Why doesn't your "whole Bible view" include Universalism?

[St. SteVen]

But we read of plenty of people who met Jesus when He was here on earth, and still hated Him. The chief priests, many of the scribes and Pharisees, for example.

True, but I differentiate between seeing Jesus in a public scene and having an encounter with Jesus.
Zacchaeus comes to mind. (Luke 19) Jesus called him out specifically.

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[St. SteVen]

There are plenty who consistently refuse the prompting of the Spirit though the Spirit tries repeatedly to break through throughout their lifetime....and then there are those like Judas who abandon their hope and betray the Lord who saved them. The scripture collectively calls them 'The World'

Sure.
They may not come to a renewed relationship in this lifetime. (which requires faith)
In the afterlife, faith is not needed. The truth will be right in front of them.
How will they respond then?

Revelation 6:15-17 speak of this crowd. They would rather die than face the lamb.

'Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and everyone else, both slave and free, hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains. 16 They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us[f] from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17 For the great day of their[g] wrath has come, and who can withstand it?

They are in great fear. But that will not prevent a meeting with the Lord.

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[St. SteVen]

Oh yes, they knew Jesus alright and as the scripture says, 'they hated him without a cause' John 15:25

I differentiate between knowing who Jesus is and knowing Him on a personal level.
And my claim is a generalization. FOR THE MOST PART...
Anyone who claims to hate Jesus hasn't met Him yet.

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[St. SteVen]

...and to add personal experience, I know folk from my younger years that were fervent and on fire for the Gospel. I shared house with them for years. Today, I report with sadness, most have abandoned their hope. The concerns of life and status; the pursuit of riches and pleasures of this world have seduced them. Some shun me because of my testimony of Jesus while others are dismissive of the subject.
They have known the Man just like Judas. They had received the Spirit just like Judas who was given the gift of healing the sick and raising the dead.....and yet with all this knowledge and evidence, they abandoned their high calling.

Do you think God has given up on those lost sheep?

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[St. SteVen]

What are God's intentions for humankind?

- Annihilate the vast majority?
- Redeem the whole human race?

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[soberxp]

3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Should not perish? How you interpret this sentence determines how you interpret the entire Bible.

My understanding is this,
that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, here is not must not perish, but should not.

Because man has not learned nor eaten the fruit of the tree of life,
All the actions of human beings in this world will lead to the perish of this world, including human beings themselves.

So when the day of perish comes, do you think the human race has been punished.
If understood in this way, whether God's salvation is the development of another thread is a different thread from the human punishment.

Go figure out it.

 

[quietthinker]

Do you think God has given up on those lost sheep?

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They give up on God....just as Judas did. God doesn't force their hand (choices)

 

[quietthinker]

Sure.
They may not come to a renewed relationship in this lifetime. (which requires faith)
In the afterlife, faith is not needed. The truth will be right in front of them.
How will they respond then?

They are in great fear. But that will not prevent a meeting with the Lord.

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Jesus in kindness never appeared to any of his crucifiers after the resurrection. Their hearts and most likely their bowels would have given way as did Ananias and Saphira's

 

[St. SteVen]

So when the day of perish comes, do you think the human race has been punished.
If understood in this way, whether God's salvation is the development of another thread is a different thread from the human punishment.

Christ paid the death penalty for all of humankind on the cross.

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[St. SteVen]

They give up on God....just as Judas did. God doesn't force their hand (choices)

That is another common fallacy, I believe. That human will supplants God's will.

The view of the "Gentleman God" who honors human will above His own.

"The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward [a]us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance." - 2 Peter 3:9 NKJV In regards to "free-will", I have often heard the argument that God, being the gentleman...

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[Behold]

To be clear, it is a view of the final judgement in which the goal is accountability, restoration and redemption.

Redemtion happens before you die, or you'll never be redeemed.
You must be born again, (forgiven all sin)...or you will not go to Heaven.
Unforgiven sinners, who "die in their sins" do not go to Heaven, they go to their Father, and "hell was created for the devil and His angels".

Satanic "universalism" teaches that you dont have to be born again or forgiven your sin, before you die......... and you will still go to Heaven.

This is a Cross denying Theology, a false Gospel, = that is of the devil.

Of what ultimate good is it to either destroy, or torment forever, those in need of accountability, restoration and redemption?

Redemption is for everyone who will choose to go to Heaven, by trusting in Christ, before you die, so that you may be born again.

If you choose to not do this, then you chose John 3:36, and you died as a Christ rejector, and you will be eternally jusdged for this unpardonable sin.

You can't be born again in Hell.

 

[St. SteVen]

Redemption is for everyone who will choose to go to Heaven, by trusting in Christ, before you die, so that you may be born again.

If you choose to not do this, then you chose John 3:36, and you died as a Christ rejector, and you will be eternally jusdged for this unpardonable sin.

Countless billions have gone to the afterlife with no knowledge whatsoever of Jesus Christ.

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[quietthinker]

That is another common fallacy, I believe. That human will supplants God's will.

The view of the "Gentleman God" who honors human will above His own.

"The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward [a]us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance." - 2 Peter 3:9 NKJV In regards to "free-will", I have often heard the argument that God, being the gentleman...

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Wasn't it the case with Adam and Eve?

 

[St. SteVen]

Wasn't it the case with Adam and Eve?

That's a good question, thanks.
Did human will supplant God's will in the case of Adam and Eve? (the Fall)

God planted the tree of the knowledge of good and evil in the center of the garden.
What was God's will?

Adam and Eve were obedient to God's command not to eat thereof.
What was God's will?

God "allowed" a deceiver to approach A&E, without warning it seems.
What was God's will?

A&E fell for the deception and ate thereof.
What was God's will?

Did human will supplant God's will in the case of Adam and Eve? (the Fall)

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[quietthinker]

That's a good question, thanks.
Did human will supplant God's will in the case of Adam and Eve? (the Fall)

God planted the tree of the knowledge of good and evil in the center of the garden.
What was God's will?

Adam and Eve were obedient to God's command not to eat thereof.
What was God's will?

God "allowed" a deceiver to approach A&E, without warning it seems.
What was God's will?

A&E fell for the deception and ate thereof.
What was God's will?

Did human will supplant God's will in the case of Adam and Eve? (the Fall)

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Love is vulnerable. It allows the will of the other in the pursuit of freedom...to its own hurt. Calvary is evidence of that.
Man's will for his own destiny superseded God's will and as warned, death resulted.

Now there are those today who uphold the serpents lie, 'you will not surely die'
Convoluted and contradictory arguments are stitched together to this end.

We align the God of Jesus with the Pagan gods of history when we argue that omnipotence can not be resisted.

 

[Jack]

Two Bible attackers agreeing with each other. Imagine that!

 

[St. SteVen]

We align the God of Jesus with the Pagan gods of history when we argue that omnipotence can not be resisted.

Even in the afterlife where there can be no doubts?

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[Behold]

Countless billions have gone to the afterlife with no knowledge whatsoever of Jesus Christ.

You are always looking for some false reason to try to prove that everyone is saved in the end.
You'll find out that didnt happen.
You must be born again before you die, otherwide you've died in your sins, and have committed the unpardonable sin.
You can't be born again in Hell.


Also....Yes, before the Cross, billions had no idea of it.
But now..

Jesus said....>"if i be lifted up (on The Cross), i will Draw ALL people to me".

He's doing it right now.
Sometimes thru a Preacher, sometimes through the beauty and wonder of Creation......sometimes through a book, a movie, .......sometimes a personal appearance.

The Holy Spirit is always able to use whatever He needs, to open a Heart to God.......and God takes it from there once the person places THEIR Faith......in Christ.

The Best Christian i have ever known.......came to faith in Christ watching "Jesus of Nazareth" the movie.

 

[amigo de christo]

What are God's intentions for humankind?

- Annihilate the vast majority?
- Redeem the whole human race?

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Well rather than assuming lets look at what WAS AND IS HIS PLAN .
For it pleased the Father that by preaching to save those who BELEIVE .
Keep on trying to preach that harlots inclusivity and it will cost you dearly at your end .
Enough with this stuff .
JESUS saves . SO WHAT WE NEEDS TO DO is exactly what HE DID
and later the apostels did . ANY GUESSES On what that was
PREACHED THE DIRE NEED TO BELIEVE ON HIM .
You have done massive injury and great insult unto the CHRIST of GOD and HIS gospel .
IF i were you i would repent asap and start preaching WHAT ACTUALLY DOES SAVE ONE .
Or prepare to weep like never before on HIS DAY .

 

[amigo de christo]

You are always looking for some false reason to try to prove that everyone is saved in the end.
You'll find out that didnt happen.
You must be born again before you die, otherwide you've died in your sins, and have committed the unpardonable sin.
You can't be born again in Hell.


Also....Yes, before the Cross, billions had no idea of it.
But now..

Jesus said....>"if i be lifted up (on The Cross), i will Draw ALL people to me".

He's doing it right now.
Sometimes thru a Preacher, sometimes through Creation......sometimes through a book, a movie, .......sometimes a personal appearance.

that man has no ceased to try and continously give out false hope .
Let me ask you something .
What did JESUS teach
and later what did the apostels go around teaching .
CAUSE IT DARN SURE AINT what so called saint steven teaches .
THEY ALL preached the absolute DIRE NEED TO BELIEVE ON JESUS to BE SAVED .
Have you heard him saying this
or rather always he goes around trying to offer up some other kind of hope . exactly .