QUOTE (ami @ Apr 6 2009, 10:35 PM)
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Hi Everyone,I was reading the bible yesterday on the first Timothy 2:9 where Paul wrote to Timothy telling him that women should not teach or have authority on men. 9: In like manner also, that
women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; 10: But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works. 11: Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12:
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 13: For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14: And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.I remember a woman in my church teaching at the pulpit. My question is can a woman be a minister or can she teach in a church?My second question is when Paul says women should adorn themselves in modest apparel, is he referring to the way women dress in churches at his time specifically the churches at Ephesus? If the answer is yes, then what about in our generation where women dress in an appealing way to men when going to church? I mean in skirt and tops showing parts of their body? Is this right? Your comments are highly appreciated.Ami
Heres my answer Ami as you requested, this is my opinion agreement is optional
As far as your question on apparel ect I think they apply to both Men and Women IMHO however women can suffer a greater price for not adhering to this rule ... Thus the rule is for their protection as well as keeping mens minds on Godly things ..and silent can refer to chattering,in church again this could apply equaly to men and women but lets be truthful women usally talk more chatter than men .. However Women are not given authority over men .... {Quote}
My question is can a woman be a minister or can she teach in a church? { Quote}I could mention Miriam, Deborah, Huldah in the Old Testament and Priscilla, Phoebe in the New Testament. Deborah, she was the only female judge amongst 13 male judges. In relation to Huldah, she was the female prophet among dozens of male prophets mentioned in the Bible. Miriam's connection to leadership due to her being the sister of Moses and Aaron. In the Book of Acts, chapter 18, Priscilla and Aquila are presented as faithful ministers for Christ. Priscilla's name is mentioned first, likely indicating that she was more "prominent" in ministry than her husband.Women are encouraged to teach other women (Titus 2:3-5). The Bible also does not restrict women from teaching children. The only activity women were restricted from is havingl authority over menWomen excel in gifts of hospitality, mercy, teaching and helps. Much of the ministry of the church depends on women. Women in the church are not restricted to public praying or prophesying (1 Corinthians 11:5), only to having authority over men. The Bible nowhere restricts women from exercising the gifts of the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 12). Women, just as much as men, are called to minister to others, to demonstrate the fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23), and to proclaim the Gospel to the lost (Matthew 28:18-20; Acts 1:8; 1 Peter 3:15).So women are able to be teachers, given wisdom, knowledge ect. this is without dispute, We also know male and female are equal in relationship to Christ ..However they simply are not given authortiy over men. All this is true however the Bible also gives us the perfect standard by which we are to live In a perfect world this would be very accetable however we do not live in a perfect world
Let us look for a moment at the Role men are supposed play as a husband they are to behave as Christ The husband is to assume headship/leadership in the home (1 Corinthians 11:3; Ephesians 5:23). This headship should not be dictatorial, condescending, or patronizing of the wife, but should be in accordance with the example of Christ leading the Church. “You husbands must love your wives with the same love Christ showed the church. He gave up his life for her to make her holy and clean, washed by baptism and God's word” (Ephesians 5:25-26). Christ loved the Church (His people) with compassion, mercy, forgiveness, respect, and selflessness; in this same way husbands are to love their wives.1 Timothy Chapter 31 This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. 2
A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; 4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; 5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) 6 Not a novice a novice: or, one newly come to the faith lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil. 7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil. 8 Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre; 9 Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience. 10 And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless. 11 Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things. 12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well. 13 For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus. Now I might ask how many ministers, preachers, live up to this ??... I say not many... I therefore say that if men do not live up to their Role as ministers, preachers ... In scripture they are hardly in a postion to judge women as this would make them hypocrites.The fact is we have been given perfect rules for an imperfect World...... can we insist one rule be followed without exception, while others are not ? These are rules for us try to live by not commandments ... we live in confusing times ..We are the End Time generation where evil is all around us ..all manners of evil is called good. We need good pastors to lead the sheep period. So I see that Male and Female are equal in relationship to Christ Male and Female are both given authority to Teach under certain circumstances Male and Female are both faithful Servants to the Lord I believe it is for this reason we need to take good meat, from where we can get it, God clearly intends that he will use woman as well as men in this generation Joe 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward , [that] I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh ; and your sons and
your daughters shall prophesy , your old men shall dream dreams , your young men shall see visionsAct 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God , I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh and your sons and
your daughters shall prophesy , and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams : Surely if women are given divine revelation of prophesy by God as he states will happen... we should surley listen