Why not Everyone will be Saved

[Duck Muscles]

People are born sinners. Which means we are condemned to answer for our transgressions when we are accountable for our sins.

We do not choose to be sinners.

 

[quietthinker]

People are born sinners. Which means we are condemned to answer for our transgressions when we are accountable for our sins.

We do not choose to be sinners.

You were born into a situation which had nothing to do with you. You were born with the propensity to be self interested above all else, call it selfishness if you like.....and God knows this; he does not condemn you for what you had no say in. He instead provides a solution by giving you (all people) a new representative. Paul presents this Good News in the language of 'in Adam' and 'in Christ' (Romans 5)

 

[Duck Muscles]

You were born into a situation which had nothing to do with you. You were born with the propensity to be self interested above all else, call it selfishness if you like.....and God knows this; he does not condemn you for what you had no say in. He instead provides a solution by giving you (all people) a new representative. Paul presents this Good News in the language of 'in Adam' and 'in Christ' (Romans 5)

You're a Universalist.

I don't think that is able to be sustained by God's teachings.

 

[quietthinker]

You're a Universalist.

I don't think that is able to be sustained by God's teachings.

I am not a Universalist

 

[Duck Muscles]

I am not a Universalist

I see. Perhaps you would share what religion you follow that leads to conclusions contrary to those in this forum.

 

[quietthinker]

I see. Perhaps you would share what religion you follow that leads to conclusions contrary to those in this forum.

I see Jesus as the pivotal point in understanding scripture. He is the bright morning star, the key of David and the one we are instructed to listen to regarding all matters pertaining to God.

 

[Duck Muscles]

I see Jesus as the pivotal point in understanding scripture. He is the bright morning star, the key of David and the one we are instructed to listen to regarding all matters pertaining to God.

Lucifer is referred to by that same title.

 

[quietthinker]

Lucifer is referred to by that same title.

Revelation22:16
'I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.'

 

[Duck Muscles]

Revelation22:16
'I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.'

Isaiah 14
12 "How you are fallen from heaven, O Day Star, son of Dawn! How you are cut down to the ground, you who laid the nations low! 12 “How you are fallen from heaven, O shining star, son of the morning! You have been thrown down to the earth, you who destroyed the nations of the world."

 

[quietthinker]

Isaiah 14
12 "How you are fallen from heaven, O Day Star, son of Dawn! How you are cut down to the ground, you who laid the nations low! 12 “How you are fallen from heaven, O shining star, son of the morning! You have been thrown down to the earth, you who destroyed the nations of the world."

yes, that was Lucifer.

 

[Frosty]

Since a new believer remains spiritually blind (Mark 8:21-25) after receiving the Early Rain of the Spirit, they cannot replace their worldly false beliefs with the truth of Christ.

Can you give me the scripture that talks about "the early rain of the Spirit"?

 

[Frosty]

Here is a great study on this issue..
'Universalism is an appealing notion in some ways, but it goes against the clear teachings of Scripture. We’ve seen throughout this study that the Bible plainly indicates two possible destinies for humankind: life or death, salvation or destruction. The idea that people cast into the lake of fire will eventually be purged of their sins and receive eternal life would make utter nonsense of the Scriptures. Let’s consider a handful of examples:

What the Bible states:


How we’d have to interpret this passage if universalism is true:

“Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it (though they’ll ultimately be purified and blessed with eternal life). But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it (yet everyone else will eventually find it too).”

What the Bible states:


How we’d have to interpret this passage if universalism is true:

“Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell (Gehenna) but He will eventually restore these people and grant them eternal life.”

What the Bible states:


How we’d have to interpret this text if universalism is true:

“Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on him — but he’ll eventually receive eternal life too.”

What the Bible states:


How we’d have to interpret this passage if universalism is true:

“for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear His voice and come out — those who have done good will rise to live, and those who have done evil will rise to be condemned, but the latter will eventually rise to live as well.”

What the Bible states:


How we’d have to interpret this passage if universalism is true:

The one who sows to please the sinful nature from that nature will reap destruction, but will eventually be restored and granted eternal life; the one who sows to please the spirit, from the spirit will reap eternal life.

What the Bible states:


How we’d have to interpret this passage if universalism is true:

There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the One who is able to save and destroy (but He will ultimately restore and redeem those whom He utterly destroys and grant them eternal life).

I could go on and on here. As you can see, the notion of universal salvation renders the Scriptures utterly nonsensical.
Certainly, as 1 Timothy 2:4 points out, God “wants all men to be saved and come to a knowledge of the truth;” in fact, this is the very reason why this section of Scripture encourages believers to offer prayers for “everyone” (see verse 1); but what can God do if people freely choose to reject his offer of reconciliation and eternal life in favor of “sin, which leads to death” (Romans 6:16)? I’ve heard the question: Since God is all-powerful could He create a stone so big that he couldn’t move it? The answer is yes, the human heart.

The reason all people can’t be saved is simply because God respects our freewill choices. He did not create robots, so he can’t force people to choose reconciliation and receive eternal life. People who reject God in favor of sin are choosing death, the wages of sin. So God will ultimately accommodate them. Their fate is really self-destruction—almost suicide—because God is only giving them what their freewill actions justly deserve. Will He enjoy this? Of course not. He doesn’t want “anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance” (2 Peter 3:9).

Another argument that universalists make is that the English words “eternal” and “everlasting” are translated from the Greek word aionios (ayy-OHN-ee-us) which more properly means “age-lasting;” they contend therefore that “eternal punishment” and “everlasting destruction” refer more specifically to ‘punishment that lasts an age’ and ‘destruction that lasts an age.’ Their point is that the punishment and destruction of the ungodly may indeed last an eon of time, but it certainly won’t last forever and ever. They are right about aionios (see Chapter Four) but there are two obvious problems with this argument: 1. “The age to come” spoken of in the Bible (e.g. Mark 10:29-30) is a perpetual age (itself made up of ages according to Ephesians 2:7) and therefore God’s age-lasting punishment of utter destruction will last perpetually. 2. God’s age-lasting punishment of age-lasting destruction is always spoken of in direct contrast to the age-lasting life that God will grant the righteous (e.g. Matthew 25:46), since the age-lasting life that God grants the righteous refers to perpetuity in the eternal age to come we must conclude that the age-lasting destruction of the ungodly will be just as eternal.

There’s no getting around it, universalism is simply incompatible with clear biblical teaching and is therefore not a valid option to consider.

Yet universalism is a popular view held by a growing number of Christians throughout the world. What spurs so many to embrace this erroneous view? The answer is obvious…

For various reasons most of these people have overlooked the doctrine of literal everlasting destruction. Because of religious tradition they naturally assume two erroneous things: 1. that people can never cease to exist because they have “immortal souls,” and 2. that “hell” must refer to never-ending fiery conscious torment. The latter assumption, as already covered, is the ultimate evil—the worst conceivable concept. It is so profoundly disturbing that these people feel they have no recourse but to reject the idea of eternal damnation altogether. Once the idea of hell is discarded the only option left is universalism. The problem with this is that, in accepting universalism, these people are rejecting the authority of God’s Word, which clearly teaches that many are doomed to be cast into the lake of fire to suffer the second death. Rejecting the authority of the Holy Scriptures can lead to nothing but spiritual degeneration and apostasy.

Literal everlasting destruction is the sound medium between the two extremes of eternal torture and universalism. Eternal torture is ridiculously too severe, yet universalism is ridiculously too lenient. Eternal torture is sadistic, immoral and unjust, yet universalism suggests that people can do whatever wicked thing their evil hearts desire and still ultimately be blessed with everlasting life and reconciliation. This would of course make universalism unjust as well. Both these extremes should be rejected in favor of everlasting destruction—the balanced, acceptable, reasonable and scriptural view on the matter......'

I have a different interpretation of the two gates in Mat:7:13-14.

Those that go into the wide gate are the disobedient Israel, who believe in God, but are blinded to see the truth. They have the promise of an eternal inheritance, but are going about teaching false doctrines that leads to destruction, and the strait gate that leads to an abundant life of peace and contentment without fear are the remnant of Israel, who trust in the Lord (Zeph 3:10-13) (Ezk 10:10)

 

[Ziggy]

Jas 5:7
Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early and latter rain.

Hos 6:3
Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth.


Deu 32:1
Give ear, O ye heavens, and I will speak; and hear, O earth, the words of my mouth.
Deu 32:2
My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass:
Deu 32:3
Because I will publish the name of the LORD: ascribe ye greatness unto our God.
Deu 32:4
He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.
Deu 32:5
They have corrupted themselves, their spot is not the spot of his children: they are a perverse and crooked generation.
Deu 32:6
Do ye thus requite the LORD, O foolish people and unwise? is not he thy father that hath bought thee? hath he not made thee, and established thee?
Deu 32:7
Remember the days of old, consider the years of many generations: ask thy father, and he will shew thee; thy elders, and they will tell thee.
Deu 32:8
When the most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.
Deu 32:9
For the LORD'S portion is his people; Jacob is the lot of his inheritance.

their spot is not the spot of his children.
oh foolish people and unwise, is he not thy father that hath baught thee? hath he not made thee?

There are spots and there are spots. There are seals and there are seals.

Everyone understands scriptures according to their own understanding.
Have you ever watch Washington Journal on C-Span in the morning? It's a political call in show that asks a question and people call in from different political views to share their opinions.
I have heard people from all walks of life claim they are christians. And then you listen to them, and think to yourself, this aint no christian.
Because they have no tolerance of others, many are hypocrites calling in ranting about the "other" hateful people, while at the same time spewing out hate. It's an amazing thing to watch. Ye shall know them by their fruit.

fruit, spot, seal.. all the same.

God shows mercy on sinners when they are willing to make a change and follow him.
Those who choose to walk a different path have made their choice.
I believe as the day approaches we will see a lot of last minute thieves on the cross confessing and seeking salvation.
But many won't. The same way the Pharisees and Saducees and Romans and others chose to attack his followers rather than take up their cross and follow.

Will God show mercy on the ones who turn him away, or rather on the ones who turn back to him?
How can one be forgiven if he doesn't seek forgiveness?
If all mankind was to be saved, then why only 8 souls saved in Noah's day?
Why didn't God make an acception then?

Because some vessels were created for wrath and destruction and some were created for mercy and forgiveness.

Some people have no souls. There is nothing there to save. And you see them more and more today mingling and walking among us.
What happened to all the people that drowned in Noah's day? What about the sons of God and the giants that corrupted God's way on the earth? If they choose to remain on that path will God have mercy on them?
Mercy is forgiveness, and one must seek it to recieve it.

Rev 11:18
And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

So the dead, whether physical or spiritual will eventually be judged.
Those without law and those under the law. And each will recieve his reward of belief and understanding and faith they put in God.
But those who have none of these and seek to destroy what God has created.. knowingly and unwilling to change..
Their fate is in their own hands according to verse 18.

We can pray. We should pray.
Time is short.

Hugs

 

[FaithWillDo]

Can you give me the scripture that talks about "the early rain of the Spirit"?

Dear Frosty,
Here are two key scriptures concerning the Early and Latter Rains:

James 5:7 Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the farmer waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receives the EARLY and LATTER RAIN. 8 Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh.

Hos 6:3 Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the RAIN, as the Latter and Former (Early) RAIN unto the earth.

The Early and Latter Rains concept is a part of the farming analogy which teaches the pathway to salvation.

The pathway begins when Christ spiritually comes to a person and gives them the Early Rain of the Spirit. The Early Rain is also called the "Spirit of Faith" (2Cor 4:13) because it is what gives an unbeliever the faith they need to accept Jesus as their Lord. Included with the Spirit of Faith, the new believer will receive certain spiritual gifts.

However, the Early Rain of the Spirit is only given in a small measure:

Job 37:6 For he saith to the snow, Be thou on the earth; likewise to the small rain (Early Rain), and to the great rain (Latter Rain) of his strength.

Joel 2:23 Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in Jehovah your God; for he giveth you the former rain (Early Rain) in just measure, and he causes to come down for you the rain, the former rain and the latter rain, in the first month.

Because the Early Rain of the Spirit is only given in measure, it will not heal the new believer's spiritual blindness. This truth is taught by the healing of the blind man in Mark 8:15-25 and by Paul's conversion experience in Acts chapter 9. And since the believer cannot receive the truth of Christ, judgment will not fall on them to destroy their carnality. As a result, the believer remains unconverted.

With the new believer in this weak spiritual state, Satan will come to them and deceive them (Mat 12:43-45 & the Parable of the Wheat and the Tares). It happens to every new believer shortly after they are called out from the world and have entered the church.

Note: At the time the NT letters were written, the spirit of anti-Christ had not come into the churches yet. Because the apostasy had not come, the new believers in the churches the Apostles started did not fall away. But shortly after Paul's death, the spirit of anti-Christ did come into the churches and none of the flock was spared (Acts 20:29-31).

Christ said this about the time the spirt of anti-Christ would come into the churches:

Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

After a new believer falls away and becomes a "man of sin", they will remain in that fallen away condition until they die UNLESS they are one of the Elect. For the Elect, Christ will spiritually come to them a second time and will pour out the Latter Rain of the Spirit. This is the true meaning of the second coming of Christ. The second coming is not a one-time event that happens at the literal end of the age.

This Latter Rain of the Spirit is also called the baptism of the Spirit and was what the Apostles received on the Day of Pentecost & what Paul received after being in Damascus for three days.

Consider what these two verses below say about the spiritual condition of the believer who is waiting on the Lord to come with the Latter Rain:

Psa 68:9 Thou, O God, didst send a plentiful RAIN (Latter Rain), whereby thou didst confirm thine inheritance (as one of the Elect), when it was WEARY.

Jer 3:3 Therefore the showers have been withholden, and there hath been no Latter Rain; and thou hadst a whore's forehead, thou refusedst to be ashamed.

Also, since the second coming of Christ is a reoccurring event in the life of each Elect person, scripture says this about the second coming of Christ:

Rev 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for THE TIME IS AT HAND.

Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Rev 22:7 Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.

The book of Revelation is not a prophecy about one-time world events which happen at the literal end of the age. It is a prophecy that teaches reoccurring spiritual events that will occur in the life of each Elect believer as they travel the pathway to salvation. All end-time prophecy is teaching this same truth about the pathway to salvation. For that reason, I frequently quote from Matthew chapter 24.

Paul's conversion experience is a "type" that teaches the pathway to salvation the Elect must travel (1Tim 1:16). In that story recorded in Acts chapter 9, the Early and Latter Rains of the Spirit are shown.

The story begins as Paul was traveling the Damascus Road on his way to persecute the church in Damascus. But all that changed for Paul when the Lord "suddenly" (Mal 3:1) came to Paul (God's temple). It was at that time that Paul received the Early Rain of the Spirit and called Jesus Lord. Paul then submitted to Jesus' authority and asked Christ what He wanted him to do. Since Paul's spiritual blindness was not healed when he received the Early Rain, Paul had to ask who the voice was that was speaking to him. Paul's physical blindness also typed his spiritual blindness. After this event, Paul was now a called out believer and had entered the church.

After Paul arrived in Damascus, he remained blind and unable to eat or drink. This represents the spiritual state of all new believers who (like Paul) cannot eat the true bread from heaven or drink the New Wine of Christ. Also, Paul was staying at the house of a man named Judas to represent that Paul had become a man of sin and had fallen away. The number three represents the spiritual process that Paul went through to become a man of sin.

When the Lord was ready to come to Paul a second time, the Lord caused Paul to pray. Though the story does not say what Paul's prayer was about, Paul was most likely repenting and praying for understanding about what had just happened to him. To give Paul His answer, Christ (typed by Ananias) travelled to Paul on a street named "straight" (types that Christ's pathway was made straight by Paul's faith). When Ananias arrived, Paul received the Latter Rain and the scales fell from Paul's eyes. After Paul received his spiritual meat (truth), Paul was strengthened.

Consider the Apostles; they were given the Early Rain of the Spirit when they walked with Jesus in the flesh. It was at that time that they called Jesus "Lord" and put their faith in Him. Since "no man can call Jesus Lord but by the Holy Spirit" (1Cor 12:3), the Apostles had to have received the Early Rain of the Spirit before Christ was crucified (though scripture does specifically state it). Then on the Day of Pentecost, the Apostles received the Latter Rain of the Spirit and were converted.

James teaches using the farming analogy. And as James said, it takes both the Early and Latter Rains for the harvest to be ready. The harvest is mankind. In this age, Christ is only harvesting the "first fruits" (the Elect). No one else will be harvested. In the final age, the harvest at year's end will save the rest of mankind (every person who has ever lived).

James 1:18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

Exo 23:16 And the feast of harvest, the firstfruits of thy labors (the Elect harvested in this age), which thou hast sown in the field: and the feast of ingathering, which is in the end of the year (the balance of mankind harvested in the final age), when thou hast gathered in thy labors out of the field.

The apostate churches do not understand the Early and Latter Rain concept and rarely try to teach anything about it. I know that the Pentecostal churches teach a version of the Latter Rain but it is false and is not what I teach.

One more point: Paul taught the Early Rain of the Spirit with the marriage analogy. In that analogy, the Early Rain of the Spirit is the equivalent to when an unbeliever becomes engaged to Christ:

2Cor 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

If you have any questions, please ask.

Joe

 

[Hobie]

I have a different interpretation of the two gates in Mat:7:13-14.

Those that go into the wide gate are the disobedient Israel, who believe in God, but are blinded to see the truth. They have the promise of an eternal inheritance, but are going about teaching false doctrines that leads to destruction, and the strait gate that leads to an abundant life of peace and contentment without fear are the remnant of Israel, who trust in the Lord (Zeph 3:10-13) (Ezk 10:10)

One leads to death and destruction, the other leads to life and eternity with God, its that simple.

 

[Jethro2]

There is a false doctrine that teaches all people will be saved, that a good and loving God would not allow any to perish.

That's right.
So, then, why debate a false doctrine ? Those people whoever believe a false doctrine, have their own chosen leaders they follow. If they repented of believing a false doctrine, they would have to give up their chosen leader and find someone else to follow.

 

[FaithWillDo]

One leads to death and destruction, the other leads to life and eternity with God, its that simple.

Dear Hobie,
Christ's work of saving 100% of mankind is not simple - if it were, you would understand the plan that Christ established to accomplish the mission that His Father sent Him to accomplish:

1John 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Savior of the world.

Your beliefs and teachings make Christ out to be a failure and a sinner (one who misses the mark set by God).

Where is your faith in Christ to accomplish everything that Christ has sworn He would accomplish, even if you don't understand how He will accomplish it?

1Tim 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior; 4 who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Even the OT prophets testified to the truth that Christ will save all mankind:

Isa 45:22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. 23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, that unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

Paul repeated this scripture below:

Phi 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee shall bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 and that every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

And as God's Word also says, no man can call Jesus "Lord" unless they have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit:

1Cor 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Spirit.

Don't you know that faith is about believing the truth of what Christ has said to us through scripture? And that FAITH is what makes the pathway straight for Christ to come to us a second time to pour out the Holy Spirit (Latter Rain/Spirit of Truth) and convert us from being a condemned child of the Devil into an immortal child of God?

Look at the faith of the centurion in the scripture below:

Mat 8:5 And when Jesus was entered into Capernaum, there came unto him a centurion, beseeching him, 6 And saying, Lord, my servant lieth at home sick of the palsy, grievously tormented. 7 And Jesus saith unto him, I will come and heal him. 8 The centurion answered and said, Lord, I am not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof: but speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed. 9 For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this man, Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth it. 10 When Jesus heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.

This story is a "type" which teaches about faith and how it relates to mankind's salvation. The centurion did not know how Christ would heal (save) his servant but that did not stop the centurion from believing that Christ could do it.

Is your faith less than the faith of the centurion? I believe it is.

If you don't have enough faith to believe the scriptures I quoted above, you should pray for more faith because our faith is a gift from God and does not come from within ourselves:

Eph 2:8 Eph 2:8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—

Luke 11:9 And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you. 10 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. 11 If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent? 12 Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? 13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

Joe

 

[12question]

I have a different interpretation of the two gates in Mat:7:13-14.

Those that go into the wide gate are the disobedient Israel, who believe in God, but are blinded to see the truth. They have the promise of an eternal inheritance, but are going about teaching false doctrines that leads to destruction, and the strait gate that leads to an abundant life of peace and contentment without fear are the remnant of Israel, who trust in the Lord (Zeph 3:10-13) (Ezk 10:10)

Are you saying that as Jesus came to His own people, the lost sheep of Israel, His teaching reflected that?

Where as many interprete them as Gentiles, relating His teachings to them to include Gentiles.

 

[12question]

Dear Hobie,
Christ's work of saving 100% of mankind is not simple - if it were, you would understand the plan that Christ established to accomplish the mission that His Father sent Him to accomplish:

1John 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Savior of the world.

Your beliefs and teachings make Christ out to be a failure and a sinner (one who misses the mark set by God).

Where is your faith in Christ to accomplish everything that Christ has sworn He would accomplish, even if you don't understand how He will accomplish it?

1Tim 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior; 4 who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Even the OT prophets testified to the truth that Christ will save all mankind:

Isa 45:22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. 23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, that unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

Paul repeated this scripture below:

Phi 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee shall bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 and that every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

And as God's Word also says, no man can call Jesus "Lord" unless they have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit:

1Cor 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Spirit.

Don't you know that faith is about believing the truth of what Christ has said to us through scripture? And that FAITH is what makes the pathway straight for Christ to come to us a second time to pour out the Holy Spirit (Latter Rain/Spirit of Truth) and convert us from being a condemned child of the Devil into an immortal child of God?

Look at the faith of the centurion in the scripture below:

Mat 8:5 And when Jesus was entered into Capernaum, there came unto him a centurion, beseeching him, 6 And saying, Lord, my servant lieth at home sick of the palsy, grievously tormented. 7 And Jesus saith unto him, I will come and heal him. 8 The centurion answered and said, Lord, I am not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof: but speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed. 9 For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this man, Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth it. 10 When Jesus heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.

This story is a "type" which teaches about faith and how it relates to mankind's salvation. The centurion did not know how Christ would heal (save) his servant but that did not stop the centurion from believing that Christ could do it.

Is your faith less than the faith of the centurion? I believe it is.

If you don't have enough faith to believe the scriptures I quoted above, you should pray for more faith because our faith is a gift from God and does not come from within ourselves:

Eph 2:8 Eph 2:8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—

Luke 11:9 And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you. 10 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. 11 If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent? 12 Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? 13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

Joe

Thanks Joe. What a hope we have in a thoughtful loving Creator. That He will gather all to Himself and enjoy us throughout His never ending existence.
I can't wait to be perfected and to become a fully functioning pleasure generating being unto my Creators Who said, let Us make man in Our own image.

Oh to experience completeness, when Christ is fully formed in us.

We may very well hear our Father say, These are My beloved sons and daughters in whom I am well pleased.

Glory to our Creators Who do ALL things well.

 

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Are you saying that as Jesus came to His own people, the lost sheep of Israel, His teaching reflected that?

Where as many interprete them as Gentiles, relating His teachings to them to include Gentiles.

Why not Everyone will be Saved​

A Saviour is only a Saviour if he saves.
Those who drown do so because they didn't want saving. How is that? They were persuaded their Saviour couldn't save them and pushed him away.