Why many Christians will be deceived by Satan

[Fred J]

Dear Hobie,
No. Adam and Eve did not have a free will and neither does any of their offspring.

Christ plainly tells us that He is the one who caused Eve to sin. It didn't happen by chance or by her supposed free will ability.

Ecc 1:13 An experience of evil God has given to the sons of humanity to humble them by it.

Prov 16:4 The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

Lam 3:38 Out of the mouth of the Most High doth not there proceed evil and good?

Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
the LORD.

Prov 20:24 Man's goings are of the LORD; how can a man then understand his own way?

Isa 44:18 They have not known nor understood: for he hath shut their eyes, that they cannot see; and their hearts, that they cannot understand.

Prov 21:1 The king's heart is in the hand of the LORD, as the rivers of water: he turneth it whithersoever he will.

Isa 64:8 But now, O LORD, thou art our father; we are the clay, and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand.

Jer 10:23 I know, Jehovah, that the way of man is not his own; it is not in a man that walketh to direct his steps.

Dan 4:35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing; and he doeth according to his will in the army of the heavens, and among the inhabitants of the earth; and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?

It is a lie of the apostate church that mankind has any free will ability. Only God the Father has a free will and it rules supreme over mankind's "will'.

I have shown you these scriptures before and you rejected the truth that they teach. Has anything changed for you?

Joe

Apparently, there is no direct quote that Christ tells us that He made Eve to sin.

But there is on the contrary in;

James 1:
12. Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love HIM.
13. Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of GOD: for GOD cannot be tempted by evil, neither tempteth HE any man:
14. But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
15. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
16. Do not err, my beloved brethren.
17. Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the FATHER of Lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

By this we know, Eve was led by her own lust and wisdom, besides GOD's commandment prior did forbid, and predicted the outcome. It is not like the false interpretation of lying man, that Christ hypnotize Eve and made her sin.

GOD is not the creator of evil, but is able to create evil that formed on it's own later and exist, towards the ungodly and disobedient. For in the beginning GOD created everything in the world including man and woman, and declared them as 'very good'.

 

[Taken]

Dear Taken,
Scripture teaches that no man has a desire to seek out God (the true God) nor can they understand the truth of God.

Rom 3:10 As it is written, there is none righteous, no, not one: 11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

Agree…that is the condition of a “natural born” mankind of being. (Until Conversion)

And not only that, each person's carnal mind hates the things of God

Agree….

and will never submit to Him.

By way of the “Carnal Mind”….Agree

Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

1Cor 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Still regarding the Carnal Mind…Agree

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Because mankind is in this wicked & sinful condition, Christ was sent to change mankind into a new creation who is spiritually like God.

Yes….and here I would “insert”….
A very IMPORTANT Scriptural message…
HEARING the Word of God….regardless of why or how…
(Parents make you, curiosity, overhear a conversation, flipping channels on the TV, Christmas Church Program invite, etc.)
HEARING / READING the Word of God…nets that person the FREE GIFT from God of measures of FAITH.

As well, the number of People who serve on behalf of God…Blessing others, strangers, Giving a helping hand and Accrediting God, on and on…

To my understanding…it is with a mans “natural heart” (ie his natural spirit/truth)….that is receiving, of Gods Gift of Faith…measure by measure increase as he hears more….
THAT, that man is being prepared, to call on the Lord and CONFESS his Heartful BELIEF.
(And the CARNAL MIND…is not a part of that conversation …. It is spirit to Spirit via Gods Advocate JESUS.)

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After Christ has given the Spirit to a person, their heart and mind will be changed.

Heart, yes. (Ie the circumcision)
Spirit, yes. (Ie Born of Gods Seed)
Soul, yes. (Ie restored to what it was when Gods gave it…”very good”…ie Saved
Man…sanctified…(set apart) justified for Christ to claim.
Mans Name…entered into the Lambs book of Life
Not subject to WRATH, sent from Heaven.
Guaranteed eternal life with the Lord God Almighty.

God “changes” a mans “carnal mind”? No.
God gave a man the “TOOLS” necessary for a man to make his “carnal mind” submissive to the truth in his new heart, new spirit (Ie the baptism of the Power of Holy Spirit of Truth)

This is when a person bows to the knee and calls Jesus "Lord". It is only this unforced confession of faith that will give the Father glory. In fact, scripture says that only when a person is governed by the Spirit can make this confession of faith. This confession of faith is the evidence of their having become a new creation.

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You asked:
Why teach belief, confession, submission IF at the end “ALL” are saved…willingly and forcefully? Making Damnation and Separation from God a HOAX?

Uh huh.

It seems you do not understand salvation.

Mankind's salvation is to be converted from a child of the devil (who is condemned already) and into a child of God who does not sin. This is the work that the Father sent Christ to do in every person who has ever lived (all who have died in Adam).

We are all naturally born “belonging to God”, not Satan! We have a natural connection with our provider of which our “soul” senses react…Parents, siblings, caretakers….being whom we FIRST begin to Know and mimic, and learn likes and dislikes, right and wrong, according to our caretakers.

The Lord God does Not save the SAVED…
He saves those DEAD in their sins….who have confessed their belief, While dead in their sins…from the belief in their “natural spirit (truth), in their natural heart”…

AND WHY such a confession must be from the mans natural spirit…(and not his carnal mind)….we are “notified”…God Searches our hearts that our confession…BE true.
God shall not be mocked or presented as a FOOL….to SAVE a soul, of someone whose belief is a wishy washy flimsy whim…

Seriously look how many have “testified to others”….”I used to believe…was “baptized”, but don’t believe any more….but, but, but….if God is real, I’m good…been baptized”!
Foolish…

Rom 5:18 so then as it was by one offence towards all men to condemnation, so by one righteousness towards all men for justification of life. 19 For as indeed by the disobedience of the one man the many have been constituted sinners, so also by the obedience of the one the many will be constituted righteous.

Yes………read it…MANY………not ALL.


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It is only your false belief in man's free will ability that causes you to believe that Christ cannot succeed in saving the world.

Not true.
The Lord God certainly has the Power to SAVE EVERY Person and MAKE every Person “LOVE HIM”…. Which would BE a FALSE LOVE, FORCED, not genuine.

But after Christ gives each person the Holy Spirit, the only thing they will do when presented the truth is to make a confession of faith in Christ. They will not be able to reject Christ any longer.

Out of Order!
Hearing, Faith, Willing Confession, THEN receipt of the Hoy Spirit, THEN forever with the Lord God.


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You really don't believe this verse below:

1Cor 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Spirit.

You are NOT qualified to dictate my belief for me! That verse is IN RESPECT of oral speech from a mans SPIRIT….not in respect to a mans Carnal mind!


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Christ will give this free gift of the Holy Spirit to every person who has ever lived but only at a time of His choosing.

Not True.

Rom 9:
[18] Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.

In this age, Christ is ONLY saving the people who were chosen for this blessing from the foundation of the world. They are the Elect and the First Fruits of the harvest. They are NOT the full harvest.

Christ claims His Fruits First. ChurchRapture.
Christ divides the rest during the Trib.
The Dividing is the Faithful Son of God with Power separating the remainder FOR God from those Against God.
God exacts His Vengeance against them against Him.
THEN shall the Faithful Son with Power be seated in His Kingdom on Earth, (for 1,000 years) ruling His Kingdom, and the Nations of this world, with the Word of God, with His Church, with His Angels, Under the watchful eye of His Father in Heaven….and WITHOUT the presence of Satan and His followers (fallen spirit angels or anti-Christ human men).
…..THEN a whole other event (of DIVISION, wars, ) follows the ending of Gods Faithful Sons 1,000 yr reign…

The Elect start out life just as carnal and sinful as anyone else.

Sure…from the beginning of manKind.

But because Christ comes to them and does His spiritual work within them, their hearts and minds are changed as a result. Christ is not working to save anyone else at this time.

“some” Men from the beginning were SAVED…By, through, of Gods Word, their obedience, belief, and Gods Spirit (Power)…
Long before men KNEW of a Messiah, a Christ, a Son of God…or Names applied to them…in later days.
And NO… God does not “change” the minds of men….God changes Hearts and Spirits of men. Men change their MINDS via their new hearts and spirits power, to become MADE to have a mind LIKE Christ.

However, in the final age while the balance of mankind is being judged by Christ in the Lake of Fire (a symbol for Christ's judgment), Christ will "bless His enemies" by pouring out His love and mercy upon them before they perish. His love and mercy will come to them as the Early and Latter Rains of the Spirit - just as the Early and Latter Rains of the Spirit were freely given to the Elect. It is the Spirit that will give them their faith and their new birth. The child of the devil will remain under judgment until he is destroyed. This death will satisfy the penalty of sin.

You confuse LOVE and MERCY….with righteousness.
The FINAL JUDGEMENTS are not about How MUCH Love and Mercy the Lord God HAS toward His Creations…
RATHER…Judgements ARE Pronounced and Sentences ARE Exacted ACCORDING TO THE EVIDENCE IN GODS BOOKS and ACCOUNTING RECORDS!

You ignore the EVIDENCE, and propose…LOVE trumps the Evidence… NOT SO..

(You project yourself AS IF in a civil courtroom…IF the JUDGE “really loved the defendant”….the EVIDENCE would be irrelevant to consider for the Judge-MENT ruling.) Nonsense!

These verses apply:

Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you.

Mat 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law: justice, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

The process of conversion is happening now to the Elect and it will happen to the rest of mankind in the final age. After the last person is saved, mankind will cease to exist but the Kingdom of Heaven will be that much fuller. Only this result of Christ's work will give the Father glory. The confession of faith that each person makes is a result of their being spiritually converted. It is not forced because Christ changed each person's heart and mind to be like His. It was a free gift and it was given to them because of His grace.

No…

You can not SKIP evidence and pretend the Consequences do not apply.

The Books of Evidence do APPLY and the Consequences DO Apply….Yet, you do not yet get…HOW Gods Love and Mercy EVEN to the anti-god, anti-Christ applies…(it is NOT by Salvation).

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[FaithWillDo]

Apparently, there is no direct quote that Christ tells us that He made Eve to sin.

But there is on the contrary in;

James 1:
12. Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love HIM.
13. Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of GOD: for GOD cannot be tempted by evil, neither tempteth HE any man:
14. But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
15. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
16. Do not err, my beloved brethren.
17. Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the FATHER of Lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

By this we know, Eve was led by her own lust and wisdom, besides GOD's commandment prior did forbid, and predicted the outcome. It is not like the false interpretation of lying man, that Christ hypnotize Eve and made her sin.

GOD is not the creator of evil, but is able to create evil that formed on it's own later and exist, towards the ungodly and disobedient. For in the beginning GOD created everything in the world including man and woman, and declared them as 'very good'.

Dear Fred J,

God created Adam and Eve spiritually marred (Jer 18:4) and subject to vanity (Rom 8:4). Because of these spiritual flaws, Adam and Eve became carnally minded and sinful. Eve even displayed her carnal mind prior to her sinning:

Gen 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food (LUST OF THE FLESH), and that it was pleasant to the eyes (LUST OF THE EYES), and a tree to be desired to make one wise (PRIDE OF LIFE), she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

Because God made Adam and Eve in this spiritually flawed manner, He knew that they would sin when tempted. In this way, God gave mankind an experience of evil. He takes full credit for it happening because He knows that He caused it to happen.

Ecc 1:13 An experience of evil God has given to the sons of humanity to humble them by it.

The scripture you quoted from James 1 is speaking about converted believers (the Elect). They are the blessed and are the only ones who can endure being tempted by Satan. Mankind has been made in such a way that they cannot endure Satan's temptations.

And as James says, God does not tempt mankind but He does use Satan for this work. That is why Satan was in the Garden and is why David was moved to number the people of Israel by Satan:

2 Sam 24:1 And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah.

So how did God move David to number the people? He sent Satan to do it:

1 Chron 21:1 And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.

Satan was created to be mankind's tempter and destroyer and God uses him as such.

1 Sam 16:14 But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him.

Judg 9:23 Then God sent an evil spirit between Abimelech and the men of Shechem; and the men of Shechem dealt treacherously with Abimelech:

Isa 54: 16 Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and I have created the waster to destroy.

Satan is the crooked serpent and because all mankind are children of the devil, mankind is likewise crooked. For that reason, both Satan and mankind follow the crooked way of approaching God. The crooked way is by "works".

Lam 3:9 He hath inclosed my ways with hewn stone (man's works), he hath made my paths crooked.

The Old Covenant of Law was given to prove that the crooked way of man's works cannot make a person righteous before God. Because it cannot, Christ came into the world and gave mankind a new covenant which is solely based on His works to make mankind righteous. This is the straight way.

Ecc 7:13 Consider the work of God: for who can make that straight, which he hath made crooked?

The implied answer is Christ.

The verse below describes how Christ will make crooked mankind straight. It is by His spiritual works of conversion.

Isa 42:16 And I will bring the blind (spiritually blind mankind) by a way that they knew not (the straight way); I will lead them in paths that they have not known: I will make darkness light before them (spiritual blindness healed), and crooked things straight (by faith alone). These things will I do unto them, and not forsake them.

Also, God is the creator of evil and He clearly says so in scripture.

Isa 45:5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me: 6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else. 7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Prov 16:4 The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

Ecc 1:13 An experience of evil God has given to the sons of humanity to humble them by it.

Lam 3:38 Out of the mouth of the Most High doth not there proceed evil and good?

Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?

Job 2:10 But he said to her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. We have also received good from God, and should we not receive evil? In all this Job did not sin with his lips.

Evil only exists in the world because God created it to be here. He uses evil for His purpose of making many new sons and daughters who are like Him. To be like Him, mankind must have a knowledge of good and evil. Nothing happens in God's creation that God does not plan and cause to happen. To believe otherwise, is to bring God down to the level of mankind.

Dan 4:35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing; and he doeth according to his will in the army of the heavens, and among the inhabitants of the earth; and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?

Joe

 

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Yes….and here I would “insert”….
A very IMPORTANT Scriptural message…
HEARING the Word of God….regardless of why or how…
(Parents make you, curiosity, overhear a conversation, flipping channels on the TV, Christmas Church Program invite, etc.)
HEARING / READING the Word of God…nets that person the FREE GIFT from God of measures of FAITH.

As well, the number of People who serve on behalf of God…Blessing others, strangers, Giving a helping hand and Accrediting God, on and on…

To my understanding…it is with a mans “natural heart” (ie his natural spirit/truth)….that is receiving, of Gods Gift of Faith…measure by measure increase as he hears more….
THAT, that man is being prepared, to call on the Lord and CONFESS his Heartful BELIEF.
(And the CARNAL MIND…is not a part of that conversation …. It is spirit to Spirit via Gods Advocate JESUS.)

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Dear Taken,
Your understanding of God's Word is founded upon the works of man and not the works of Christ.
Joe

 

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Heart, yes. (Ie the circumcision)
Spirit, yes. (Ie Born of Gods Seed)
Soul, yes. (Ie restored to what it was when Gods gave it…”very good”…ie Saved
Man…sanctified…(set apart) justified for Christ to claim.
Mans Name…entered into the Lambs book of Life
Not subject to WRATH, sent from Heaven.
Guaranteed eternal life with the Lord God Almighty.

God “changes” a mans “carnal mind”? No.
God gave a man the “TOOLS” necessary for a man to make his “carnal mind” submissive to the truth in his new heart, new spirit (Ie the baptism of the Power of Holy Spirit of Truth)



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Dear Taken,
Again, you apply the teachings of Christ through a filter of man's works. It is solely the works of Christ that causes a person's conversion.
Joe

 

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Uh huh.







We are all naturally born “belonging to God”, not Satan! We have a natural connection with our provider of which our “soul” senses react…Parents, siblings, caretakers….being whom we FIRST begin to Know and mimic, and learn likes and dislikes, right and wrong, according to our caretakers.

The Lord God does Not save the SAVED…
He saves those DEAD in their sins….who have confessed their belief, While dead in their sins…from the belief in their “natural spirit (truth), in their natural heart”…

AND WHY such a confession must be from the mans natural spirit…(and not his carnal mind)….we are “notified”…God Searches our hearts that our confession…BE true.
God shall not be mocked or presented as a FOOL….to SAVE a soul, of someone whose belief is a wishy washy flimsy whim…

Seriously look how many have “testified to others”….”I used to believe…was “baptized”, but don’t believe any more….but, but, but….if God is real, I’m good…been baptized”!
Foolish…



Yes………read it…MANY………not ALL.


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Not true.
The Lord God certainly has the Power to SAVE EVERY Person and MAKE every Person “LOVE HIM”…. Which would BE a FALSE LOVE, FORCED, not genuine.



Out of Order!
Hearing, Faith, Willing Confession, THEN receipt of the Hoy Spirit, THEN forever with the Lord God.


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You are NOT qualified to dictate my belief for me! That verse is IN RESPECT of oral speech from a mans SPIRIT….not in respect to a mans Carnal mind!


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Not True.

Rom 9:
[18] Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.



Christ claims His Fruits First. ChurchRapture.
Christ divides the rest during the Trib.
The Dividing is the Faithful Son of God with Power separating the remainder FOR God from those Against God.
God exacts His Vengeance against them against Him.
THEN shall the Faithful Son with Power be seated in His Kingdom on Earth, (for 1,000 years) ruling His Kingdom, and the Nations of this world, with the Word of God, with His Church, with His Angels, Under the watchful eye of His Father in Heaven….and WITHOUT the presence of Satan and His followers (fallen spirit angels or anti-Christ human men).
…..THEN a whole other event (of DIVISION, wars, ) follows the ending of Gods Faithful Sons 1,000 yr reign…



Sure…from the beginning of manKind.



“some” Men from the beginning were SAVED…By, through, of Gods Word, their obedience, belief, and Gods Spirit (Power)…
Long before men KNEW of a Messiah, a Christ, a Son of God…or Names applied to them…in later days.
And NO… God does not “change” the minds of men….God changes Hearts and Spirits of men. Men change their MINDS via their new hearts and spirits power, to become MADE to have a mind LIKE Christ.



You confuse LOVE and MERCY….with righteousness.
The FINAL JUDGEMENTS are not about How MUCH Love and Mercy the Lord God HAS toward His Creations…
RATHER…Judgements ARE Pronounced and Sentences ARE Exacted ACCORDING TO THE EVIDENCE IN GODS BOOKS and ACCOUNTING RECORDS!

You ignore the EVIDENCE, and propose…LOVE trumps the Evidence… NOT SO..

(You project yourself AS IF in a civil courtroom…IF the JUDGE “really loved the defendant”….the EVIDENCE would be irrelevant to consider for the Judge-MENT ruling.) Nonsense!



No…

You can not SKIP evidence and pretend the Consequences do not apply.

The Books of Evidence do APPLY and the Consequences DO Apply….Yet, you do not yet get…HOW Gods Love and Mercy EVEN to the anti-god, anti-Christ applies…(it is NOT by Salvation).

Glory to God,
Taken

Dear Taken,
There is much I could respond to you but you would not be able to receive it. Your understanding of salvation and how God works within mankind is so mixed with your own works, you are not teachable. You need the Latter Rain of the Spirit and the healing of your spiritual blindness at accompanies that gift.

Pro 23:29 Who hath woe? who hath sorrow? who hath contentions? who hath babbling? who hath wounds without cause? who hath redness of eyes? 30 They that tarry long at the wine; they that go to seek mixed wine. 31 Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright. 32 At the last it biteth like a serpent, and stingeth like an adder.

You are approaching God by mixing you own works (Old Wine) with the works of Christ (New Wine). When a believer commits this sin, it will cause them to fall from grace. It is the only sin that leads to death. And it is with this mixture of Old and New Wines that Satan deceives all new believers and grows his apostate church. No new believer (babe who draws only milk) can avoid it happening to them. It is a portion of the pathway to salvation that mankind will travel to their salvation. It is man's "day of evil" and time of great tribulation.

These verses apply:

Isa 28:9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts (converted believers). 10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: 11 For with stammering lips and another language will he speak to this people. 12 But the word of the LORD was unto them (babes, unconverted believers) precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken (by Satan).

Mat 12:43 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none. 44 Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished. 45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself SEVEN other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.

Mat 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children (no longer a babe), ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

An unbeliever becomes a believer after Christ gives them the Early Rain of the Spirit. The Early Rain will give the person a measure of faith but will them them carnally minded, spiritually blind and unconverted. In this condition, Satan will plant his seed of the spirit of anti-Christ within the new believer and deceive them. This is when a babe commits the sin that leads to death and when they enter the apostate church where they will become "worse than the first". No new believer can avoid it happening to them.

If the apostate believer is one of the Elect, Christ will come to them a second time and pour out the Latter Rain of the Spirit. It will come with power and will restore the believer to Christ and salvation. Judgment will then follow to destroy all the things within the believer which makes them carnally minded. After this judgment is complete, the believer will be a converted and a child of God who has entered the Kingdom of Heaven.

Salvation only comes to the Elect because Christ will only perform the necessary spiritual work of conversion within those who have been chosen in this age. That is why the Elect are said to be blessed.

Salvation is not an "offer", it is a free gift that Christ will give to all mankind before the ages come to an end. It is not dependent upon any works from mankind.

1Tim 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior; 4 who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Joe

 

[Taken]

Dear Taken,
Your understanding of God's Word is founded upon the works of man and not the works of Christ.
Joe

Joe…
Your accusations are only satisfactory to you.
They have zero application to me, or impact upon me…
My relationship with the Lord God, is wholly based on His order and way….not yours.

God bless you.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[FaithWillDo]

Joe…
Your accusations are only satisfactory to you.
They have zero application to me, or impact upon me…
My relationship with the Lord God, is wholly based on His order and way….not yours.

God bless you.

Glory to God,
Taken

Dear Taken,
I do not accuse you of anything. I am only pointing out how Christ saves the Elect. He does all the work and has set a pathway in place for the Elect to travel to their salvation. It involves a time of being a "babe" when they will experience Satan's deceptions so as to become "worse than the first" (a man of sin). Every one of the "many" who are called to be saints (Early Rain of the Spirit) will experience this day of evil. No "babe" can avoid it. Only the second coming of Christ with the Latter Rain of the Spirit will restore a fallen away believer to salvation. In this age, only the "few" who are chosen will be blessed to be given Latter Rain of the Spirit. Those not chosen will die in their sins and receive their portion with the unbelievers in the Lake of Fire. No amount of "works" from a believer can change this pathway Christ has established. Christ is the one who does all the works of saving a person and He decides when that day will be for each person. In the end, all will be saved.
Joe

 

[Taken]

Dear Taken,
There is much I could respond to you but you would not be able to receive it.

Your understanding of salvation and how God works within mankind is so mixed with your own works, you are not teachable.

You need the Latter Rain of the Spirit and the healing of your spiritual blindness at accompanies that gift.

You are approaching God by mixing you own works (Old Wine) with the works of Christ (New Wine).

Thanks for sharing your personal and false allegations…I brush them off…

Glory to God,
Taken

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[Taken]

Continued FaithWillDo

Salvation is not an "offer", it is a free gift that Christ will give to all mankind before the ages come to an end. It is not dependent upon any works from mankind.

Joe

Salvation IS an OFFERING, that a man can FREELY TAKE or REJECT…

It began in the GARDEN…whereby Adam was OFFERED trees and herbs from which to freely take and eat, with a warning of a particular tree, including the consequence for what Adam would choose to eat.

Nothing new…same scenario…

Heb 10:
[10] By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

John 6:
[53] Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

Some LIVING men FREELY WILL…Some LIVING men FREELY WILL NOT accept the Lord Gods OFFERING…

The Lord God…does NOT FORCE FEED…Living men…
And Dead men…do not EAT.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[FaithWillDo]

Thanks for sharing your personal and false allegations…I brush them off…

Glory to God,
Taken

Continued

Dear Taken,
The Old Covenant, which is the crooked way of man's works, was given to be our schoolmaster to lead us to Christ who will do all the works of making us righteous before God.

All the Elect will learn this lesson - but before that lesson is learned, they will continue drinking the Old Wine (man's works/religion/Old Covenant) because it is more pleasing to their carnal mind.

Luke 5:39 No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith, The old is better.

Believers who have only been given the Early Rain of the Spirit (who are babes) will still prefer the Old Wine because they remain unconverted and carnally minded. Christ is the one who is responsible for this happening to the babes because it suits His purpose of teaching the babes to completely rely upon Him for all their needs. What you are experiencing at this time is nothing special or different than what all other babes have experienced. I most certainly experienced it before I was converted. It simply cannot be avoided.

Prov 20:24 Man's goings are of the LORD; how can a man then understand his own way?

Jer 10:23 I know, Jehovah, that the way of man is not his own; it is not in a man that walketh to direct his steps.

Joe

 

[Taken]

Dear Taken,
I do not accuse you of anything.

Of course you did…I read it, I simply reject it.

I am only pointing out how Christ saves the Elect.

I do not require a LESSON, for that which I already am, have, possess, given me FROM the Lord God Himself.

He does all the work

He DOES ALL THE WORK He Promises TO DO…

It is a strange IDEA you have for HOW a relationship is ESTABLISHED….”AS IF” it only requires ONE to be invested….and the other is without Choice or Consent.

Uh no.

*** There ARE “works” a man DOES…to GET the Lords ATTENTION ….

* A man Hearing the word of God….
….Faith given from God

* A man BELIEVING IN God and His Word (so sent in the likeness as a man)….
….Blessing given from God

* A man CONFESSING (from his natural spirit in his heart)….
….Gift of the mans SOUL Salvation.

* A man Pledging his bodily life unto death FOR God…
….Gift of Gods SEED to rebirth that mans SPIRIT.

* A man having surrendered his Bodily Life unto God…
….Gift(S) of Forgiveness, Gods indwelling Spirit, covering of that mans sin, No more Remembering of that mans sin, Sanctification (ie separating{ that man exclusively unto the Lord God, Justification that man shall ONLY be resurrected up and unto the Lord God, and Promise to Be with that man FOREVER.

So …YES…establishing a RELATIONSHIP between ONE man and God DOES HAVE…
“Works” input EACH accomplish…for the RELATIONSHIP to actually be Established…
According to Gods Order and Way.

In the end, all will be saved.
Joe

In the END, ALL humans “WHO” accepted Gods Offering shall be saved…

Those men WHO, while ALIVE in their body’s and DIED in their body’s having Rejected Gods OFFERING……..so ALSO ShALL GOD Reject…and DESTROY and REMEMBER no more.

( I have a suspicion of WHY you misunderstand the big picture….and falsely accuse and preach…ALL…including the dead against God shall be saved.)

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

Dear Taken,
The Old Covenant, which is the crooked way of man's works,
Joe

The OLD covenant, was given to ISRAEL…
It was not not “crooked”, nor broadly applies to the Gentiles.

I lived not in that era, nor am of any of the Tribes of Israel…

Jesus came to seek and offer salvation (NOW) unto ISRAEL.

Jesus APPOINTED Jewish men to continue His works.

Jesus APPOINTED half Jew (Saul) and half Gentile (Paul) to preach and teach the Gospel of Jesus Christ to:
Jews, Gentiles and Kings

The OLD Covenant / Laws were NOT destroyed….and of NO effect upon me or my relationship with the Lord God….
OF WHEN and HOW the Lord God shall exercise His Plan and His Power for His People ISRAEL.

I have submitted unto what the Lord God Offered me….in an exclusive one on one Agreement between the Lord God and myself.

The OLD Testament, Covenant, Laws…INCLUDED….another IMPORTANT aspect, which APPLIES to ALL humans from ALL eras….which is expressly…….(aside from the Laws and Statutes……) called PRECEPTS…

So…while the OT Laws were fulfilled…the OT did not become obsolete or unworthy.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[FaithWillDo]

The OLD covenant, was given to ISRAEL…
It was not not “crooked”, nor broadly applies to the Gentiles.

I lived not in that era, nor am of any of the Tribes of Israel…

Jesus came to seek and offer salvation (NOW) unto ISRAEL.

Jesus APPOINTED Jewish men to continue His works.

Jesus APPOINTED half Jew (Saul) and half Gentile (Paul) to preach and teach the Gospel of Jesus Christ to:
Jews, Gentiles and Kings

The OLD Covenant / Laws were NOT destroyed….and of NO effect upon me or my relationship with the Lord God….
OF WHEN and HOW the Lord God shall exercise His Plan and His Power for His People ISRAEL.

I have submitted unto what the Lord God Offered me….in an exclusive one on one Agreement between the Lord God and myself.

The OLD Testament, Covenant, Laws…INCLUDED….another IMPORTANT aspect, which APPLIES to ALL humans from ALL eras….which is expressly…….(aside from the Laws and Statutes……) called PRECEPTS…

So…while the OT Laws were fulfilled…the OT did not become obsolete or unworthy.

Glory to God,
Taken

Dear Taken,
You are still filtering your understanding of scripture your works based belief system rather than faith in Christ. If you can't receive the truth of the scriptures I have presented, showing you additional scripture will not help. I can do nothing more.
Joe

 

[Taken]

Dear Taken,
You are still filtering your understanding of scripture your works based belief system rather than faith in Christ. If you can't receive the truth of the scriptures I have presented, showing you additional scripture will not help. I can do nothing more.
Joe

Filter, Cherry pick, whatever suspect term you choose to use to satisfy your opinion…
IS irrelevant to me…

From the Beginning…God DIVIDED numerous things…including PEOPLE with and PEOPLE without Him…

In what HOW, FASHION, MANNER, God Himself has Chosen to ALLOW, FACILITATE, a JOINING together of Tribesmen and Gentiles is of Gods Election…and every Individuals Election to Accept or Reject Gods Offering and His Order and Way.

And ONCE an individual man, has ACCEPTED Gods Offering, according to His Order and Way….there are NUMEROUS passages IN Scripture….that NO LONGER APPLIES….and NUMEROUS passages IN Scripture that DO APPLY….to such individual…

It is to the individual mans OWN benefit for him to KNOW the Difference, regardless IF others do or not.


Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Fred J]

Apparently, there is no direct quote that Christ tells us that He made Eve to sin.

But there is on the contrary in;

James 1:
12. Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love HIM.
13. Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of GOD: for GOD cannot be tempted by evil, neither tempteth HE any man:
14. But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
15. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
16. Do not err, my beloved brethren.
17. Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the FATHER of Lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

By this we know, Eve was led by her own lust and wisdom, besides GOD's commandment prior did forbid, and predicted the outcome. It is not like the false interpretation of lying man, that Christ hypnotize Eve and made her sin.

GOD is not the creator of evil, but is able to create evil that formed on it's own later and exist, towards the ungodly and disobedient. For in the beginning GOD created everything in the world including man and woman, and declared them as 'very good'.

Ironically to some, Jesus made Adam and Eve, and their descendant to sin. And later He came suffered and died by their hands, to redeem them from their sins.

For it is written, "Oh ye foolish Galatians, who have bewitched you?"

Very well, let's all blame it on GOD then, how convenient for these who today say, black is white and white is black. These are the counterfeits and imposters among us who 'twist' the scripture and teaching.

Clearly GOD commanded and warned Adam, and eventually Adam shared this with Eve. Eve even mentioned to the serpent that, they are not to eat of the fruit, neither shall they touch it, lest they die.

Besides GOD's commandment and warning, Eve saw that the tree was good for food. And it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise. Therefore, she took of it and ate it, and also gave to her husband with her, and he ate of it.

So now let's be like them, blame the devil and each other for one's own action. Even desperately their offspring in this modern age, finally blame GOD for the whole thing.

 

[Fred J]

Ironically to some, Jesus made Adam and Eve, and their descendant to sin. And later He came suffered and died by their hands, to redeem them from their sins.

For it is written, "Oh ye foolish Galatians, who have bewitched you?"

Very well, let's all blame it on GOD then, how convenient for these who today say, black is white and white is black. These are the counterfeits and imposters among us who 'twist' the scripture and teaching.

Clearly GOD commanded and warned Adam, and eventually Adam shared this with Eve. Eve even mentioned to the serpent that, they are not to eat of the fruit, neither shall they touch it, lest they die.

Besides GOD's commandment and warning, Eve saw that the tree was good for food. And it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise. Therefore, she took of it and ate it, and also gave to her husband with her, and he ate of it.

So now let's be like them, blame the devil and each other for one's own action. Even desperately their offspring in this modern age, finally blame GOD for the whole thing.

Similarly with Cain, GOD in the beginning warned and commanded Cain. That sin lie at the door and his desire towards Cain, and Cain should rule over him.

Go down the line, GOD even to the Israelite commanded and warned in the beginning. Likewise in these last days, GOD through HIS only begotten Son commanded and warned the Israelite first, and then the Gentiles.

If we don't study and do the homework, and pass the examination, even in practical, don't blame the Rabboni/Teacher.