Why doesn't your "whole Bible view" include Universalism?

[Rockerduck]

I don't connect Holy Spirit baptism as prerequisite to being in the Elect. It's a separate issue. IMO
I think there are many in the Elect who don't have the baptism with the Holy Spirit.
I agree that one has to be part of the Elect to receive the baptism with the Holy Spirit.
(though it could happen in reverse order)


Universalism is the plan for those whom God did not choose to be part of the original Elect.
In Christ all will be made alive. But each in turn...

1 Corinthians 15:22-24 NIV
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.
23 But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.
24 Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father
after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power.

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First, I did not mention baptism of anything because that confuses people. I interpret 1 Corinthians 15:22-24
"each in turn" is Christ, then those who belong to Him. Just that order, nobody else, but first Christ, 2nd, His chosen.

 

[St. SteVen]

First, I did not mention baptism of anything because that confuses people. I interpret 1 Corinthians 15:22-24
"each in turn" is Christ, then those who belong to Him. Just that order, nobody else, but first Christ, 2nd, His chosen.

I agree that it presents a weak case but still the beginning phrase should inform the whole.

In Christ all will be made alive. But each in turn...

1 Corinthians 15:22-24 NIV
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.
23 But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.
24 Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father
after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power.
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[St. SteVen]

First, I did not mention baptism of anything because that confuses people.

I think we need to connect Pentecost to the baptism with the Holy Spirit, because Jesus did.
It is a subsequent experience to the indwelling.

Acts 1:4-5 NIV
On one occasion, while he was eating with them, he gave them this command:
“Do not leave Jerusalem, but wait for the gift my Father promised, which you have heard me speak about.
5 For John baptized with[a] water, but in a few days you will be baptized with[b] the Holy Spirit.”

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[St. SteVen]

First, I did not mention baptism of anything because that confuses people.

I agree that it can be confusing.
How do you explain it?

Are you saying that the churches are full of believers that do not have the indwelling Holy Spirit?

I think there are many who have the indwelling Holy Spirit, but were lied to concerning the manifestations of the Spirit.
The church told them that the manifestations of the Spirit are not for today. And that those who claim to manifest are lying.
In fact they claim those people have a demon controlling them.

Jesus told us that the unforgivable sin was to attribute the work of God to the devil.

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[Rockerduck]

I explain it this way. You received the Holy Spirit now be baptized in water. Its Confusing when you say, You received the baptism of the Holy Spirit now be baptized in water. Some take that as a condition of salvation. So, it's best to say, if Jesus saved you, follow through with water baptism. As far as Christians, only God knows, but you shall know them by their fruit. I know a Christian man, active in church. His young son died, then he became an atheist. He was never a Christian. So, yes, the Churches have many like that in the congregations.

 

[St. SteVen]

I explain it this way. You received the Holy Spirit now be baptized in water. Its Confusing when you say, You received the baptism of the Holy Spirit now be baptized in water. Some take that as a condition of salvation. So, it's best to say, if Jesus saved you, follow through with water baptism. As far as Christians, only God knows, but you shall know them by their fruit. I know a Christian man, active in church. His young son died, then he became an atheist. He was never a Christian. So, yes, the Churches have many like that in the congregations.

I find it interesting that our life experience informs our theology and doctrines.
You and I are different in both respects.

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[Behold]

What happens if your "a whole Bible view" includes my scriptures rather than dismisses them? - Then what?

Implying that a demonic gospel "universalism" is a "whole bible view"... is not related to Truth or correct NT Theology.

See, Jesus on The Cross, is Salvation, and God offers this Redemption Universally........but God only eternally applies it to one believer at a time.

So, a person is SAVED... only when they BELIEVE, and not before., as Faith in Christ, = while you are alive, is required by God before He will apply to you, what Jesus has "finished" on The Cross for us all.

Salvation...is "Justificaton by FAITH"....in Christ.......and you have to do that.....You have to BELIEVE....before you die.