We have had that "authorized" version since the first copied books were being circulated around in Koine greek !That's because until the KJV, we didn't have an officially "Authorized" version so we all just had to rely on the Holy Spirit.
[Here, have a little gasoline for that fire.]
Why I read/study God's Word: The Authorized Version
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it is not possible to exalt or praise Mary more than her exalted dignity
She is the divine mother
Mother of God Lk 1:43
Mother of our salvation found our salvation Lk 1:30 consented to salvation lk 1:38
Her existence glorifying God lk 1:46
Mother of God Lk 1:43
Immaculate conception (sinless) gen 3:15 enmity or total war none of satans works are found in Mary!
Also Lk 1:28 full of grace lk 1:49 great things plural (immaculate conception of Mary and the miraculous conception of Jesus) Rev12:1 woman clothed with the sun. Immaculate purity
Lk 1:30 found favor with God (the salvation lost by Adam) mother of our salvation Lk 2:30 and cos she consented to our salvation! Lk 1:38
Perpetual Virgin Isa 7:14 matt 1:21
Lk 1:31-34
Spiritual Mother Jn 19:26-27 rev 12:17
A good tree!
Matthew 7:18
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
The fruit of the tree of Mary is our salvation! Matt 1:21 Lk 2:30 Jesus is our salvation! This reflects the immaculate conception of Mary and the miraculous conception of Jesus!
Lk 1:30 Mary found our salvation!
Lk 1:38 consented to our salvation!
A good tree (immaculate conception) Lk 1:49 God has done this and it is marvelous in our eyes!
Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
Matt 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
A sinner would be an evil tree with evil fruit, but the fruit of Mary is salvation!
Mary brings in the good fruits of our redemption and salvation!
the scripture never says anyone is a biological child of Mary except Jesus
(was a virgin only until she becamepregnant.)
This is denying the Christian doctrine of the virgin birth!
Isa 7:14 virgin shall conceive and BEAR a son
And one son singular
And her son is God
Mary is all powerful!
Not cos she is God but because her son is God!
Parents possess all that belongs to thier children
Mary is the queen of the heavenly kingdom
Christ the word on becoming man was subject to the keeping of his own commandments
Jn 2 the first miracle
His time has not yet come
God established a set time for the public ministry of Christ
Anyone else asked for this miracle and it would not have been done, but a higher law prevailed “honor Thy father and mother” and he worked the miracle and thru her intercession the disciples believed in Him!
Mary’s prayers are always answerd
mary is our spiritual mother, thank God she prays and interceded for us
see below
Mary is our spiritual mother
Mary is the Mother of the living in Christ and the new creation!
Genesis 3:20
And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.
John 19:26-27
When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son! Then saith has he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.
Jesus is not just asking John to care for His mother, if so He would have said so.
Jesus is in the very least making Mary John’s spiritual mother! And if the apostle John needs a spiritual mother so do we!
What is the family of God without a mother? The mother is the heart of the family! Jesus said I will not leave you orphans! Jn 14:18 He proved Mary the mother of one disciple then He does so for all disciples!
As eve was the mother of all the living in the first creation, gen 3:20 so Mary is the mother of all those who live in Christ and the new creation!
Rev 12:17 our spiritual mother!
Rachel is spiritual mother of Israel!
A type of Mary as spiritual mother of Christians!
The 12 sons of Jacob have 4 biological mothers, but Rachel is the spiritual mother of all Israel!
Matt 2:18 In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are no more.
Mary is the Mother of the living in Christ and the new creation!
Genesis 3:20
And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.
John 19:26-27
When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son! Then saith has he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.
Jesus is not just asking John to care for His mother, if so He would have said so.
Jesus is in the very least making Mary John’s spiritual mother! And if the apostle John needs a spiritual mother so do we!
What is the family of God without a mother? The mother is the heart of the family! Jesus said I will not leave you orphans! Jn 14:18 He proved Mary the mother of one disciple then He does so for all disciples!
As eve was the mother of all the living in the first creation, gen 3:20 so Mary is the mother of all those who live in Christ and the new creation!
Rev 12:17 our spiritual mother!
Rachel is spiritual mother of Israel!
A type of Mary as spiritual mother of Christians!
The 12 sons of Jacob have 4 biological mothers, but Rachel is the spiritual mother of all Israel!
Matt 2:18 In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are no more.
how do you know what books are God breathed?
The church alone has authority from Christ to say what is and what is not scripture
the apostle God breathed Jn 20:21-23
Jim B
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Sorry, but I believe what the Bible clearly says about Mary. You can take all your out-of-context verses to justify your predetermined dogma, but that doesn't make them true or even accurate.
You have some non-Biblical reason to exalt Mary into some sort of divine woman but I believe God, not your mythology.
P.S. Mary is not and never was my spiritual mother.
In Luke 1.47, Mary said: "My soul doth magnify the Lord, and my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour".
Mary needed a Saviour also...
Jim B
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Re Matthew 18:11...
The most significant mss, along with others (א B L* Θ* ƒ1, 13 33 892* e ff1 sys sa), do not include 18:11 “For the Son of Man came to save the lost.” The verse is included in D Lmg N W Γ Δ Θc 078vid 565 579 700 892c 1241 1424 M lat syc,p,h, but is almost certainly not original, being borrowed from the parallel in Luke 19:10. The present translation follows NA28 in omitting the verse number as well, a procedure also followed by a number of other modern translations." NET v 2.1 translator's note (my emphasis)
Why is it so difficult to understand that a) we don't have the original texts and b) until the invention of the printing press all Bibles were written by hand and subject to human error?
The most significant mss, along with others (א B L* Θ* ƒ1, 13 33 892* e ff1 sys sa), do not include 18:11 “For the Son of Man came to save the lost.” The verse is included in D Lmg N W Γ Δ Θc 078vid 565 579 700 892c 1241 1424 M lat syc,p,h, but is almost certainly not original, being borrowed from the parallel in Luke 19:10. The present translation follows NA28 in omitting the verse number as well, a procedure also followed by a number of other modern translations." NET v 2.1 translator's note (my emphasis)
Why is it so difficult to understand that a) we don't have the original texts and b) until the invention of the printing press all Bibles were written by hand and subject to human error?
atpollard
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... and SAINT JEROME did say: He said the APOCRYPHAL books were "lesser" and were "not scripture". The issue was settled in the 300's when the scrolls were translated into Latin and bound into a BOOK. People just choose to love that which is not inspired - like Tobit and Maccabees and their stories of magic. So what if they happen to teach that you can BUY salvation with cash or for the dead (which the Apostles state is false). Who are you going to believe, a Greek addition to the Hebrew OT dated hundreds of years later, or the Apostles?
Jerome chose the Apostles and Protestants sided with Jerome and the Apostles. The RCC hated Protestants so much that they accepted books they had rejected for 1000 years just to spite the Reformers. You might want to consider joining the EOC ... they accept some books that even the RCC church rejects.
then you’re not a disciple!!
it is against the commandments to lie! I never said Mary is God
atpollard
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What are the Laws for ADULTERY, for WITNESSES and for putting someone to DEATH?
Did Daniel follow them?
atpollard
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Look back at what you DID say.
Did you exalt her?
Did you ascribe to Mary things that belong to God?
jerome said some were inspired and others not but the successors of Peter actually have authority from Christ to decide matt 16:18-19
the Jews in Jerusalem did not accept the Septuagint those in Alexandria did
the reason no Hebrew manuscripts
what was found in The Dead Sea scrolls?
the Hebrew manuscripts
the church existed before the New Testament
The church exercised the authority of Christ and wrote the New Testament the church alone says what is and what is not scripture
dan 13 & 14 are scripture
why do you suppose the church condemned Bible societies?
Behold
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Jerome mistranslated the Latin and his mistake is the reason for 2 things that happened.
1. Catholics are doing penance, because Jerome mistranslated REPENTANCE, as "penance", and so this mistake has Catholics worldwide jumping through whatever hoop their Priest has them jump through next.
2. Martin Luther.......who was a "textual" scholar, equal or greater than Jerome, recognized that Jerome rewrote verses based on his own theology, and that was the "first cause" that end resulted in Martin Luther rejecting the "cult of the virgin" and that is why "protestantism" exists today.
Its interesting to see How God used one man's "adding to" to cause a real servant of God to change the Church back into real Faith in Christ which took it away from the "dark ages" when Catholicism (cult of the virgin) had most of the Europe and many others enslaved inside their man made religion.
atpollard
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[Matthew 16:18-19 NASB20]
"And I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; and whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven."
I have searched more than a score of different translations and have yet to find "and your successors" in any of them.
Isn't it supposed to be bad luck to add things to Scripture?
Of course, reading the broader context reveals a clever lay on words by Jesus. HIS CHURCH (Jesus' Church and not the Pope's Church or any man's church) WAS built on two "rocks" ... the person of the Apostle Peter and the amazing TRUTH that Peter had just spoken.
atpollard
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atpollard
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Just a guess based on my limited interaction with the Catholic Church, but they probably cut into raffle sales. The Priests that I spoke with held the Church Raffle as their HIGHEST PRIORITY (and had little interest in theological questions).
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