Why don’t you believe Satan has been defeated?

[stunnedbygrace]

Right, the whole earth - the whole economy of people in that area, now as mentioned earlier it suggested that KJV - said that whole world. That would be a different interoperation all together, in someone just reading that would think, oh the whole world at large. Just little side issues happen a lot throughout scriptures, Stunned.

What side issues? Every place scripture doesn’t agree with your unsystematic theology, you completely change what the English language means and conveys. It’s quite bizarre.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

The works of the Devil still are here, Satan is powerful in this world, as Jesus pointed out about this world ?
Carnal man is corrupt and the best that he can become is 666 that is one short of 777. to become 777 you need a Saviour.
When Jesus was talking to the Devil ? what happened at the end ? Jesus just dismissed the Devil ? So the Devil had no power over Jesus.
Now when be truly become born again we can just dismiss the works of the Devil as Jesus did because we know his workings and understand such, so the temper can not get a foot hold in his deceptions and delusions do not cut it with one.
A carnal person has no hope at all against the works of the Devil, because such a one is Lost ! one abides in this world only.

Jesus defeated the Devil, but see how he did such ? we can do the same if we are truly born again, that's the power of the Holy Spirit, such gives Light.

Jesus kicked down the door say, for all to enter into the Light but the darkness still exist in this world, so for one has to enter into the Kingdom of God !
And see the list of all who can not enter into the Kingdom of God ? well they can not enter because they are not worthy, for they are of this world and love the darkness.
The Darkness gives them power over others ? so they can feed off others and this feeds their ego's. so they look at how high can they position themselves on the Dun heap.

 

[Phoneman777]

#124 <- click this for some consideration on Revelation 13 - (Now Completed)

Don’t get me wrong I understand that most believe that revelation is not completed yet, but if you would consider the contents and context of that book at written to 7 churches in Asia Minor, and that things were soon to come shortly to pass, why is it most Christian churches today continue to repeat that Yeshua is still coming back today, 2000 years later?

Why is it people don’t accept it as the truth of a coming to pass for them in that area and time? Some say John wrote many years after the destruction of Jerusalem, but then why doesn’t the revelation John write say “and don’t be like those who had fallen in Jerusalem”, or why doesn’t it say this is “for a future generation”.

Do not get me wrong I love you either way even if your a futurist but think for yourself for a moment, what is your hope in?

Is it in the destruction of everything you know now that is around you for Jesus to come back and vindicate for you on your behalf when the contents and context of the Bible almost always from Genesis to About Acts maybe 5? Is dealing with the nation of Israel upon until Paul shows up and goes out to the gentiles but also writes to a Jewish audience as well?

It’s hard for me to understand why people continue to believe that Satan is still around when he was a key player while the Law was intact but the Law is gone, it was done away with, the Law was given to Jewish people not Gentiles but people act as though sometimes they need to obey the Law given from Moses to the Israelites: it is useful but only useful to bring people to Christ.

So why is you don’t believe this?

“And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭20:10‬ ‭NIV‬‬
Revelation 20:10

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A friend asked this question:

I can't believe 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 KJV - said to be the LOUDEST verse in all the Bible - was fulfilled locally in Jerusalem during the first or second century. I mean, can we really argue the "heavens departed as a scroll" and "every island fled away" and all that other Earth-shattering events that will accompany the coming of Jesus happened?

Surely, the greatest event to ever take place in the universe - the final deliverance of the Saints and the destruction of all wicked - is not something to be spiritualized into just a local, historically undocumented, wholly unnoticed fulfillment in the late first century?

 

[MatthewG]

What side issues? Every place scripture doesn’t agree with your unsystematic theology, you completely change what the English language means and conveys. It’s quite bizarre.

My friend,

As encouraged before, and stated before - the Bible was never written in English for a long time. And people who are scholars I guess I could consider myself one to some degree, enjoy going backwards in time and looking at what Hebrew words mean, and greek words mean because that is literally the area that the whole economy at that time lived in and knew and understood. Paul learned greek, he went to the gentiles, for example. These guys were pretty smart people, John also for example. It is really interesting to know these little tid-bits of information to help one at least understand who they were, and what they did, and how they had written and all of these things.

 

[MatthewG]

I can't believe 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 KJV - said to be the LOUDEST verse in all the Bible - was fulfilled locally in Jerusalem during the first or second century. I mean, can we really argue the "heavens departed as a scroll" and "every island fled away" and all that other Earth-shattering events that will accompany the coming of Jesus happened?

Surely, the greatest event to ever take place in the universe - the final deliverance of the Saints and the destruction of all wicked - is not something to be spiritualized into just a local, historically undocumented, wholly unnoticed fulfillment in the late first century?

Hello Phoneman777,

That is fine, thank you for sharing this with the group.

I will say this, one day we will be with the Lord, when we die, so keep focused on him, keep sharing with your friends and families and pray for all of us brother.

(I would say otherwise but as it stands I am not here to make anyone adhere to my own view) everyone is unique and in their own place of understanding.

Love is what prevails.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

My friend,

As encouraged before, and stated before - the Bible was never written in English for a long time. And people who are scholars I guess I could consider myself one to some degree, enjoy going backwards in time and looking at what Hebrew words mean, and greek words mean because that is literally the area that the whole economy at that time lived in and knew and understood. Paul learned greek, he went to the gentiles, for example. These guys were pretty smart people, John also for example. It is really interesting to know these little tid-bits of information to help one at least understand who they were, and what they did, and how they had written and all of these things.

Yeah, well I doubt that Israel believed when God said the whole world or all the earth that He meant only the small portion of the land of Israel.

 

[MatthewG]

I am not asking you to accept my view. You may freely believe and think and choose on your own accord my friend.

May God guide, love, understanding, and patience prevail in the name of the Lord Yeshua Christ.

It doesn't matter what one thinks about the other as far as their "beliefs" - or "understanding" what matters always at the end of the day can we love each other despite the differences. :)

 

[Taken]

Why don’t you believe Satan has been defeated?
OP^

When God declares, it’s already a done deal.
When God declares, it is man who has the knowledge, but waits to see it manifested.

Sort of like a movie. It has an author, screen writer, who knows what FOR SURE will happen, yet the audience has not yet seen it manifested.

Christ Jesus’ Kingdom is NOT ON EARTH.
Christ Jesus’ Kingdom SHALL BE Manifested ON Earth for men to see.
For 1,000 years Christ with HIS saints shall rule the Earth.
Christ shall be KING of kings, LORD of lords.
~ the kings and lords shall be kings and lords of their individual NATIONS, all being established outside of Christ’s Kingdom.
~ Those kings and lords shall pilgrimage yearly to Jerusalem, Hear the Word of God, rule their Nations according to the Word of God.
~ Over the course of generations, those Nations shall prosper, and without the influence of Satan, begin seating kings, enjoying their comforts, luxuries, and start falling away from ruling their Nations according to the Word of God.
~ After 1,000 years, Satan is loosed, mingles with the Nations, convince them to MAKE WAR AGAINST Jesus’ KINGDOM.
~ That two edge sword of Christ’ Jesus, quickly defeats the Nations.
~ Then Spiritual WARFARE between Demonic and Angelic Angels takes place...THEN IS IT MANIFESTED that SATAN is DEFEATED, and NOT simply bound in Hell, but Sent to the bottomless PIT, where NO Escape thereafter shall be afforded Fallen Angels...tormented forever separated from God.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[MatthewG]

The works of the Devil still are here, Satan is powerful in this world, as Jesus pointed out about this world ?
Carnal man is corrupt and the best that he can become is 666 that is one short of 777. to become 777 you need a Saviour.
When Jesus was talking to the Devil ? what happened at the end ? Jesus just dismissed the Devil ? So the Devil had no power over Jesus.
Now when be truly become born again we can just dismiss the works of the Devil as Jesus did because we know his workings and understand such, so the temper can not get a foot hold in his deceptions and delusions do not cut it with one.
A carnal person has no hope at all against the works of the Devil, because such a one is Lost ! one abides in this world only.

Jesus defeated the Devil, but see how he did such ? we can do the same if we are truly born again, that's the power of the Holy Spirit, such gives Light.

Jesus kicked down the door say, for all to enter into the Light but the darkness still exist in this world, so for one has to enter into the Kingdom of God !
And see the list of all who can not enter into the Kingdom of God ? well they can not enter because they are not worthy, for they are of this world and love the darkness.
The Darkness gives them power over others ? so they can feed off others and this feeds their ego's. so they look at how high can they position themselves on the Dun heap.

Interesting perspective, Reggie, thank you for taking time to share.

 

[teamventure]

You mean Satan's gone and we' ve all been fighting for nothing?
Alright, War is over we can all go home now. Lol.

 

[MatthewG]

You mean Satan's gone and we' ve all been fighting for nothing?
Alright, War is over we can all go home now. Lol.

Teamventure, some people out there in the Christian Culture - fight against social ills, and political structures in the name of Christ and I find it bizarre because what use is there fighting the world which John describes as - the pride of life, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes?

What use is it to really fight the world - some even say that are fighting Satan who is in control of the world now or whatever - when we came to Christ doesn't it seem we have peace from God, from the sent Comforter? Why do we let the world terrify us and scare us as though, God will come back and destroy half the earths population when it all pertained to the nation of Israel in the first place if one honestly considers the contents and context of the Bible.

There is no purpose to fight the world - and its social ills and the political standards - as some people have mentioned before I heard in life - the War we do fight is in the mind or the heart. It would seem when we come to Christ and truly learn from him, and rest in him, and have hope in the eternal prospects of the eternity we should find spiritual rest though while we are here on this earth we are overcoming those Dark things mentioned to you earlier in my first post to you...

It is a strange world we do live but I love the people in it, not so much the world itself because it is going to do what it is going to do, and some people follow after the ways of this world, while some choose to follow the ways of the Spirit.

Any thoughts on these things?

 

[MatthewG]

Why don’t you believe Satan has been defeated?
OP^

When God declares, it’s already a done deal.
When God declares, it is man who has the knowledge, but waits to see it manifested.

Sort of like a movie. It has an author, screen writer, who knows what FOR SURE will happen, yet the audience has not yet seen it manifested.

Christ Jesus’ Kingdom is NOT ON EARTH.
Christ Jesus’ Kingdom SHALL BE Manifested ON Earth for men to see.
For 1,000 years Christ with HIS saints shall rule the Earth.
Christ shall be KING of kings, LORD of lords.
~ the kings and lords shall be kings and lords of their individual NATIONS, all being established outside of Christ’s Kingdom.
~ Those kings and lords shall pilgrimage yearly to Jerusalem, Hear the Word of God, rule their Nations according to the Word of God.
~ Over the course of generations, those Nations shall prosper, and without the influence of Satan, begin seating kings, enjoying their comforts, luxuries, and start falling away from ruling their Nations according to the Word of God.
~ After 1,000 years, Satan is loosed, mingles with the Nations, convince them to MAKE WAR AGAINST Jesus’ KINGDOM.
~ That two edge sword of Christ’ Jesus, quickly defeats the Nations.
~ Then Spiritual WARFARE between Demonic and Angelic Angels takes place...THEN IS IT MANIFESTED that SATAN is DEFEATED, and NOT simply bound in Hell, but Sent to the bottomless PIT, where NO Escape thereafter shall be afforded Fallen Angels...tormented forever separated from God.

Glory to God,
Taken

Thank you for freely posting what you believe out here on the thread Taken, there is only one question I would ask you but I won't. I am recalled to remember that this forum is freely used by many different thousands of people or so, that come by and share, and are seeking to learn and all of that.

What is recalled is that we are to love people despite what people may believe or not believe about what the Bible says and states and that just now had reoccured to me as of starting to repost.

God desires for us to love our fellow human beings no matter who they are, and love them for who they are, even if they don't believe the exact same way, we do have one thing we can agree on and that is the fact that the Lord Yeshua Christ, died, was buried and raised again to new life - and we to go with him to die to our old ways, bury them, and raise again to new life to have love by the spirit of Christ that lives with-in us.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Why do we let the world terrify us and scare us as though, God will come back and destroy half the earths population when it all pertained to the nation of Israel in the first place if one honestly considers the contents and context of the Bible.

There’s the passive aggression again. You have just said if one doesn’t arrive at your view that all scripture has been fulfilled and we are now just waiting for death and the whole earth in scripture means only Jerusalem (to just name a few of your stated beliefs) then we have not honestly dealt with scripture.

 

[Ziggy]

Teamventure, some people out there in the Christian Culture - fight against social ills, and political structures in the name of Christ and I find it bizarre because what use is there fighting the world which John describes as - the pride of life, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes?

What use is it to really fight the world - some even say that are fighting Satan who is in control of the world now or whatever - when we came to Christ doesn't it seem we have peace from God, from the sent Comforter? Why do we let the world terrify us and scare us as though, God will come back and destroy half the earths population when it all pertained to the nation of Israel in the first place if one honestly considers the contents and context of the Bible.

There is no purpose to fight the world - and its social ills and the political standards - as some people have mentioned before I heard in life - the War we do fight is in the mind or the heart. It would seem when we come to Christ and truly learn from him, and rest in him, and have hope in the eternal prospects of the eternity we should find spiritual rest though while we are here on this earth we are overcoming those Dark things mentioned to you earlier in my first post to you...

It is a strange world we do live but I love the people in it, not so much the world itself because it is going to do what it is going to do, and some people follow after the ways of this world, while some choose to follow the ways of the Spirit.

Any thoughts on these things?

I know this post wasn't directed at me brother, but that is our calling.
Who had more peace, or who had more comfort than Jesus himself?
And yet he went right up to the Priests and Saduccees and Pharisees and confronted them face to face.

The purpose for calling out social ills and political structures is to show them that they are in err of their ways and they need to change directions.
We don't go into the world to fight it, but through the gospel to save it.
The workman is worthy of his meat.

The world will keep doing what's it's doing until it is confronted and repents.
The gospel is not only for the individual, but for the whole world.

Jerusalem/Israel is a portion of the whole. It is set forth as an example that represents the world at large.
We put on the armor of God and go into battle. Not as offenders but as defenders of the word of God.
And throughout the world we will come face to face with opposition.
And this is where our greatest peace and comfort can be found.
Because we know God is on our side.

Hugs

 

[MatthewG]

There’s the passive aggression again. You have just said if one doesn’t arrive at your view that all scripture has been fulfilled and we are now just waiting for death and the whole earth in scripture means only Jerusalem (to just name a few of your stated beliefs) then we have not honestly dealt with scripture.

That is the truth, if people do not believe that Jesus has returned.

Then basically they need to adhere to everything in the scriptures and go by it directly and fully because the view takes on that the Bible was written to us directly today. It was not.

I am not being passive aggressive I am being honest.

 

[MatthewG]

It is up to the individual what they will seek and pursue and do based on what they know, those who choose to think critically will realize what I am saying.

May God guide, may love prevail... in the name of the Lord Yeshua.

 

[MatthewG]

I know this post wasn't directed at me brother, but that is our calling.
Who had more peace, or who had more comfort than Jesus himself?
And yet he went right up to the Priests and Saduccees and Pharisees and confronted them face to face.

The purpose for calling out social ills and political structures is to show them that they are in err of their ways and they need to change directions.
We don't go into the world to fight it, but through the gospel to save it.
The workman is worthy of his meat.

The world will keep doing what's it's doing until it is confronted and repents.
The gospel is not only for the individual, but for the whole world.

Jerusalem/Israel is a portion of the whole. It is set forth as an example that represents the world at large.
We put on the armor of God and go into battle. Not as offenders but as defenders of the word of God.
And throughout the world we will come face to face with opposition.
And this is where our greatest peace and comfort can be found.
Because we know God is on our side.

Hugs

Pursue as you decide too.

I am no ones judge.

hugs to you too.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

It is up to the individual what they will seek and pursue and do based on what they know, those who choose to think critically will realize what I am saying.

May God guide, may love prevail... in the name of the Lord Yeshua.

Oop, and there it is again. We choose to not think critically if we do not agree with you. How you do not gag on all that pride is a marvel.

 

[Grailhunter]

After the Gospels Satan is mention 19 times...so he is probably active.

 

[MatthewG]

You keep coming back to me @stunnedbygrace...

I am not trying to downplay anyone here, nor have I call you any names or anyone here.

So whatever your problem is please give it to God.

All these people on here as far as I know love God from their heart... I haven't said people aren't saved because what they think and choose to do or anything like that...

What is your problem with me deciding to be honest? Jesus was honest with others, and people got offended just as much... I don't care what people decide to believe, what I do care about is having love for others... and not downplaying them or calling them names or talking behind there back... all that is just child play and worldly and fleshly.

We have a choice every day, to live by the flesh or die to the flesh and live by the spirit and have love as defined in (1 Corinthians 13).