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WITCHCRAFT IN TODAY'S CHURCH.

Discussion in 'The Church Forum' started by Truman, Aug 29, 2020.

  1. john t

    john t Member

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    Wanna let the rest of us in on the meaning of that acronym, NLP?
     
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    You seem to be having a misunderstanding of the term "intercessory prayer".

    Enoch111 was correct in his quote from ISBE for "witchcraft", but the way you expressed it, you seem be calling intercessory prayer for an unbeliever's salvation akin to witchcraft. Therefore, I am giving you an opportunity to clarify what you intended to mean in that quote.
     
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    Neuro-linguistic programming (NLP) is a psychological approach that involves analyzing strategies used by successful individuals and applying them to reach a personal goal. It relates thoughts, language, and patterns of behavior learned through experience to specific outcomes.
     
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    john t Member

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    This seems rather new-age hocus pocus. It also is a violation of Godwin's (unofficial law, blaming Nazis for anything) because it began in 1025

    Musical notes are rather mathematical, and A is the tuning standard to which all other instruments in the band, or orchestra are tuned to. If each instrument has its A resonating at the same frequency, then for example when the guitar is tuned, the player makes the other 5 strings resonate at the same frequency as s/he presses on the frets (A 440 hrtz) then the entire guitar is in tune.

    The horn players, and the woodwinds each make the same type of adjustments in their instruments, and the entire ensemble plays the same note at the same time, and no instrument is flat of sharp.

    Actually, most non-musicians are unaware that music is quite mathematical. Look at this formula.

    Definitions and Formulas
    The basic formula to calculate frequencies of musical notes of the equal-tempered scale:

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    where

    fn is the frequency of the note, which is n semitones (or half steps) away from the standard pitch A440;

    f0 is the frequency of a fixed note, which is used as a standard for tuning. It is usually a standard (also called concert) pitch of 440 Hz, which is called A440 or note A in the one-line (or fourth) octave (A4).
    (I do not remember the source. Sorry, no foot note)

    Before standardization on 440 Hz, many countries and organizations followed the French standard since the 1860s of 435 Hz, which had also been the Austrian government's 1885 recommendation.[2] Johann Heinrich Scheibler recommended A440 as a standard in 1834 after inventing the "tonometer" to measure pitch,[3] and it was approved by the Gesellschaft Deutscher Naturforscher und Ärzte [de] the same year.[4]

    The American music industry reached an informal standard of 440 Hz in 1926, and some began using it in instrument manufacturing.

    In 1936, the American Standards Association recommended that the A above middle C be tuned to 440 Hz.[5] This standard was taken up by the International Organization for Standardization in 1955 (reaffirmed by them in 1975) as ISO 16.[6]

    It is designated A4 in scientific pitch notation because it occurs in the octave that starts with the fourth C key on a standard 88-key piano keyboard. On MIDI, it is note 69.​

    from A440 (pitch standard) - Wikipedia.

    Please note that it was the AMERICANS and not the Nazis who were behind this change, and it happened before the Nazis came into power.

    Using notation is about as old as music itself, but for our purposes we’re going to start in the year of 1025. If you were a peasant subsisting on unseasoned cabbage, it was probably a terrible year. If you were one of the wealthy, castled minorities it was probably a good year. But if you were a monk, teaching your choir some new chants, 1025 would prove to be a downright stellar year. That was around the time a monk named Guido moved to a Tuscan city called Arezzo. Thus history has named him Guido of Arezzo.

    We don’t have a ton of information concerning Guido of Arrezo’s biographical details, but that really doesn’t matter when you think about what he did. Guido contributed greatly to Western Europe’s ability to express itself musically. He organized pitches into groups called hexachords (think of them like a scale) and pretty much invented solfege (“do-re-mi-fa…”). And he advanced a method for notating those concepts more accurately. It was huge.

    Before Guido’s time, liturgical music was (and still is) notated using markers called neumes. If you were learning a chant, you’d get some parchment with the words, and above them you’d see neumes that would slide up, or down, or twist or turn. That was your sheet music. Neumes wouldn’t tell you which note to sing, exactly; rather, they would simply indicate the contour of the melody. If a line above a word rises? Raise the pitch. Yeah, it was hard back then.
    from How Was Musical Notation Invented? A Brief History | How To Classical | WQXR
    Now you can see why I posted as I did. BTW the video cited no source material. The unsophisticated viewer is supposed to believe it because as we all know, everything on the Internet is true. :p
     
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    Thanks.

    It seems to be reminiscent of the books of Steven Covey and of Dale Carnegie, which all say in one way or another, "follow me and be a success in business"
     
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    Neuro-Linguistic Programing

    :)
     
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    True, witchcraft is not openly practiced in any Christian church, but it's practiced regularly by MANY who use chemical contraceptives. The contraceptive mentality is evil of the same root as abortion. It is, IMO, the great deception because MOST Christians of any stripe are contracepting. That is one reason the world, the flesh and the devil hates the Catholic Church so much, and in doing so tries to discredit her moral authority, to achieve its diabolical ends. (follow the money)

    Malachi 2:14 – marriage is not a contract (which is a mere exchange of property or services). It is a covenant, which means a supernatural exchange of persons. Just as God is three in one, so are a husband and wife, who become one flesh and bring forth new life, three in one. Marital love is a reflection of the Blessed Trinity.

    Malachi 2:15 – What does God desire? Godly offspring. What is contraception? A deliberate act against God’s will. With contraception, a couple declares, “God may want an eternal being created with our union, but we say no.” Contraception is a grave act of selfishness.

    Ephesians 5:25 – Paul instructs husbands to love their wives as Christ loved the Church, by giving his entire body to her and holding nothing back. With contraception, husbands tell their wives, "I love you except your fertility, and you can have me except for my fertility." This love is a lie because it is self-centered, and not self-giving and life-giving.

    Revelation 9:21
    Revelation 21:8
    Revelation 22:15
    Galatians 5:20
    These verses mention the word “sorcery.” The Greek word is “pharmakeia” which includes abortifacient potions such as birth control pills. These pharmakeia are mortally sinful. Moreover, chemical contraception does not necessarily prevent conception, but may actually kill the child in the womb after conception has occurred (by preventing the baby from attaching to the uterine wall). Contraception is a lie that has deceived millions, but the Church is holding her arms open wide to welcome back her children who have strayed from the truth

    Little girls do not grow up dreaming of hopping from bed to bed and contraception. They dream of a man who will sweep them off their feet and love them forever, and of having his many children. A cynicism born of the sexual revolution has brought emptiness to the hearts, wombs and lives of far too many modern women. This emptiness and pain can be avoided or redeemed and healed by the love of Christ and adherence to His teachings. The Catholic Church believes in such dreams because God wrote them on the human heart. And there are men who long for such a woman to love and cherish.

    Real lovers want to give without reserve in God's own superabundance creating more hearts and lives to love. Contraception is like kissing through a screen door and real love cannot tolerate obstacles. Contraception breeds selfishness and separation that drives a wedge between husband and wife that kills love. Real lovers want their love to explode into the posterity of future generations for all eternity. This is the kind of passion and fulfillment God wants for His children. Contraception limits what should be boundless. It spits in the face of this glorious passion and love's true abandon; and that is why it is a sin. It seeks to "tame" love, thus killing it. The Catholic Church is the last bastion on earth of true romance.(true romance is found outside the walls of the Catholic Church) The modern world has suffocated love and made sex a thing of deadness.

    HUMANAE VITAE
    TO THE CLERGY AND FAITHFUL OF THE WHOLE CATHOLIC WORLD, AND
    TO ALL MEN OF GOOD WILL,
    ON THE REGULATION OF BIRTH


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    It's not weird to me. I minister to alcoholics and addicts who use their addiction as an excuse to be addicts.
     
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    Good for you. I also don't think it's weird.
     
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    I understand that if I poise my will against another to pressure them to do or think something they don't want to, I am using witchcraft. I think we all do it. But what does the Lord say about such things?
    Control and manipulation is not how the Lord does things.
     
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    Its God's will for everyone to believe in Jesus, and be born again.

    The Carnal nature in a person is "anti" this, as they are mind blinded by the Devil. So, their "will" is the will of THEIR Father, who Jesus said is... "you are of YOUR FATHER THE DEVIL".
    So, this mind = will never want God's will., and this is why we Pray GOD's will be done....for THEM.

    And what is that will of God? Its that they believe in Jesus and be born again.
     
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    I don't understand why some people have such a hard time understanding that God has given us a free will. Instead of agreeing, I hear things like, "It's God's will that people be saved."
    It seems like some don't want others to have a free will.
    Like I said, I don't get it. Perhaps we use the same words to mean different things.
    I thought one would understand that I meant, "Apart from God's will." As my Dad would've said, "I see what thought did."
    Do people not use the word, "Given," anymore?
     
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    I'm in the midst of a bunch of corrupt legalists.
     
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    The reason that God calls a person to become, say, a Teaching Evangelist, (like me) is so that they can carry out the will of God on earth as their Ministry.
    The will of God is that everyone would come to the knowledge of the Truth, and this is Jesus.....as Jesus is THE Truth .. John 14:6.

    The problem that is keeping all humans from this TRUTH, who is CHRIST.... is this..

    = "In whom the god of this world ( SATAN) hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.""

    Now, notice that SATAN is keeping those described in the VERSE (all unbelievers and the religious deceived) from the LIGHT shining into them.
    And this LIGHT< is JESUS, ""who is the LIGHT OF THE WORLD."""

    So, God sends believers into the world to share the Gospel with those who are spiritually dead, religious but lost, = mind blinded by Satan.
    This "preaching of the Cross", which is the sharing of the Gospel, is "the power of GOD, unto Salvation" for all who believe.
    The BELIEVING, is to come out of Satanic Blindness, and into the Light of the Glory of God's Redemption, who IS Jesus The LIGHT.

    And your bible says : """how can they believe unless they HEAR, and how can the Hear unless someone tells them.""
    "Faith comes by HEARING, and Hearing by the word of God" that is PREACHED AND SHARED BY BELIEVERS.

    So, your issue, Truman, is that you are totally disconnected from what i just wrote, and what i just wrote is describing why a person is going to hell and HOW this can be resolved so that they instead become born again.

    There is nothing "legalistic" about preaching to the Lost, and for you to think that this is Legalism, is well beyond ridiculous.
    It is in fact, nonsense.
     
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    WITCH CRAFT IN TODAY'S CHURCH?
    Business as usual?
     
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    We argue so much over semantics it is pitiful. It is God's will that everyone would come to Him and be saved, but He does not force the will of others to compel them to do so. But the devil will certainly be happy to force the will if it is not turned over, in safe keeping, to God. If enough people read this, some will surely find fault with it, even if only the way I have worded it. [​IMG]
     
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    That's what I was trying to say on the Calvin thread. I think you said it better. :)
     
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