QUOTE (tomwebster @ Mar 27 2009, 09:41 PM)
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So Copper, what is apostasy?
2 Timothy 4:3) For the time will come when they
will not endure sound doctrine; but
after their own lusts shall
they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;2 Timothy 4:4) And
they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and
shall be turned unto fables.My friend, do you even bother to consider or to even think about how much in today’s fast moving society, just how much people press against the truth, and I mean the pure truth of God and not some patronizing version that diminishes truth? Do you even know why many who are calling themselves Christians today are lost? It is not because they are Christians, no but rather because they
NEVER were Christians in the first place, Why, QUOTE
Frankly, ether one is in the flock and in the sheep fold of Christ, or they were not in it at all, why?John 10:27) My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:John 10:28) And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.Not let me state this,
NO TRUE BELEIVER is going to be part of those people in Matthew 7:23) And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.Why because Christ said "I never knew you" to all them and that means that NONE of them can or ever were His sheep. Why, "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them" Christ said. All those claiming Christian, but
WHO ARE NOT REALLY Christians, they will be the ones in that crowd, those that said "Lord, Lord", claiming to know him and have fellowship with Him but were not in fellowship with him.
As I have said before, you can confess "
Lord, Lord" your whole life and still go to hell. The apostasy is the mass who claim to be Christian but in reality never were. Why?John 10:27) My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and
they follow meThese people in the apostasy, which are many, are those that failed to follow Christ, those that would rather seek the world, those who press against the truth, and even substitute what they conjur up in their own mind for the truth2 Peter 3:16) As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things
hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.People who can't handle the truth will try to ruin it, by patronizing their own selves.Matthew 25:32) And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:Matthew25:33) And he shall set the sheep on his right hand,
but the goats on the left. Matthew 25:41)
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angelsWho are those in the apostasy, none other than all those goats that claim Christ but don't know, don't seek, nor care to know the purity of his word and its truth. They would rather follow their lust, their pride, their own mind!Proverbs 12:14) There is a way which seemeth
right unto a man, but
the end thereof are the ways of death.All these in the apostasy, never entered into the full truth but rather were content living a lie, happier in the world, they reject the truth, they reject God, by substituing the world for God, having the world in someway dominating their heart,Matthew 5:8)
Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.These people are subjecting themselves to idols created by their wants and desires of self. They have become dictator over their own life and are hard pressed against the truth. Why?1 Corinthians 2:14) But
the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.Do you see, these people were never , ever, ever converted, but rather just lived in carnality, in the flesh, and never in the Spirit!Romans 8:14)
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.These people are follow lifestyles living in the flesh, living unconverted lives, having not
TRULY come to repentance, and their life is hypocrisy. Why?Titus 1:16)
They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.Am I saying that by works we are saved, no because (Ephesians 2:8) "
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves", but I will say this, (Ephesians 2:10) "
we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.". There
WILL be evidence in someone’s actions, in someone’s live, their
WILL be fruit, and that fruit should remain, as stated in John 15:16, "
I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain"Now follow me for a momentMatthew 7:16)
Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Matthew 7:17) Even so
every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but
a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. Matthew 7:18)
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit,
neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Now, I truely tell you that all those that fall away from the faith and reject the truth, who line up for destruction, are those that bear bad fruit: They are the evil or bad trees that even try to change their stripes, or claim different fruit, but in reality they were and are bad fruit bearing trees and have always been.
I TELL YOU TRULY, THAT UNLESS ONE IS CONVERTED, THAT THEY WILL BE A BAD TREE! ONE THAT BEARS CORRUPT OR BAD FRUIT, AND WILL GET HEWN DOWN AND CAST INTO THE FIRE!
you say?Well, look at Matthew 7:19 and John 15:6 and tell me what you thinkJohn 15:6)
If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. Matthew 7:19)
Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.Now combine those to verses with John 3:7, "Marvel not that I said unto thee,
Ye must be born again.", and as Christians, what does it mean to be born again?Ezekiel 36:26)
A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.This can only happen by God and can certainly not be performed or faked by humans, you can't fool God. Ether one is converted, bearing the fruitfulness of the Holy Spirit, and is being regenerated by the Holy Spirit, (Titus 3:5) "
by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost", or they are on their way to hell, because (John 3:6) "
That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit."