Why do we need born again

[Eternally Grateful]

That is not true. Physical death was an integral part of the creation. One of the trees in the garden was the Tree of Life. The fruit from that tree prevented Adam and Eve from dying. That is the reason that Adam and Ever were ejected from the Garden and a guard was placed there to keep anyone from entering.

Gen 3:22 Then the LORD God said, "Behold, the man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil. Now, lest he reach out his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat, and live forever--"

If death was not inherent in the creation, there would have been no need at all for the Tree of Life in the Garden.

Actually, there is nothing physical that was created to last forever. Everything in the entire universe is subject in one way or another to come to some sort of ending.

God took them out of the garden, because in there fallen state they could have eaten of that tree and lived forever.

 

[JBO]

God took them out of the garden, because in there fallen state they could have eaten of that tree and lived forever.

If it was their fallen state which caused their deaths, then why was the Tree of Life in the garden? If they were physically immortal, there would have been no need for the Tree of Life. There would have been no reason for it to be there in the first place.

 

[bro.tan]

lol

You continue to earn your way to heaven

I will continue to trust God to keep his promise based on the cross.


Just remember, Many in that day will come to Jesus professing all their good works in his name. And he will say depart for he never knew you

Paul concerning the unchangeable Royal Law of God. (Rom. 13:7-10) (v.7) Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour. (v.8) Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. That’s the biblical definition of love, the keeping of God’s law. (v.9) For this, THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, THOU SHALT NOT KILL, THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS, THOU SHALT NOT COVET; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR AS THYSELF. (v.10) Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

And that is what God’s holy commandments are all about; the first four tells you how to love God and the last six tells you how to love your neighbor. If you love your God you will not do any thing to offend him, like having other gods before him. You will do as he says like remember the sabbath day to keep it holy on the seventh day of the week. If you love him you will obey him when he tells you not to eat certain meats etc… And the same goes for your fellow man, if you love your neighbor you wouldn’t steal from him, you wouldn’t kill him, you wouldn’t try and sleep with his wife and so on and so forth. (See exodus 20: 1-17)

This is God’s definition of love and it is perfect in its ways. The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: The testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple. The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: The commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes. 9 The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: The judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether. More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: Sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb. Moreover by them is thy servant warned: And in keeping of them there is great reward. (Psalm 19: 7-11)

So if you say that you know God, but you don’t keep his commandments, lets see what the Lord had specially written for you.

(1John 2:3-4) (v.3) And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. (v.4) he that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

 

[bro.tan]

Same old nonsense about Original Sin. No, we don't die physically or spiritually because of Adam. We die physically because that is the way we were created. We die spiritually because we sin.

Read that to me out of the Bible.

 

[JBO]

Read that to me out of the Bible.

Now, lest he reach out his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat, and live forever-- therefore the LORD God sent him out from the garden of Eden to work the ground from which he was taken. (Gen 3:22-230.

the soul who sins shall die (Ezek 18:4).

The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself (Ezek 18:20).

and so death spread to all men because all sinned-- (Rom 5:12)

so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men. (Rom 5:18).

so by the one man's obedience the many will be made righteous (Rom 5:19).

 

[bro.tan]

Now, lest he reach out his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat, and live forever-- therefore the LORD God sent him out from the garden of Eden to work the ground from which he was taken. (Gen 3:22-230.

the soul who sins shall die (Ezek 18:4).

The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself (Ezek 18:20).

and so death spread to all men because all sinned-- (Rom 5:12)

so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men. (Rom 5:18).

so by the one man's obedience the many will be made righteous (Rom 5:19).

All true scriptures and verses. Some people don't understand or know that the Bible talks about two death. And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: (Hebrews 9: 27) and in Revelation 21: 8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

And those are conditions of Sins and leads to death, even the second death, because Paul says in Romans 6: 23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

 

[Ritajanice]

Here is the thread about why we need to be Born Again @Rella @Red Baker @JBO @Scott Downey .....maybe we can carry on this discussion in here...as in the difference between a Christian and a Born Again.

Rather than take the other thread off topic.

Christian is obviously Gods word as is Born Again...the two have different meanings...if they were the same then God would have said so...he didn’t?

Man has added their own words and called us Born Again Christians....

Whereas God only calls us Born Again of imperishable seed?..or Born of God, Born of the Spirit, Spirit gives birth to spirit, etc,etc..

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

Here is the thread about why we need to be Born Again @Rella @Red Baker @JBO @Scott Downey .....maybe we can carry on this discussion in here...as in the difference between a Christian and a Born Again.

Rather than take the other thread off topic.

Christian is obviously Gods word as is Born Again...the two have different meanings...if they were the same then God would have said so...he didn’t?

Man has added their own words and called us Born Again Christians....

Whereas God only calls us Born Again of imperishable seed?..or Born of God, Born of the Spirit, Spirit gives birth to spirit, etc,etc..

Well, I also started a thread, dedicated to only this subject or born again and christian

Shall I delete mine.?

Bible Study Forum

www.christianityboard.com

 

[Ritajanice]

Well, I also started a thread, dedicated to only this subject or born again and christian

Shall I delete mine.?

Bible Study Forum

www.christianityboard.com

Keep yours going Rella, I will join it soon.

 

[Bob Estey]

We are Spiritually dead

we are dead because of our sinfulness. (the wage of sin is death)

God on the mountain Gave Moses ten commands, and we can not even keep these. (although many think they can)

All of this sin separates us from God. Because God is a holy God and he can not relate with sin. This barrier between God and man is called spiritual death

How bad is our situation?

The levitical priesthood,

Only a high priest could enter Gods presence. God would enter the most holy place in the temple. and only once a year could this high priest come to make atonement for everyone's sin for the past year. and only after numerous innocent without blemish animals shed their blood


There was a problem with this though, He could only cover the sins for the past year of the people. The people went out and still sinned, even those who walked with God. So the next year, Every year, the high priest had to again on the day of atonement do the same things, Sacrifice animals and send the scapegoat out into the wilderness where it would die.

The law had two purposes (it had another but that is for Israel).

1. Expose our guilt - Cursed is the one who does not obey every word , It required perfection. this is one way to get to heaven, Never sin a day in your life. even one sin, James said if we stumble in one area. we are guilty,

2. Show us the payment for that guilt - innocent unblemished animals had to die (year after year)

Paul said the law was a tutor to lead us to Christ.

John called Jesus the “lamb of God would would take the sin of the world”

The jews were not ready, they thought because they kept the law they were ok.. They thought doing all of their works of the law (keeping the sabbath, getting circumcised, Keeping all of the ceremonies of the law, not eating certain meats etc etc) so when Jesus came and said they needed saved, they did what most people who think they have worked hard all their lives to please God would do. They got mad and killed him.

God came to remove the sin issue. The leviticus priesthood was insufficient, as it had to go in year after year.. Jesus however, came once and solved the sin issue for all time. No more were animals sacrificed required year after year for future sin, because he died once and sat down by the right hand of God. Being a far superior High priest. Under the order of Melchizedek.

The problem of sin separating us from God is taken away, Paul said he took it away and nailed it to the cross (col 2) .

Jesus said if we look to the cross. That solution (redemption) can apply to us. He will not force it on us, He wants us to take it. But in order to do this we must repent, and trust him.

Once we do this, the sin issue is removed, we who were dead in trespasses and sin are made alive, because the thing that made is dead is redeemed by the blood of the lamb.

This new birth is forever, Jesus calls it eternal life.

Jesus made us right, We can not do it by being baptized, or trying our best to be good (we will never be good enough) or by any other works..

He did the work for us

Ye must be born again, This is not a request, this is a command.

Hope this helps everyone understand why we need born aagian, and what God did so this can be possible.

We've all sinned. We all need to repent of our sin.

 

[David in NJ]

We are Spiritually dead

we are dead because of our sinfulness. (the wage of sin is death)

God on the mountain Gave Moses ten commands, and we can not even keep these. (although many think they can)

All of this sin separates us from God. Because God is a holy God and he can not relate with sin. This barrier between God and man is called spiritual death

How bad is our situation?

The levitical priesthood,

Only a high priest could enter Gods presence. God would enter the most holy place in the temple. and only once a year could this high priest come to make atonement for everyone's sin for the past year. and only after numerous innocent without blemish animals shed their blood


There was a problem with this though, He could only cover the sins for the past year of the people. The people went out and still sinned, even those who walked with God. So the next year, Every year, the high priest had to again on the day of atonement do the same things, Sacrifice animals and send the scapegoat out into the wilderness where it would die.

The law had two purposes (it had another but that is for Israel).

1. Expose our guilt - Cursed is the one who does not obey every word , It required perfection. this is one way to get to heaven, Never sin a day in your life. even one sin, James said if we stumble in one area. we are guilty,

2. Show us the payment for that guilt - innocent unblemished animals had to die (year after year)

Paul said the law was a tutor to lead us to Christ.

John called Jesus the “lamb of God would would take the sin of the world”

The jews were not ready, they thought because they kept the law they were ok.. They thought doing all of their works of the law (keeping the sabbath, getting circumcised, Keeping all of the ceremonies of the law, not eating certain meats etc etc) so when Jesus came and said they needed saved, they did what most people who think they have worked hard all their lives to please God would do. They got mad and killed him.

God came to remove the sin issue. The leviticus priesthood was insufficient, as it had to go in year after year.. Jesus however, came once and solved the sin issue for all time. No more were animals sacrificed required year after year for future sin, because he died once and sat down by the right hand of God. Being a far superior High priest. Under the order of Melchizedek.

The problem of sin separating us from God is taken away, Paul said he took it away and nailed it to the cross (col 2) .

Jesus said if we look to the cross. That solution (redemption) can apply to us. He will not force it on us, He wants us to take it. But in order to do this we must repent, and trust him.

Once we do this, the sin issue is removed, we who were dead in trespasses and sin are made alive, because the thing that made is dead is redeemed by the blood of the lamb.

This new birth is forever, Jesus calls it eternal life.

Jesus made us right, We can not do it by being baptized, or trying our best to be good (we will never be good enough) or by any other works..

He did the work for us

Ye must be born again, This is not a request, this is a command.

Hope this helps everyone understand why we need born aagian, and what God did so this can be possible.

We need to be Born-Again because we had no choice in the first birth.