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you reject Christ the high priest in his seamless garment as well?
Duh ... no. I even SAID so:
We NON-CATHOLICS (Protestants/Reformers/Baptists) reject all your silly hats and self-proclaimed authority and turn to the actual Apostles themselves (through God's Holy Scripture) to teach us about Christ Himself.

to reject the church founded by Christ is to reject Christ
I agree.
So I weep for the apostate Church of Rome and how far she has wandered from her first love ... the Apostolic teaching of Christ and His REAL Apostles found in God's Holy Word! If only Rome had heeded the pleas of the 14th through 16th Century prophets that God sent to call her back to His Word where they would have found Christ Himself waiting. But ROME rejected the Word of God for the word of men ... now they pray to a queen rather than the GOD that made her (and to whom SHE always gave all the glory).

Sigh.
There will be "many beatings" for those that led God's children astray.
Shuffling pedophiles is the least of Rome's crimes to answer for.
 

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Duh ... no. I even SAID so:



I agree.
So I weep for the apostate Church of Rome and how far she has wandered from her first love ... the Apostolic teaching of Christ and His REAL Apostles found in God's Holy Word! If only Rome had heeded the pleas of the 14th through 16th Century prophets that God sent to call her back to His Word where they would have found Christ Himself waiting. But ROME rejected the Word of God for the word of men ... now they pray to a queen rather than the GOD that made her (and to whom SHE always gave all the glory).

Sigh.
There will be "many beatings" for those that led God's children astray.
Shuffling pedophiles is the least of Rome's crimes to answer for.
Rome was given her final chance by God to restore back the true Gospel, was called the Reformation, but Rome decided to commit final Apostasy at Council of Trent!
 
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All those in the true church are!

no all men are redeemed!

Christ is the redeemer of the whole world
Jn 1:29

Redemption, Justification, Sanctification, and Salvation!

Redemption: 100 percent the work of God, thru the life, death, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus Christ! All mankind are redeemed in Christ! Eph 2
Galatians 2:16 3:13
Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law...
Christ alone accomplished the redemption of mankind apart from any works on our part!

(Redemption is not Salvation)
Rom 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.


Justification: our acceptance of redemption thru faith and baptism! Become a disciple and member of Christ and His Church! Jn 3:5 acts 2:38 Mk 16:16 He who believes and is baptized shall be saved. 1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.


Sanctification: the life of grace in the holy sacrifice of the mass and sacraments, prayer, virture, and good works, the just living by faith, and faith working thru love! Phil 1:29 called to suffer with Christ.
All done in Christ thru His grace! Jn 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Salvation: a christian in the state if grace at the moment of death we enter into the salvation of the Lord! Mt 24:44-47 faithful servant! Jn 15:1-5 abide in me. Mt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Heb 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
Heb 6:11 And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end:
Heb 4:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
Rom 13:11 ...for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

Suffering required for glorification with Christ!

Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
 

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Duh ... no. I even SAID so:



I agree.
So I weep for the apostate Church of Rome and how far she has wandered from her first love ... the Apostolic teaching of Christ and His REAL Apostles found in God's Holy Word! If only Rome had heeded the pleas of the 14th through 16th Century prophets that God sent to call her back to His Word where they would have found Christ Himself waiting. But ROME rejected the Word of God for the word of men ... now they pray to a queen rather than the GOD that made her (and to whom SHE always gave all the glory).

What prophets?

Sigh.
There will be "many beatings" for those that led God's children astray.
Shuffling pedophiles is the least of Rome's crimes to answer for.

The apostles teaching? What did Andrew or Nathaniel teach?
 

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Duh ... no. I even SAID so:



I agree.
So I weep for the apostate Church of Rome and how far she has wandered from her first love ... the Apostolic teaching of Christ and His REAL Apostles found in God's Holy Word! If only Rome had heeded the pleas of the 14th through 16th Century prophets that God sent to call her back to His Word where they would have found Christ Himself waiting. But ROME rejected the Word of God for the word of men ... now they pray to a queen rather than the GOD that made her (and to whom SHE always gave all the glory).

Sigh.
There will be "many beatings" for those that led God's children astray.
Shuffling pedophiles is the least of Rome's crimes to answer for.

how do you know what is and what is not scripture?

What is the rule of faith for Christians, or the source of truth?

What is the pillar and ground of truth?

How do we know truth?

Where does it say the “Bible alone”?
Or that we are permitted to read it for ourselves and make our own doctrine?

Where does it say all revealed truths are found in scripture?



The Bible does not say all truths revealed by God are found in the “Bible alone”! Or that the word of God is limited to the “Bible alone”!

Not the “Bible alone” acts 2:42
Not personal interpretation or experiences. 2 Pet 1:20
 

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Respectfully Disagree - EVERY "translation" MAY contain SOME Of The "Words Of
God,"
but that does Not Make them The PRESERVED [For ALL generations]
And Pure Word Of God.

GRACE And Peace...

Actually, the "words of God" have been preserved for thousands of years. So they actually have been preserved and will continue to be preserved until Christ reappears.
 

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Actually, the "words of God" have been preserved for thousands of years. So they actually have been preserved and will continue to be preserved until Christ reappears.

how do you know what is and what is not scripture?

is the word of God limited to scripture?

Where does it say the “Bible alone”?
Or that we are permitted to read it for ourselves and make our own doctrine?

Where does it say all revealed truths are found in scripture?


Christ is the rule of faith or source of truth for Christians!
Jn 14:6 Jesus Christ is the way the truth and the life! The church is an extension of Christ 1 Tim 3:15 the church is the pillar and ground of truth!

Must be taught by Christ! Gal 1:2

What God has revealed by scripture and the church, the teaching authority of the apostles has proposed for our belief!

Christians must be instructed or taught!

A Christian must have humility and obedience of faith to be taught by Christ who is the way, the truth, and the life!
Jn 14:6

Verses of scripture signifying that we must be taught.

Lk 1:4
Matt 18:17
Matt 28:19
 

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Redeemed by the grace of the Lord!
The true Church not Rome, orthodox, baptist, but is the body of christ, all of the saved and redeemed!
AMEN! Redeemed By The Precious BLOOD Of CHRIST, And:

Eph 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who
hath blessed us with all Spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

Eph 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us
sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

Rom 12:5 So we, being many, are ONE Body in Christ,
and every one members one of another.

Eph 5:30 For we are members of
His Body, of
His Flesh, and of His Bones.

Spiritual Organism, NOT Any physical religion of this wicked world!
Amen?

GRACE and Peace...
 

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AMEN! Redeemed By The Precious BLOOD Of CHRIST, And:

Eph 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who
hath blessed us with all Spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

Eph 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us
sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

Rom 12:5 So we, being many, are ONE Body in Christ,
and every one members one of another.

Eph 5:30 For we are members of
His Body, of
His Flesh, and of His Bones.

Spiritual Organism, NOT Any physical religion of this wicked world!
Amen?

GRACE and Peace...

a body is physical


Matthew 5:14
Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
 

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Actually, the "words of God" have been preserved for thousands of years. So they actually have been preserved and will continue to be preserved until Christ reappears.

This is true... But your not reading the word of God!!! Your reading a translation of the Word of God...

NET Bible Act 21:40 Having received the commander's permission, Paul stood on the steps and motioned to the crowd. When they were all silent, he said to them in Aramaic[1]:

NASB Act 21:40 When he had given him permission, Paul, standing on the stairs, motioned to the people with his hand; and when there was a great hush, he spoke to them in the Hebrew dialect, saying,

Which was preserved for thousands of years... Aramaic or Hebrew?

WHO'S faith???

KJV Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

ASV Gal 2:16 yet knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, even we believed on Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ, and not by the works of the law: because by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

NIV Gal 2:16 know that a man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified.

ESV Gal 2:16 yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.

NASB Gal 2:16 nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified.

CLV Gal 2:16 having perceived that a man is not being justified by works of law, except alone through the faith of Christ Jesus, we also believe in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by the faith of Christ and not by works of law, seeing that by works of law shall no flesh at all be justified."

So is it our faith in Jesus, Or the faith of Jesus??? Which was preserved for thousands of years...

KJV Lam 3:38 Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth not evil 4751 and good?

ASV Lam 3:38 Out of the mouth of the Most High cometh there not evil and good?

NIV Lam 3:38 Is it not from the mouth of the Most High that both calamities and good things
come?

ESV Lam 3:38 Is it not from the mouth of the Most High that good and bad come?


NASB Lam 3:38 Is it not from the mouth of the Most High That both good and ill go forth?

So is it Evil? Calamities? Good and Bad? or Ill?

H7451
ַרע
ra‛, ָרָעה
rā‛āh: An adjective meaning bad, evil. The basic meaning of this word displays ten or more various shades of the meaning of evil according to its contextual usage. It means bad in a moral and ethical sense and is used to describe, along with good, the entire spectrum of good and evil; hence, it depicts evil in an absolute, negative sense, as when it describes the tree of the knowledge of good and evil (Gen_2:9; Gen_3:5, Gen_3:22). It was necessary for a wise king to be able to discern the evil or the good in the actions of his people (Ecc_12:14); men and women are characterized as evil (1Sa_30:22; Est_7:6; Jer_2:33). The human heart is evil all day long (Gen_6:5) from childhood (Gen_8:21); yet the people of God are to purge evil from among them (Deu_17:7). The Lord is the final arbiter of whether something was good or evil; if something was evil in the eyes of the Lord, there is no further court of appeals (Deu_9:18; 1Ki_14:22). The day of the Lord's judgment is called an evil day, a day of reckoning and condemnation (Amo_6:3). Jacob would have undergone grave evil (i.e., pain, misery, and ultimate disaster) if he had lost Benjamin (Gen_44:34). The word can refer to circumstances as evil, as when the Israelite foremen were placed in a grave situation (Exo_5:19; 2Ki_14:10).
The word takes on the aspect of something disagreeable, unwholesome, or harmful. Jacob evaluated his life as evil and destructive (Gen_47:9; Num_20:5); and the Israelites considered the wilderness as a threatening, terrifying place. The Canaanite women were evil in the eyes of Isaac (i.e., displeasing [Gen_28:8]). The rabble's cry within Israel for meat was displeasing in the eyes of Moses (Num_11:10). This word describes the vicious animal that killed Joseph, so Jacob thought (Gen_37:33). The despondent countenances of persons can be described by this word; the baker's and the butler's faces were downcast because of their dreams (Gen_40:7). It can also describe one who is heavy in heart (Pro_25:20).
In a literal sense, the word depicts something that is of poor quality or even ugly in appearance. The weak, lean cows of Pharaoh's dream were decrepit, ugly-looking (Gen_41:3, Gen_41:20, Gen_41:27); poisonous drinking water was described as bad (2Ki_2:19; 2Ki_4:41). From these observations, it is clear that the word can be used to attribute a negative aspect to nearly anything.
Used as a noun, the word indicates realities that are inherently evil, wicked, or bad; the psalmist feared no evil (Psa_23:4). The noun also depicts people of wickedness, that is, wicked people. Aaron characterized the people of Israel as inherently wicked in order to clear himself (Exo_32:22). Calamities, failures, and miseries are all connotations of this word when it is used as a noun.

You need to decide... Not your translators!!!
Paul
 

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This is true... But your not reading the word of God!!! Your reading a translation of the Word of God...

NET Bible Act 21:40 Having received the commander's permission, Paul stood on the steps and motioned to the crowd. When they were all silent, he said to them in Aramaic[1]:

NASB Act 21:40 When he had given him permission, Paul, standing on the stairs, motioned to the people with his hand; and when there was a great hush, he spoke to them in the Hebrew dialect, saying,

Which was preserved for thousands of years... Aramaic or Hebrew?

WHO'S faith???

KJV Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

ASV Gal 2:16 yet knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, even we believed on Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ, and not by the works of the law: because by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

NIV Gal 2:16 know that a man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified.

ESV Gal 2:16 yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.

NASB Gal 2:16 nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified.

CLV Gal 2:16 having perceived that a man is not being justified by works of law, except alone through the faith of Christ Jesus, we also believe in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by the faith of Christ and not by works of law, seeing that by works of law shall no flesh at all be justified."

So is it our faith in Jesus, Or the faith of Jesus??? Which was preserved for thousands of years...

KJV Lam 3:38 Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth not evil 4751 and good?

ASV Lam 3:38 Out of the mouth of the Most High cometh there not evil and good?

NIV Lam 3:38 Is it not from the mouth of the Most High that both calamities and good things
come?

ESV Lam 3:38 Is it not from the mouth of the Most High that good and bad come?


NASB Lam 3:38 Is it not from the mouth of the Most High That both good and ill go forth?

So is it Evil? Calamities? Good and Bad? or Ill?

H7451
ַרע
ra‛, ָרָעה
rā‛āh: An adjective meaning bad, evil. The basic meaning of this word displays ten or more various shades of the meaning of evil according to its contextual usage. It means bad in a moral and ethical sense and is used to describe, along with good, the entire spectrum of good and evil; hence, it depicts evil in an absolute, negative sense, as when it describes the tree of the knowledge of good and evil (Gen_2:9; Gen_3:5, Gen_3:22). It was necessary for a wise king to be able to discern the evil or the good in the actions of his people (Ecc_12:14); men and women are characterized as evil (1Sa_30:22; Est_7:6; Jer_2:33). The human heart is evil all day long (Gen_6:5) from childhood (Gen_8:21); yet the people of God are to purge evil from among them (Deu_17:7). The Lord is the final arbiter of whether something was good or evil; if something was evil in the eyes of the Lord, there is no further court of appeals (Deu_9:18; 1Ki_14:22). The day of the Lord's judgment is called an evil day, a day of reckoning and condemnation (Amo_6:3). Jacob would have undergone grave evil (i.e., pain, misery, and ultimate disaster) if he had lost Benjamin (Gen_44:34). The word can refer to circumstances as evil, as when the Israelite foremen were placed in a grave situation (Exo_5:19; 2Ki_14:10).
The word takes on the aspect of something disagreeable, unwholesome, or harmful. Jacob evaluated his life as evil and destructive (Gen_47:9; Num_20:5); and the Israelites considered the wilderness as a threatening, terrifying place. The Canaanite women were evil in the eyes of Isaac (i.e., displeasing [Gen_28:8]). The rabble's cry within Israel for meat was displeasing in the eyes of Moses (Num_11:10). This word describes the vicious animal that killed Joseph, so Jacob thought (Gen_37:33). The despondent countenances of persons can be described by this word; the baker's and the butler's faces were downcast because of their dreams (Gen_40:7). It can also describe one who is heavy in heart (Pro_25:20).
In a literal sense, the word depicts something that is of poor quality or even ugly in appearance. The weak, lean cows of Pharaoh's dream were decrepit, ugly-looking (Gen_41:3, Gen_41:20, Gen_41:27); poisonous drinking water was described as bad (2Ki_2:19; 2Ki_4:41). From these observations, it is clear that the word can be used to attribute a negative aspect to nearly anything.
Used as a noun, the word indicates realities that are inherently evil, wicked, or bad; the psalmist feared no evil (Psa_23:4). The noun also depicts people of wickedness, that is, wicked people. Aaron characterized the people of Israel as inherently wicked in order to clear himself (Exo_32:22). Calamities, failures, and miseries are all connotations of this word when it is used as a noun.

You need to decide... Not your translators!!!
Paul

I began to read this post, which begins with ...

This is true... But your not reading the word of God!!! Your reading a translation of the Word of God...

NET Bible Act 21:40 Having received the commander's permission, Paul stood on the steps and motioned to the crowd. When they were all silent, he said to them in Aramaic[1]:

NASB Act 21:40 When he had given him permission, Paul, standing on the stairs, motioned to the people with his hand; and when there was a great hush, he spoke to them in the Hebrew dialect, saying,

Which was preserved for thousands of years... Aramaic or Hebrew?

which is where I stopped reading. Here is a brief reply: Aramaic is a Hebrew dialect!!

Here is the translator's note from the NET: tn Grk “in the Hebrew dialect, saying.” This refers to the Aramaic spoken in Palestine in the 1st century (BDAG 270 s.v. ῾Εβραΐς). The participle λέγων (legōn) is redundant in English and has not been translated." Now you know something!

Also, you wrote at the start: But your not reading the word of God!!! Your reading a translation of the Word of God... Is your English so terrible that you don't know the difference between "your" and "you're"?

If you're looking for a fight, I'm not in the slightest interested. (I prefer a worthy opponent!)