Why do Catholics adore, worship and deify Mary so much?

[Pearl]

where does it say that in that verse

it says the saints and that’s all the saints

Yes including the ones alive today and living for Jesus,

 

[theefaith]

That doesn't follow logically. He spoke this to one disciple only: John. Therefore it does not apply to all disciples. He never said that Mary was the mother of all disciples.

Sola scriptura.

John represents all disciples

rev 12:17 also

a personal name like John would apply only to John like in Matt 16:18 only Peter is the rock upon which Christ builds his church

but the scripture says the disciple so it applies to all disciples

Do you suppose this verse only applies to those he was speaking to?

Matthew 16:24
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

or all disciples?

 

[theefaith]

Scripture says I AM SAV-ED... !


[QUOTE} matt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Matthew 10:22
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

Mark 13:13
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

Heb 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;

Heb 6:11 And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end:

You have been told, shown, repeatedly there is a HUGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN a BELIEVER and a CONVERTED BELIEVER.

All the Scriptures you quoted absolutely DOES apply to a BELIEVER.
All the Scriptures you quoted absolutely DOES NOT apply to a CONVERTED BELIEVER.

A BELIEVER...is a kept believer....BY HIS OWN POWER....(IF he doesn’t fall away from believing.... He SHALL RECEIVE his SALVATION WHEN HIS BODY DIES!!!
^ THAT has nothing to do with doing works...it has EVERYTHING to do with IF that man KEPT believing ... by his own power!

A CONVERTED BELIEVER...is a BELIEVER...BY GODS POWER “IN” that man....and KEPT FROM falls away....BY GODS POWER “IN” him!
THAT MAN “IS” SAVED, while alive in his natural flesh.

* WHAT do you think ...... “IN” Christ means? It means CONVERTED...
It means SAV-ED. <—- DONE, ACCOMPLISHED.
* WHAT do you think...... “CRUCIFIED” with Christ means? It mean that person HAS ALREADY GIVEN THEIR BODY unto DEATH...(they don’t wait .... until their BODY physically dies ..... HOPING they don’t lose FAITH before their body dies......to RECEIVE their SALVATION.

* THAT IS BASIC 101 of the Entire New Testament, of the Greatest Gift God SENT Jesus to OFFER to ALL men!
How do you NOT know that?

Your long list of Scriptures are WARNINGS to the Believer.....WHO IS NOT Converted....that they are IN DANGER....from wicked men and evil spirits of their world that can convince them to reject God......thus they would lose their Salvation when they physically die.

Those Scriptures HAVE NOTHING to with ME, expressly because I am Converted....already SAVED. The Following texts are examples that apply to the CONVERTED......”IN” Christ.....SAVED by FAITH.

Acts 26:
[18] To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.
1 Cor 1:
[2] Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:
1Cor.6
[11] And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
Heb.2
[11] For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren...
Heb.10
[10] By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
[14] For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
Rom 8
[1] There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 12
[5] So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.
Phil 3
[3] For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.
2 Tim 1:
[9] Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
1 John 3:
[9] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.




You keep believing and HOPE (by your own power), you endure, to your end.
That is certainly an option and choice ANYONE can make for themselves.
You keep “working” thinking that “will” SAVE you, when WORKS do not Save a man.

I will Forever Remain SAV-ED according to the WAY God Himself offered and I ACCEPTED and DID According to Gods WAY.

ONCE SAVED....ALWAYS SAVED...
John 10:
[28] And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

Thanks for revealing what applies to you. Sorry for you.[/QUOTE]

really?

believers are not even Christians but only catechumens

 

[theefaith]

* Your Opinions are clear and likely the Opinions you were taught by Catholics....However they are not verified in Scripture.

then explain how Rachel is not a spiritual mother?

 

[theefaith]

DO you NOT KNOW.....ALL Scripture is True......?
YET ALL Scripture DOES NOT APPLY to ALL individuals...?

DO you NOT KNOW....You are NOT qualified to determine which Scripture DO and DO NOT APPPLY to Other Individuals?

You are qualified to SPEAK for Yourself. You have revealed you are NOT “IN” Christ because you are waiting to be Saved. That’s you exercising your own freewill will.



Well no duh! I am SAVED, because Jesus’ Said So, AND I Choose to Trust HE IS THE TRUTH.

yes all scripture applies to all!

unless a person is named
Example Matt 16:18 only applies to Peter
He alone is the rock

 

[theefaith]

“Little children”.... are “Young in Knowledge”.
“Parents in charge of their “little children”.... teach them the TRUTH and when they leave mommy and daddy, they will BE ARMED with the TRUTH..PREPARED to make their OWN Confession of Belief and Converted.

No man can CONFESS BELIEF for an OTHER!
No man can CAUSE an other to become Converted!

Sprinkling water on a baby’s head is not Confession of Belief.
Buying a seven year old a new outfit and putting them in a scheduled ceremony display, has nothing whatsoever to do with them being mature enough to know the difference between the thoughts of their mind or the thought of their heart.

it does not say little children but you’re children

 

[theefaith]

Jesus was speaking to a specific person when he said that.

John 19:26-27
When Jesus saw his mother there, and the standing near by, he said to her, ‘Woman, here is your son,’ and to the disciple, ‘Here is your mother.’ From that time on, this disciple took her into his home.
the disciple - only one - whom he loved i.e. John

not to John but to the disciple

so is Mary John’s spiritual mother?

John represents all disciples

rev 12:17 also

a personal name like John would apply only to John like in Matt 16:18 only Peter is the rock upon which Christ builds his church

but the scripture says the disciple so it applies to all disciples

Do you suppose this verse only applies to those he was speaking to?

Matthew 16:24
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

or all disciples?

 

[theefaith]

John 1:11-13
11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.

born of God refers to baptism

 

[theefaith]

@theefaith do you never feel that you want the freedom from religion and assurance of that I have and not just me but

Yes the Church founded by Christ Jesus which includes all who love him whatever denomination. All those people who stand on the Rock which is Jesus who is the foundation of our faith. Those who not build on Jesus will be swept away like the man who built his house on sand.

peter is the rock
Only Jesus builds his church
Only those who have correct faith and baptism
No there is no assurance without religion
We must be faithful
And we owe obedience to Christ and his church

Matt 12: 40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.

 

[Taken]

Jesus was speaking to a specific person when he said that.

John 19:26-27
When Jesus saw his mother there, and the standing near by, he said to her, ‘Woman, here is your son,’ and to the disciple, ‘Here is your mother.’ From that time on, this disciple took her into his home.
the disciple - only one - whom he loved i.e. John

Yes, Jesus was preparing for departure from this Earth and leaving his Earthly mother in the care of a Trusted friend....

Oh....the scandal....LOL....Oh....how bizarre....LOL....Oh..Oh..Oh...
Lest we FORGET Jesus the TEACHER, Teaching men hey...get your affairs in order, Prepare for the care of your own, Before you physically die.

 

[theefaith]

There was only one disciple of the twelve at the cross as the others had abandoned Jesus. Even Peter who had denied knowing him. A church built on anything other than Jesus is not a true Church.

how can it be built on Jesus if he is builder?

 

[theefaith]

I'm ignoring that. You don't seem to be able to have a proper conversation, just posting a verse or two doesn't move the conversation along.

@theefaith You are really missing out. By holding so firmly to the Catholic teaching you are denying yourself the wonder and freedom of knowing Jesus in a closer and more intimate way. But it seems you would rather choose death than life in Christ. It is a life changing event. Relationship is so much better than religion any day of the week. But you have to choose it. You have to turn your back on all that has gone before and turn your life over to Jesus - repenting and receiving Jesus not into your mind but into your heart. He is knocking at the door of your heart, please let him come in to you.

Christ and his church are inseparable

even in prophecy

Isa 53 by His stripes we (the church are healed

 

[theefaith]

You're all about Mary, she can't save you only her Son can do that. She can't hear you prayers, she can't send angels to minister to you. Why would this wonderful woman not have her eternal rest? Why is she subject to the demands of people who know no difference. You should be all about Jesus,
Hebrews 5:9
In this way, God qualified him as a perfect High Priest, and he became the source of eternal salvation for all those who obey him.
To learn to obey Him we need to follow him,

I give you the example of Esther

 

[theefaith]

Yes including the ones alive today and living for Jesus,

yes all those who are in communion with Christ can pray and intercede

the communion of saints

 

[theefaith]

It’s Ash Wednesday
40 to prepare for the passion death and resurrection of Christ

 

[Taken]

really?

believers are not even Christians but only catechumens

The very definition of “catechumens” is an oxymoron...


Catechumens; a Christian catholic convert under instruction before baptism.

* A Conversion IS the Lords Work of Baptism of the Holy Spirit!

 

[Taken]

then explain how Rachel is not a spiritual mother?

Why ask me to explain what are neither my words nor your words?
Weird.

 

[Taken]

yes all scripture applies to all!

Must be confusing for you, when the Scripture speaks of a good king and a wicked king..... or a woman and a man......or of the converted and unconverted.....and you think that ALL Scripture Applies to you!

 

[Taken]

it does not say little children but you’re children

Little children and children are not the same things.
Unlearned and Wise are not the same things.

 

[Pearl]

it says the saints and that’s all the saints

Yes living and dead and not necessarily those canonized by the Vatican.