Why Christians Disagree

[CoreIssue]

This is salvation by works.

accepting a gift is not work.

 

[Dave L]

accepting a gift is not work.

Accepting is a work.

 

[Taken]

7 Then the LORD God formed a man from the dust of the ground

Yep. A man, Now existing. Not yet alive or dead....but existing.

Thanks for sharing that crucial point.

Taken

 

[CoreIssue]

God choosing to save others BECAUSE he saw they would choose him (which is false) = Salvation by works.

It is therefore not salvation by grace. Conditional election is heresy.

Calvinism says it is by grace.

 

[CoreIssue]

Yep. A man, Now existing. Not yet alive or dead....but existing.

Thanks for sharing that crucial point.

Taken

No spirit and an incomplete soul.

 

[CoreIssue]

Science readily admits that it does not know certain things. But it does not jump to a conclusions. You say we don’t know so it must be god. That is illogical.

Scientists don’t say we should not be here they say we don’t know why we are here.

But they do say everything has a beginning and an end. Every effect as a cause.

The universe is an effect so what was the cause at the ultimate beginning when there was absolutely nothing, that including a cause.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

Accepting is a work.

Yep: "I was saved because I accepted..."

 

[Preacher4Truth]

Calvinism says it is by grace.

Exactly, you do too, but then deny altogether it in your conditional election heresy.

Then you add more to your error after that...

 

[Dave L]

Yep: "I was saved because I accepted..."

It always sifts down to the lowest level as being salvation by self-righteousness. And it robs God of his glory in salvation and applies it to one's own self.

 

[Enoch111]

God choosing to save others BECAUSE he saw they would choose him (which is false) = Salvation by works.

You are misrepresenting BOTH salvation by works and obedience to the Gospel.

1. What is salvation by works? The Jews had the Law of Moses, and many were trying to be saved BY THE WORKS OF THE LAW. And that is what Paul talks about and then tells us that no one will be justified by the works of the Law.
ROMANS 3
19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
20 Therefore by the deeds [WORKS] of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

2. What is obedience to the Gospel?

A. Obedience to God's commandment to repent: And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead. (Acts 17:30,31)

B. Obedience to God's commandment to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ: And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. (1 John 3:23)

And we see these teachings applied by Peter and Paul:

PETER ON REPENTANCE
Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. (Acts 2:37,38)

PAUL ON FAITH
And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. (Acts 16:30,31)

These are clear examples of obedience to the Gospel.

 

[CoreIssue]

Accepting is a work.

Nope.

The KJV New Testament Greek Lexicon
Strong's Number: 2038 Browse Lexicon
Original Word Word Origin
ejraunavw middle voice from (2041)
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Ergazomai 2:635,251
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
er-gad'-zom-ahee Verb
Definition

1. to work, labour, do work
2. to trade, to make gains by trading, "do business"
3. to do, work out
   1. exercise, perform, commit
   2. to cause to exist, produce
4. to work for, earn by working, to acquire

 

[Dave L]

Nope.

The KJV New Testament Greek Lexicon
Strong's Number: 2038 Browse Lexicon
Original Word Word Origin
ejraunavw middle voice from (2041)
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Ergazomai 2:635,251
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
er-gad'-zom-ahee Verb
Definition

1. to work, labour, do work
2. to trade, to make gains by trading, "do business"
3. to do, work out
   1. exercise, perform, commit
   2. to cause to exist, produce
4. to work for, earn by working, to acquire

“And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:” (Acts 18:27) (KJV 1900)

 

[Preacher4Truth]

You are misrepresenting BOTH salvation by works and obedience to the Gospel.

You have no clue nor do you comprehend what I said. I am "lordship salvation" in belief and am quite familiar with obedience to the Gospel, evidence of conversion, and the difference between prescriptive and descriptive texts.

Save your false assumptions and cut and paste nonsense for someone else to whom it applies

 

[Taken]

No spirit and an incomplete soul.

A complete Body, and yes, a natural spirit, and all kinds of other goodies within that body. Simply put, wonderfully made.

If there were no "natural" spirit to begin with...
..what exactly would be a "born again spirit" ?

And no, not an incomplete soul...a soul not yet given or received.

Taken

 

[Preacher4Truth]

“And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:” (Acts 18:27) (KJV 1900)

Amen.

Belief is evidence of conversion, not the cause. God caused us to be born again, not us. 1 Peter 1:3.

 

[CoreIssue]

Exactly, you do too, but then deny altogether it in your conditional election heresy.

Then you add more to your error after that...

I do not believe in conditional election.

Repent by faith by grace of Christ. That

 

[Enoch111]

Save your false assumptions and cut and paste nonsense for someone else to whom it applies

The only things I have cut and pasted are the relevant Scriptures (which is perfectly legitimate). I am not plagiarizing or using material from any other source. But since those Scriptures contradict your false gospel, they are not being gladly received. And what I have stated is NOT nonsense but God's truth from God's Word. If you will not respond to the Scriptures, then there is nothing left to be said.

 

[CoreIssue]

A complete Body, and yes, a natural spirit, and all kinds of other goodies within that body. Simply put, wonderfully made.

If there were no "natural" spirit to begin with...
..what exactly would be a "born again spirit" ?

And no, not an incomplete soul...a soul not yet given or received.

Taken

I said incomplete... no spirit and not breathing until god breathed the spirit into it.

 

[CoreIssue]

“And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:” (Acts 18:27) (KJV 1900)

27 When Apollos wanted to go to Achaia, the brothers and sisters encouraged him and wrote to the disciples there to welcome him. When he arrived, he was a great help to those who by grace had believed.
KJV error again.

 

[CoreIssue]

Time for the calvinist to return to the thread topic and stop promoting Calvinism.