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WITCHCRAFT IN TODAY'S CHURCH.

Discussion in 'The Church Forum' started by Truman, Aug 29, 2020.

  1. Yan

    Yan Active Member

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    Are these musical worship today was also the sign of Babylonian ?

    Revelation 18:22
    And the voice of harpers and minstrels and flute-players and trumpeters shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft, shall be found any more at all in thee; and the voice of a mill shall be heard no more at all in thee;
     
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    marks Well-Known Member

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    I remember one of Resurrection Band's albums, there was a little blip of obvious backwards speech. So when we spun the record backwards . . . "Why are you looking for the devil, when you ought to be looking for the light?"
     
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    Hidden In Him Well-Known Member

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    Yes. You're standing there thinking, "If I were 'singing it like I mean it'....

    Here we go:
    "Lord, you know I love you so...
    Get us a new worship leader,
    Cuz this guy's really gotta go..."

    I'd tell everybody I only spoke Spanish, so I need a translator and some really thick headphones.


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  4. marks

    marks Well-Known Member

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    I don't think you read my posts all that carefully.
     
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  5. marks

    marks Well-Known Member

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    Care to ennumerate? Or to renunciate?
     
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    Yan Active Member

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    Maybe those backwards were intended, because when we had walked with Holy Spirit, we also walked in the middle of cyclone that move backwards. When I was started to lived in Holy Spirit 9 years ago all those musical lyrics that had listened before suddenly becomes alive and intimidating. Could it be those backwards sound in music was meant to implant those nasty words into our consciousness ?
     
  7. marks

    marks Well-Known Member

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    If you're going to be eating this stuff, you'd better pray first!

    :)
     
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  8. marks

    marks Well-Known Member

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    I don't think so.

    There are plenty of musicians leading worship in the Bible.

    Much love!
     
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    Why is it that all Catholics only want to talk about the Eucharist, and Mary the Queen of their imagination?
    Oh thats right, its called "brainwashing", by a CULT.
    The CULT of MARY.
     
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    It's God's will that she come to Him. I ask Him to draw her to Him, to woo her. He doesn't force us, He convinces us. I remember the summer of 1988. I worked on my brother's farm. One day I was out in the field feeding the livestock. It was a beautiful day and the sky was blue. I slowly started to sense a drawing or a yearning. I stopped and looked up at the sky but I didn't understand what was happening. He was drawing me to Him. He was very respectful. Who am I that God would respect me? That's how He is. That's how He treats us. He loves us. Two years later I had joined a church and was practising with the worship team. What a wonderful God we have. Shalom.
     
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    Truman Well-Known Member

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    I had a friend once that was Wiccan. Not once did I sense anything untoward between us. I accepted him. He accepted me. He knew what I believed. He expected me to reject him but I didn't. We were friends.
    He moved to another town. He visited me several times. He had a serious health issue. I think that's why he stopped coming to visit.
    My understanding of witchcraft is any attempt to coerce or manipulate someone to do something they normally wouldn't do. When I am submitted to God, I can easily pray His will. If I'm bitter against someone and I'm ignoring God by not forgiving, I am rebelling against Him. A bad place to be. Rebellion is as witchcraft. It moves from being God's will to being my will. It happens. I believe that the recipient can be oppressed by demons through this. Forgiveness from the heart is a must. Shalom.
     
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  12. Yan

    Yan Active Member

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    I think this following video is the correct answer.

     
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    amadeus Well-Known Member

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    Indeed!

    "Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much." James 5:16

    The "righteous man" will pray according to God's will and sometimes as a result closed doors will be opened for another person. But... our prayers, even if we be righteous, will not force anyone to walk through that door.

    We may have a friend or family member who is an atheist, or an agnostic, or simply has no interest in approaching God. Our prayers in the right Spirit, will not coerce them, but through the power of God allow such a person to see what he is missing. If he then decides not to walk through the door toward God, it is an informed choice and his final result is not received in complete ignorance.
     
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    NLP? taught in some seminaries.
     
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    :eek:

    Someone besides me has heard of NLP?

    But no, that's something different. This is more "words of power" spoken to cause things external to one's self. Also other methods.

    Much love!
     
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    The most Biblically defined witchcraft that has been brought into the church is Law based Christianity.

    Paul called the "Judaiser brethren" that did this to the Galatian saints, witches".("who hath bewitched you?"
     
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    and @Ron Coates

    When I read Ron's post, what I thought of regarding preachers are the manipulators for money, called extortioners.

    1 Cor. 5:
    11 But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner—not even to eat with such a person.

    They may teach we are not under law, but under grace - EXCEPT when it comes to the law on tithes. Then it is mandatory.
     
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    Enoch111 Well-Known Member

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    This is an exact quotation from your OP: "If I inject my will into the prayer by asking God to do something against the person's will, this is poising my will against another's free will. It stems from the carnal nature and never carries out God's plan for the person. This, in a nutshell, is witchcraft."
    And this in a nutshell is baloney.

    International Standard Bible Encyclopedia
    WITCH; WITCHCRAFT
    wich, wich'-kraft:

    1. Meaning and Use of the Words:

    The word "witch" seems to denote etymologically "one that knows." it is historically both masculine and feminine; indeed the Anglo-Saxon form wicca, to which the English word is to be traced, is masculine alone. "Wizard" is given as masculine for witch, but it has in reality no connection with it. Wright (English Dialect Dictionary, VII, 521) says he never heard an uneducated person speak of wizard. When this word is used by the people it denotes, he says, a person who undoes the work of a witch. Shakespeare often uses "witch" of a male (compare Cymbeline, I, 6, l. 166: "He is.... a witch"). In Wycliff's translation of Acts 8:9 Simon Magus is called "a witch" ("wicche"). Since the 13th century the word "witch" has come more and more to denote a woman who has formed a compact with the Devil or with evil spirits, by whose aid she is able to cause all sorts of injury to living beings and to things. The term "witchcraft" means in modern English the arts and practices of such women.

    2. Biblical Usage:

    Since the ideas we attach to "witch" and "witchcraft" were unknown in Bible times, the words have no right place in our English Bible, and this has been recognized to some extent but not completely by the Revisers of 1884. The word "witch" occurs twice in the King James Version, namely, (1) in Exodus 22:18, "Thou shalt not suffer a witch (the Revised Version (British and American) "a sorceress") to live"; (2) in Deuteronomy 18:10, "or a witch" (the Revised Version (British and American) "or a sorcerer"). The Hebrew word is in both cases the participle of the verb (kishsheph), denoting "to practice the magical article." See MAGIC, V, 2. In the first passage, however, the feminine ending (-ah) is attached, but this ending denotes also one of a class and (on the contrary) a collection of units; see Kautzsch, Hebrew Grammar 28, section 122,s,t.

    The phrase "the witch of Endor" occurs frequently in literature, and especially in common parlance, but it is not found in the English Bible. The expression has come from the heading and summary of the King James Version, both often so misleading. In 1 Samuel 28, where alone the character is spoken of, English Versions of the Bible translates the Hebrew 'esheth ba`alath 'obh by "a woman that hath a familiar spirit." A literal rendering would be "a woman who is mistress of an 'obh or ghost," i.e. one able to compel the departed spirit to return and to answer certain questions. This woman was therefore a necromancer, a species of diviner (see DIVINATION, IV; ENDOR, WITCH OF; FAMILIAR), and not what the term "witch" imports.

    The word "witchcraft" occurs thrice in the King James Version in 1 Samuel 15:23, "the sin of witchcraft" should be as in the Revised Version margin, "the sin of divination," the latter representing the Hebrew word qecem, generally translated "divination".

    So in view of this you are the one who should be retracting your false accusation, which also totally changes the meaning of witchcraft to accommodate your bias.
     
  19. marks

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    Um . . . not my OP . . .

    :)
     
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    My goodness those 18 minute songs with one line. Yes!!!
     
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