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I have read that. It makes the strongest argument for true, God ordained human sexuality and makes a strong case for abandoning the evils of contraception.Tex said:Read "theology of the body". Pope JPii started talking about sex in the 50s. And he didn't really stop.
aspen said:i really wish christians would take the lead on the differences between sexual desire in men and women - in would go a long way in preserving and nuturing marriage - instead we model marriage after a 2000 Year old snapshot it is a real shame. we could save so many marriages
Let me guess ...you Googled ''Why slavery is evil''.....''OT slavery sux'''.....''OT slavery is of the devil''.......''Atheists views on OT slavery''.....''Muslim view on OT slavery''....River Jordan said:1. Well the OT makes a significant distinction between Hebrew slaves, and non-Hebrew slaves.
Lev. 25: 39 “‘If any of your fellow Israelites become poor and sell themselves to you, do not make them work as slaves. 40 They are to be treated as hired workers or temporary residents among you; they are to work for you until the Year of Jubilee. 41 Then they and their children are to be released, and they will go back to their own clans and to the property of their ancestors.
Ok, not so bad right?
Lev. 25: 4 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.
2. Is that what you think we should be doing today?
Exodus 21: 7 “When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. 8 If she does not satisfy her owner, he must allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. 9 But if the slave’s owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave but as a daughter. 10 “If a man who has married a slave wife takes another wife for himself, he must not neglect the rights of the first wife to food, clothing, and sexual intimacy. 11 If he fails in any of these three obligations, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment.
3. Is that cool? Some guy buys a girl as a slave and then marries her, but can still marry another woman and have sex with both. And keep in mind, according to the OT, this is God talking. And again we see the "women as property" cultural norm reflected in the text.
Then of course we have...
Exodus 21: 20 “If a man beats his male or female slave with a club and the slave dies as a result, the owner must be punished. 21 But if the slave recovers within a day or two, then the owner shall not be punished, since the slave is his property.
4. Does that sound like an equivalent to "employment today"?
Completely agree with these explanations. Made for a good read. Thanks for posting.Wormwood said:Egalitarianism is much more a product of our culture and its expectations than it is a reflection of what the Bible actually teaches. I believe Christians need to go back to the Scriptures and allow them, not culture, to determine what roles should look like in the home.
- Gender roles are not simply held up as means by which Christians can evangelize outsiders in their culture. If this is the case, then all forms of submission referenced in the Bible (such as parents and children) can be said to be merely cultural. Also, the commands of submission and headship in the NT are based in unchanging theological truth and not portrayed as acquiescing to cultural norms. If such roles are evil (as egalitarians would claim) then the Bible would hardly teach an "ends justifies the means" type of evangelistic strategy.
- Submission is not mutual. No where in the NT are husbands told to submit to their wives. In fact, such a view is forced to say that Christ's act of sacrifice was ultimately due to his submission to the church. This is seriously flawed. Christ is not in subjection to the church in any fashion. Acts of love and service should not be confused as submission to authority.
- The word in the Bible that is translated "submit" is hupotasso. The word literally means, "to appoint under." The word is pregnant with hierarchical meaning. When referring to persons, it always relates to submission to authority. The word is often used in a military sense in which someone is under the authority and command of another. Egalitarians define this word differently based on a preconceived understanding of Eph. 5 and then use that understanding to redefine the words.
- The Galatians passage about no longer being male or female has nothing to do with gender roles or authority. This text is related to salvation and unity in Christ. We all have equal standing in Christ. Gender roles have nothing to do with equality, but submission and authority. Children do not have lesser value then their parents, yet they are in a role of submission to parents. Christ does not have lesser value than God the Father, but he was in a role of submission to the Father.
Is there any scripture you do accept? ''OT, evil God and sexist Jews. Paul, sexist and a fundamentalist. Revelations was John on pot''.River Jordan said:I read the passages about gender roles about the same way I read the passages about how to treat one's slaves...as text reflecting the culture at the time it was written.