WHY IS THE CHURCH GOING OUT BACKWARD?

[Marymog]

Exactly.

Now they must cut every tie with the RCC, and migrate back to Acts.

What is the most important part of Acts that a Christian Church must follow?

 

[mjrhealth]

What is the most important part of Acts that a Christian Church must follow?

Well it all starts with us following Jesus, something people seem to refuse to do, rather there religions than the one who is the truth, rather believe a lie than the one who is the truth, rather follow the blind into that ditch because they choose to be blind,

Joh_3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

and still is even so today.

 

[Illuminator]

Ok.....sooooo let me see if I understand you correctly!!

The Reformation was the beginning of Christianity cutting all doctrinal ties to the RCC? Christianity must start from scratch to get back to the Truth? Now that we have had the Reformation we are getting back on track to the truth? But God is going to take His time getting us there since it take a long time for a child to be grown up???

Hmmmm.........How will we know when the child has finally grown up?

Curious Mary

 

[Illuminator]

What is the most important part of Acts that a Christian Church must follow?

Independent Evangelical churches follow the Baptist Successionist idea that the early church was de-centralized. They like to imagine that the early Christians met in their homes for Bible study and prayer, and that in this pure form they existed independently of any central authority. It is easy to imagine that long ago in the ancient world transportation and communication was rare and difficult and that no form of centralized church authority could have existed even if it was desirable.

The most straightforward reading of the Acts of the Apostles shows this to be untrue, and a further reading of early church documents shows this to be no more than a back-projected invention. In the Acts of the Apostles what we find is a church that is immediately centralized in Jerusalem. When Peter has his disturbing vision in which God directs him to admit the Gentiles to the Church, he references back at once to the apostolic leadership in Jerusalem.(Acts 11:2)

The mission of the infant church was directed from Jerusalem, with Barnabas and Agabus being sent to Antioch (Acts 11:22,27) The Council of Jerusalem (Acts 15) was convened to decide on the Gentile decision and a letter of instruction was sent to the new churches in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia. (Acts 15:23) We see Philip, John Mark, Barnabas and Paul traveling to and from Jerusalem and providing a teaching and disciplinary link from the new churches back to the centralized church in Jerusalem.

After the martyrdom of James the leadership shifts to Peter and Paul. The authority is not centered on Jerusalem, but through their epistles to the various churches, we see a centralized authority that is vested in Peter and Paul as apostles. This central authority was very soon focused on Rome, so that St Ignatius, a bishop of the church in Antioch would write to the Romans in the year 108 affirming that their church was the one that had the “superior place in love among the churches.’”
PAST TENSE
Authority of the First Popes - Fr. Dwight Longenecker

 

[Timtofly]

The Reformation, which caused multiple divisions in Christianity with every man thinking he has been personally guided to the truth via the Holy Spirit and hundreds of different truths, is a fulfillment of prophecy?

Sooooo has the Reformation been good for Christianity?

The rock was Jesus Christ. It started rolling way before the kingdoms of the ten toes. The Reformation was just the point in time the kingdom began to fill the earth, and the last of the image was finally shattered. The mountain is all those in Christ. It is not about denominations or church groups. It is about the body of Christ.

 

[Illuminator]

The rock was Jesus Christ. It started rolling way before the kingdoms of the ten toes. The Reformation was just the point in time the kingdom began to fill the earth, and the last of the image was finally shattered. The mountain is all those in Christ. It is not about denominations or church groups. It is about the body of Christ.

An earthly "body" (kingdom) with no earthly head???
Daniel 2:34-35 and Jeremiah 33:17 are prophecies concerning an EARTHLY kingdom. Can an earthly body function without a head? That's not a kingdom, it's more like a baseball game with no umpires. Or worse, a baseball game where all the players are umpires. If you want to claim an earthly kingdom with no earthly prime minister to the king, that's your problem.

Furthermore, 2 Sam. 7:16; Psalm 89:3-4; 1 Chron.17:12,14 – God promises to establish the Davidic kingdom forever on earth.

Matt. 1:1 – Matthew clearly establishes this tie of David to Jesus. Jesus is the new King of the new House of David, and the King will assign a chief steward to rule over the house while the King is in heaven.

Matt. 16:19 – Jesus gives Peter the “keys of the kingdom of heaven.” While most Protestants argue that the kingdom of heaven Jesus was talking about is the eternal state of glory (as if Peter is up in heaven letting people in), the kingdom of heaven Jesus is speaking of actually refers to the Church on earth. In using the term “keys,” Jesus was referencing Isaiah 22 (which is the only place in the Bible where keys are used in the context of a kingdom).

Isaiah 22:22 – in the old Davidic kingdom, there were royal ministers who conducted the liturgical worship and bound the people in teaching and doctrine. But there was also a Prime Minister or chief steward of the kingdom who held the keys. Jesus gives Peter these keys to His earthly kingdom, the Church. This representative has decision-making authority over the people – when he shuts, no one opens. See also Job 12:14.

Rev. 1:18; 3:7; 9:1; 20:1 – Jesus’ “keys” undeniably represent authority. By using the word “keys,” Jesus gives Peter authority on earth over the new Davidic kingdom, and this was not seriously questioned by anyone until the Protestant revolt 1,500 years later after Peter’s investiture.

An earthly kingdom with no earthly queen would have been unthinkable to a 1st century Jewish Christian. This earthly queen was never the wife if the king, but the MOTHER of the king. There are plenty of OT verses to support this. The Protestant animosity against the dignity of the physical, earthly, human MOTHER of Jesus is not biblical and illustrates the severing of roots from Judaism.

 

[marksman]

The last line of my post in question (#287) is in bold for the benefit of the visually impaired. I will edit the line and make it bigger just for you.

I am not visually impaired.

 

[marksman]

i think it does.

Some "theologian" disqualifies scriptures in the KJV?

I trow not.

I said it doesn't and what is a trow?

 

[marksman]

It is a commentary by a man that was not a professional, but an honorary linguist.

It was compiled to attempt to debunk the KJV.

James Strong is quoted from pulpits as the "Bible corrector" now.

It is a masterpiece of deception.

It was compiled to attempt to debunk the KJV. ???????

How does a book that lists all the words in the bible and tells you where to find them debunk anything? In all honesty, a remark like yours makes me think that you are in bondage to an ideology and a religious way of life that is so rigid you cannot see the wood for the trees.

 

[marksman]

You misunderstand what I am saying.

We all need each other's ministry.

The Shepherd-ship is not a ministry, but reserved for Jesus Christ alone(John 10).

The Shepherd is in charge of all ministries, and activates them in His flock.

Every minister is unique, but none is the Shepherd.

Don't ever say "baaah" to these ministers, but say "baaah" to Jesus only.

I guess you are in denial and can't entertain anything other than your rigid philosophy and religious way of life.

(LITV) And indeed He gave some to be apostles; and some prophets; and some evangelists; and some pastors (shepherds) and teachers; Ephesians 4:11

So what you are saying is that Paul was lying?

 

[mjrhealth]

An earthly "body" (kingdom) with no earthly head???
Daniel 2:34-35 and Jeremiah 33:17 are prophecies concerning an EARTHLY kingdom. Can an earthly body function without a head? That's not a kingdom, it's more like a baseball game with no umpires. Or worse, a baseball game where all the players are umpires. If you want to claim an earthly kingdom with no earthly prime minister to the king, that's your problem.

Furthermore, 2 Sam. 7:16; Psalm 89:3-4; 1 Chron.17:12,14 – God promises to establish the Davidic kingdom forever on earth.

Matt. 1:1 – Matthew clearly establishes this tie of David to Jesus. Jesus is the new King of the new House of David, and the King will assign a chief steward to rule over the house while the King is in heaven.

Matt. 16:19 – Jesus gives Peter the “keys of the kingdom of heaven.” While most Protestants argue that the kingdom of heaven Jesus was talking about is the eternal state of glory (as if Peter is up in heaven letting people in), the kingdom of heaven Jesus is speaking of actually refers to the Church on earth. In using the term “keys,” Jesus was referencing Isaiah 22 (which is the only place in the Bible where keys are used in the context of a kingdom).

Isaiah 22:22 – in the old Davidic kingdom, there were royal ministers who conducted the liturgical worship and bound the people in teaching and doctrine. But there was also a Prime Minister or chief steward of the kingdom who held the keys. Jesus gives Peter these keys to His earthly kingdom, the Church. This representative has decision-making authority over the people – when he shuts, no one opens. See also Job 12:14.

Rev. 1:18; 3:7; 9:1; 20:1 – Jesus’ “keys” undeniably represent authority. By using the word “keys,” Jesus gives Peter authority on earth over the new Davidic kingdom, and this was not seriously questioned by anyone until the Protestant revolt 1,500 years later after Peter’s investiture.

An earthly kingdom with no earthly queen would have been unthinkable to a 1st century Jewish Christian. This earthly queen was never the wife if the king, but the MOTHER of the king. There are plenty of OT verses to support this. The Protestant animosity against the dignity of the physical, earthly, human MOTHER of Jesus is not biblical and illustrates the severing of roots from Judaism.

And religions animosity to Christ and there gross misrepresentation of Him and His Kingdom, and there pathetic undermining of His authority even usurping His authority than trying to declare the harlot church as His bride, that is the gross negligence ignorance and Hypocrisy.

 

[Marymog]

Well it all starts with us following Jesus, something people seem to refuse to do, rather there religions than the one who is the truth, rather believe a lie than the one who is the truth, rather follow the blind into that ditch because they choose to be blind,

Joh_3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

and still is even so today.

Ummmmm.....you quoted John 3 and you said we are to migrate to Acts sooooo do you have anything from Acts?

 

[Marymog]

The rock was Jesus Christ. It started rolling way before the kingdoms of the ten toes. The Reformation was just the point in time the kingdom began to fill the earth, and the last of the image was finally shattered. The mountain is all those in Christ. It is not about denominations or church groups. It is about the body of Christ.

Hi Timtofly,

Who taught you this?

 

[Truther]

I guess you are in denial and can't entertain anything other than your rigid philosophy and religious way of life.

(LITV) And indeed He gave some to be apostles; and some prophets; and some evangelists; and some pastors (shepherds) and teachers; Ephesians 4:11

So what you are saying is that Paul was lying?

No, you did.

Paul did not insert the words "shepherds".

 

[Truther]

It was compiled to attempt to debunk the KJV. ???????

How does a book that lists all the words in the bible and tells you where to find them debunk anything? In all honesty, a remark like yours makes me think that you are in bondage to an ideology and a religious way of life that is so rigid you cannot see the wood for the trees.

Easy.

Strongs is a book or REDEFINITIONS.

I know, I own it.

Years ago, before I ever was aware of the universal KJV attack, I used Strongs and automatically(not realizing), was finding endless new meanings the KJV "omitted".

I saw this from the pulpit weekly too.

I began to doubt the Bible's accuracy, thinking Strongs was the fix of it's errors.

Thank God someone showed me what was going on, because my faith in the Bible was at stake.

Next time you see someone begin to dissect the Bible with a Strongs, just say nothing and observe what just happened before your eyes....


"Saints...I know the Bible says this, but let me "shed some light" on that it REALLY means per my Strongs/Thayers etc. You may find it fascinating to see that it means more than meets the eye...."

 

[Truther]

I said it doesn't and what is a trow?

I Trow(think) not.

KJV lingo...LOL

 

[Truther]

What is the most important part of Acts that a Christian Church must follow?

Acts 2:38.

#1... Remission of sins begins per water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ.

Without it, Jesus wasted his time dying for our sins.

 

[Truther]

Ok.....sooooo let me see if I understand you correctly!!

The Reformation was the beginning of Christianity cutting all doctrinal ties to the RCC? Christianity must start from scratch to get back to the Truth? Now that we have had the Reformation we are getting back on track to the truth? But God is going to take His time getting us there since it take a long time for a child to be grown up???

Hmmmm.........How will we know when the child has finally grown up?

Curious Mary

No, the reformation began the first attempt to slowly over the centuries find their way back to the Acts church.

The protestants are trying, but are addicted to RCC doctrines that are like meth to an addict.

They must reach a point to do a complete reboot, starting with Acts 2, to create the 1st century foundation they lack.

They are daughters of the RCC, because they modify the RCC doctrines, rather that toss them and start over.

It is like a junkie on methadone, saying they are not a junkie now.

 

[Timtofly]

An earthly "body" (kingdom) with no earthly head???
Daniel 2:34-35 and Jeremiah 33:17 are prophecies concerning an EARTHLY kingdom. Can an earthly body function without a head? That's not a kingdom, it's more like a baseball game with no umpires. Or worse, a baseball game where all the players are umpires. If you want to claim an earthly kingdom with no earthly prime minister to the king, that's your problem.

Furthermore, 2 Sam. 7:16; Psalm 89:3-4; 1 Chron.17:12,14 – God promises to establish the Davidic kingdom forever on earth.

Matt. 1:1 – Matthew clearly establishes this tie of David to Jesus. Jesus is the new King of the new House of David, and the King will assign a chief steward to rule over the house while the King is in heaven.

Matt. 16:19 – Jesus gives Peter the “keys of the kingdom of heaven.” While most Protestants argue that the kingdom of heaven Jesus was talking about is the eternal state of glory (as if Peter is up in heaven letting people in), the kingdom of heaven Jesus is speaking of actually refers to the Church on earth. In using the term “keys,” Jesus was referencing Isaiah 22 (which is the only place in the Bible where keys are used in the context of a kingdom).

Isaiah 22:22 – in the old Davidic kingdom, there were royal ministers who conducted the liturgical worship and bound the people in teaching and doctrine. But there was also a Prime Minister or chief steward of the kingdom who held the keys. Jesus gives Peter these keys to His earthly kingdom, the Church. This representative has decision-making authority over the people – when he shuts, no one opens. See also Job 12:14.

Rev. 1:18; 3:7; 9:1; 20:1 – Jesus’ “keys” undeniably represent authority. By using the word “keys,” Jesus gives Peter authority on earth over the new Davidic kingdom, and this was not seriously questioned by anyone until the Protestant revolt 1,500 years later after Peter’s investiture.

An earthly kingdom with no earthly queen would have been unthinkable to a 1st century Jewish Christian. This earthly queen was never the wife if the king, but the MOTHER of the king. There are plenty of OT verses to support this. The Protestant animosity against the dignity of the physical, earthly, human MOTHER of Jesus is not biblical and illustrates the severing of roots from Judaism.

It was a mountain that filled the whole earth.

 

[Timtofly]

Hi Timtofly,

Who taught you this?

That is what Daniel 2 says.