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Again I see that you like to do a lot of talking instead of referencing anything according to the Bible, using verses and Scriptures. That's the only way that you can get clean clear understanding of the Word of God is using the Bible. In, (Is. 42:21) we find another prophecy concerning Christ and the law. It reads, (v.21) The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he (Jesus) will magnify the law, and make it honourable. When you magnify something you enlarge it and bring it out more of its detail and richness. Jesus revealed the fulfillment of this prophecy when he explained, (Mat.5:27-28) (v.27) Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: (v.28) But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart

By magnifying the law and making it honorable, the spiritual intent of the law is now emphasized which goes far beyond the mere the physical intent. God has raised His standards, not lowered them! All God ever wanted was what was best for us! He designed us to be His children. We are happiest when we love and obey Him. He is a God who is totally righteous and holy. God cannot sin. And He wants us to follow in His footsteps. The person that says, (1 John:2:6) “that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.”

There are those who believe that because Christ overcame sin and kept the law that now we don't have to keep God's laws. But what do the Scriptures tell us? Here's what Jesus said:

(Mat.5:17-19) (v.17) Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. (v.18) For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. (v.19) Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Jesus came to fulfill, to fill to the full (Gk. plereo). He fulfilled many prophecies - but not all. There are many in the Book of Revelation still to be fulfilled. There is still some in the Old Testament that hasn’t been fulfilled. Jesus at His first coming came to fulfilled that which was written for Him to fulfill at His first coming. He has NOT fulfilled everything that was written for Him to do. And He kept all of the Law that he could - but that was not all! He was not a Temple priest. He was not a woman. He could not keep the laws intended only for priests and women. No matter how you think about Jesus, there is still much to be fulfilled! So not even the smallest part has yet passed from God's Law! Jesus made it quite clear that anyone who would break even the least commandment and teach people to do so would be called the least in the kingdom of heaven.

The lack of understanding seems to be flowing both ways in yours and my opinion here. I know what you're saying, and I agree with you that Christ magnified the Law, and even told a healed leper to go an offer up the sacrifice according to the Law of Moses. Yes. That man was an Israeli, and the Lord's ministry of the Law was ONLY to Israel, not something to be passed onto us who are under the Gospel of Grace.

So, what verses do you want me to quote that you don't already know? Paul spoke much about the lack of need for the body of Christ to adhere and follow the Law. He also spoke of the indwelling Spirit living within us, which leads right into that superiority of which you addressed in what which was to come that is greater. However, this Gospel of Grace was not known to anyone but God until revealed to Paul after the fall of Israel, which also was not known to anyone but God, thus salvation coming unto the Gentiles without them having to join with us who are of Israel, the Israel that was at that time still under the Law, and will be once again in the Millennium.

So, what do you want quoted of which you are not aware at this time that seems to be a puzzle to you? I'm very willing to provide the references and quotes. Please clarify.

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The lack of understanding seems to be flowing both ways in yours and my opinion here. I know what you're saying, and I agree with you that Christ magnified the Law, and even told a healed leper to go an offer up the sacrifice according to the Law of Moses. Yes. That man was an Israeli, and the Lord's ministry of the Law was ONLY to Israel, not something to be passed onto us who are under the Gospel of Grace.
Yes and but no, because Israel came out of Egypt with a mixed multitude of people different nations of people, that was with Israel. Let's go back an get an example and take a look at one of the laws even to this day and hard work with other nations. Let's go in Exodus 12: 43 And the LORD said unto Moses and Aaron, This is the ordinance of the passover: there shall no stranger eat thereof: 44 but every man's servant that is bought for money, when thou hast circumcised him, then shall he eat thereof. 45 A foreigner and an hired servant shall not eat thereof. 46 In one house shall it be eaten; thou shalt not carry forth ought of the flesh abroad out of the house; neither shall ye break a bone thereof. 47 All the congregation of Israel shall keep it. 48 And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof. 49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you. So today it works the same way when you get baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins to receive the gift of the Holy Ghost (Acts 2:38). You are coming under the blood and you are bought with a price. Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men. Brethren, let every man, wherein he is called, therein abide with God. (1 Corinthians 7: 23,54) Pauls says in Acts 20: 28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

Let's what else Paul said in Ephesians 2: 11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12 that at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: 13 but now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. 19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 20 - And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

The Bible was written by Hebrew Israelites, and the Israelites are still the priest of God even to this day, even thought they are in captivity till this day, but the other nations can still come up under the blood of Jesus and be taught by Israel and receive salvation.
So, what verses do you want me to quote that you don't already know? Paul spoke much about the lack of need for the body of Christ to adhere and follow the Law. He also spoke of the indwelling Spirit living within us, which leads right into that superiority of which you addressed in what which was to come that is greater. However, this Gospel of Grace was not known to anyone but God until revealed to Paul after the fall of Israel, which also was not known to anyone but God, thus salvation coming unto the Gentiles without them having to join with us who are of Israel, the Israel that was at that time still under the Law, and will be once again in the Millennium.

So, what do you want quoted of which you are not aware at this time that seems to be a puzzle to you? I'm very willing to provide the references and quotes. Please clarify.

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What law are you referring to? Copy and paste please
 

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Yes and but no, because Israel came out of Egypt with a mixed multitude of people different nations of people, that was with Israel. Let's go back an get an example and take a look at one of the laws even to this day and hard work with other nations. Let's go in Exodus 12: 43 And the LORD said unto Moses and Aaron, This is the ordinance of the passover: there shall no stranger eat thereof: 44 but every man's servant that is bought for money, when thou hast circumcised him, then shall he eat thereof. 45 A foreigner and an hired servant shall not eat thereof. 46 In one house shall it be eaten; thou shalt not carry forth ought of the flesh abroad out of the house; neither shall ye break a bone thereof. 47 All the congregation of Israel shall keep it. 48 And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof. 49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you. So today it works the same way when you get baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins to receive the gift of the Holy Ghost (Acts 2:38). You are coming under the blood and you are bought with a price. Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men. Brethren, let every man, wherein he is called, therein abide with God. (1 Corinthians 7: 23,54) Pauls says in Acts 20: 28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

Let's what else Paul said in Ephesians 2: 11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12 that at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: 13 but now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. 19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 20 - And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

The Bible was written by Hebrew Israelites, and the Israelites are still the priest of God even to this day, even thought they are in captivity till this day, but the other nations can still come up under the blood of Jesus and be taught by Israel and receive salvation.

What law are you referring to? Copy and paste please

We are not required today to be baptized for the remission of sins. That was spoken specifically to Israel, not Gentiles through Paul. No ordinances of Law is binding upon us today as a work. The Blood of Christ was more than sufficient for the cleansing of our sins.

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Yes and but no, because Israel came out of Egypt with a mixed multitude of people different nations of people, that was with Israel. Let's go back an get an example and take a look at one of the laws even to this day and hard work with other nations. Let's go in Exodus 12: 43 And the LORD said unto Moses and Aaron, This is the ordinance of the passover: there shall no stranger eat thereof: 44 but every man's servant that is bought for money, when thou hast circumcised him, then shall he eat thereof. 45 A foreigner and an hired servant shall not eat thereof. 46 In one house shall it be eaten; thou shalt not carry forth ought of the flesh abroad out of the house; neither shall ye break a bone thereof. 47 All the congregation of Israel shall keep it. 48 And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof. 49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you. So today it works the same way when you get baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins to receive the gift of the Holy Ghost (Acts 2:38). You are coming under the blood and you are bought with a price. Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men. Brethren, let every man, wherein he is called, therein abide with God. (1 Corinthians 7: 23,54) Pauls says in Acts 20: 28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

Let's what else Paul said in Ephesians 2: 11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12 that at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: 13 but now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. 19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 20 - And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

The Bible was written by Hebrew Israelites, and the Israelites are still the priest of God even to this day, even thought they are in captivity till this day, but the other nations can still come up under the blood of Jesus and be taught by Israel and receive salvation.

What law are you referring to? Copy and paste please

I'm curious as to why you want to go back to works and the Law...if I'm understanding your theology?

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I'm curious as to why you want to go back to works and the Law...if I'm understanding your theology?

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Don't be curious, we know what happen to the cat...Lol......When the bible speaks of laws we no longer have to keep, it is speaking of the animal sacrificial laws and Priesthood laws. These animal sacrificial laws were a school master pointing us to the fact that Jesus would be sacrificed for our sins. Since Jesus died we are no longer under a school master, (required to offer up bulls and goats for our sins).

Now we must believe (have faith) Jesus died for us (Hebrews 10:4,9-10) 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. 9 then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

This doesn't mean we don't have to obey God's moral laws of conduct. That would be like a man getting paroled from prison and then ignoring the same laws that sent him to prison in the first place. Jesus only died once, so if we willingly break God's law, after accepting Jesus, our reward will be eternal damnation (Hebrews 10:26-27) 26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. Let us avoid this at all costs, seeking a better reward. Jesus will return real soon And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. (Revelation 22:12).
 

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We are not required today to be baptized for the remission of sins. That was spoken specifically to Israel, not Gentiles through Paul. No ordinances of Law is binding upon us today as a work. The Blood of Christ was more than sufficient for the cleansing of our sins.

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Let's go into Acts 10 we're gonna see that in this chapter, this is talking about a gentile a white man call Cornelius Italian band. Peter at the time when the lord was putting into his mind that God is no respecter of person that other nations will start coming into the covenant. Read this whole chapter on your own because this is all talking about Peter bring in the Gentiles, which is the Caucasian people. Let's pick this up and Acts 34: 34Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: 35 but in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him. 36The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all). 44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. 45And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. 46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, 47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? 48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
 

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Don't be curious, we know what happen to the cat...Lol......When the bible speaks of laws we no longer have to keep, it is speaking of the animal sacrificial laws and Priesthood laws. These animal sacrificial laws were a school master pointing us to the fact that Jesus would be sacrificed for our sins. Since Jesus died we are no longer under a school master, (required to offer up bulls and goats for our sins).

Now we must believe (have faith) Jesus died for us (Hebrews 10:4,9-10) 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. 9 then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

This doesn't mean we don't have to obey God's moral laws of conduct. That would be like a man getting paroled from prison and then ignoring the same laws that sent him to prison in the first place. Jesus only died once, so if we willingly break God's law, after accepting Jesus, our reward will be eternal damnation (Hebrews 10:26-27) 26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. Let us avoid this at all costs, seeking a better reward. Jesus will return real soon And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. (Revelation 22:12).

As a Messianic Jew, and when I was active with my local congregation of Orthodox Messianic Jews, they taught the same thing for this time, but are fully prepared to go back to Israel once the sacrifices start back up, claiming that they will look back to Christ and therefore, allegedly, not be a betrayal, slap-in-the-face of Christ for what He has already accomplished.

So, in reference to your use of the term "obey" in reference to the division of what you call "moral law," I'm wondering where scripture commands the dividing of the Law when we consider that violating even the smallest point of the Law made one guilty of it all. Do you see where this leads? As I looked about at all those people I loved dearly, I could see the bondage. They sat around each week together, codifying the moral Law and trying to commit it all to memory while ignoring all that was not a part of the temple and priesthood elements, such as the material of garments and dietary Laws. You see, it was all about the convenience of subjectively deciding what applies and what doesn't. The cross, in their practices, did away with far more than what they were aware they had cast aside from the Law. They were not adhering to the singular thread type for their garments nor placing a protective railing around the edge of their roofs and so many more particulars that had nothing to do with the cross.

So, when people through the years of my earlier life spoke of the doing-away with the sacrificial and priesthood system because of the cross, claiming to adhere to the "moral" Law at the exclusion of all the rest, I'm left wondering how, for example, refraining from eating pork, that will ever make them closer to God. Genesis 9 shows the Lord telling Noah that they could eat everything that moved upon the earth with nothing forbidden. Then comes Deuteronomy THEN saying that some of the things that move upon the earth were forbidden to Israel, but said nothing about the Gentiles. There too is yet another strange statement when Gentiles lay claim to following the "moral" Law, as if Paul ever taught such a thing, which he didn't.

So, having said all that, my question is: What about Holy Spirit?

What I mean is, given that a true believer is indwelt by Holy Spirit, what need have any of us to study the so-called "moral Law" to try and "obey?" Do we have that ability? I do recall where Paul said this:

Romans 8:1, 4
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. ...
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Walking after the flesh is the self-effort of trying to obey a written code. Many think they are aspiring to some superior level of life by trying to combine both. Only ONE can be the dominant force, not both. I can write letter of instruction to my children, and if they look only to me letter in me presence as their guide, what does that say about their heart and focus toward me in their presence. Relationship, as you know, must be top priority. If we didn't even have Bibles, we could still live completely in harmony with the Lord by His indwelling Spirit that no government can ever take from us as they can our Bible.

Galatians 5:16, 25
16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. ...
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

Not once have I seen Paul state that we're to return to the letter of what is called the "moral Law." It's great to read and study it all as our daily feeding so that the time spent upon it takes up all the other time we may spend feeding upon the filth of this world from Bollywood and "entertainments." Frankly, our efforts for "being" moral in accordance with the written ordinances will not help us in our conduct toward others around us and their perceptions held about us personally when compared to letting Holy Spirit work through us in ways that the ordinances of moral code cannot possibly hope to touch upon.

Given that Paul focused so much more upon living by that precious, indwelling Spirit, what can mere words do that comes close to the living out of the Life of Holy Spirit through us? We can't retain our salvation by trying to "obey" the moral code. The greatest treasure of reward that we store up in Heaven is when we live and walk by the Spirit who instructs us on morality to a far more profound and abiding level than anything we may do by our own efforts with intentional conduct through our flesh.

So, it comes down to laying claim to obedience to what is written versus obedience to the One who is the Author of what is written Who actually indwells us personally, and is therefore in our presence right now. isn't that wonderful?

In summation, there are multitudes of issues that arise when one thinks to elevate what is written up to the level of the presence of Spirit. When we promote self-effort without first pointing out the superiority of the Power of the indwelling Spirit to feed us and work through us His perfect morality that far surpasses the mere letters of what was inspired in our inferior tongues, it falls flat. I realize the legalists out there will demand how wrong I am, and that's on them. They live and breath denial of Paul's instructions who pointed ONLY to Holy Spirit.

Amen?

Sorry this was so long, but there are perhaps those out there who needed this to bolster their love and dedication to seeking Holy Spirit for the power to live not only those ordinances of moral code, but also actually living by the Spirit who inspired it all that should only point to Him rather than our flesh and our efforts for obedience. When walking by Holy Spirit, He far surpass the mere letters as He works through us.

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Let's go into Acts 10 we're gonna see that in this chapter, this is talking about a gentile a white man call Cornelius Italian band. Peter at the time when the lord was putting into his mind that God is no respecter of person that other nations will start coming into the covenant. Read this whole chapter on your own because this is all talking about Peter bring in the Gentiles, which is the Caucasian people. Let's pick this up and Acts 34: 34Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: 35 but in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him. 36The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all). 44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. 45And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. 46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, 47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? 48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

Good point, and timing is key in all that. Peter spoke what is written in Acts 34 long after the fall of Israel, and after salvation had come unto the Gentiles apart from them having to join with Israel as a fallen nation of priests and kings. When we fail to take into account the timing, we invariably traipse into the arena of error and falsehood. Israel fell by the time of Acts 7. Also, Peter was not the apostle to the Gentiles, even though he ministered to some small numbers far inferior to that of Paul.

Galatians 2:7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;

The nay-sayers out there claim that this was a division of groups moreso than a division of Gospel messages. They were not one and same Gospel, as many like to claim. Many have a brain aneurism when daring to consider that the Gospel message evolved though time. This bleeding in their brains is the result of their not having ever read the scriptures without the religious blinders over their eyes that filter out the details of what's written, both in context and within the scope of systematic study.

For example, they flatulate through their ears when daring to read for what is and is NOT stated in the gospels. One point along this line is that they fail to realize that the disciples, even when Jesus told them point blank on more than one occasion that He was going to be betrayed, slapped, beaten and spit upon and then killed, buried and raised up on the third day, it's written right there that they "understood Him not," and were afraid to ask. They did not preach the cross before the cross. It wasn't until after His ascension that they THEN remembered that the prophets had indeed prophesied all that had happened.

So, when the ignorant crowd claims that it was the same Gospel all throughout, they are willfully blind and in denial of what the very book teaches that they claim to believe as THE authoritative source for their beliefs. It's an exercise in futility on their part, but they duplicate themselves like rabbits.

Blessings to you and yours.

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Good point, and timing is key in all that. Peter spoke what is written in Acts 34 long after the fall of Israel, and after salvation had come unto the Gentiles apart from them having to join with Israel as a fallen nation of priests and kings. When we fail to take into account the timing, we invariably traipse into the arena of error and falsehood. Israel fell by the time of Acts 7. Also, Peter was not the apostle to the Gentiles, even though he ministered to some small numbers far inferior to that of Paul.

Galatians 2:7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;

The nay-sayers out there claim that this was a division of groups moreso than a division of Gospel messages. They were not one and same Gospel, as many like to claim. Many have a brain aneurism when daring to consider that the Gospel message evolved though time. This bleeding in their brains is the result of their not having ever read the scriptures without the religious blinders over their eyes that filter out the details of what's written, both in context and within the scope of systematic study.

For example, they flatulate through their ears when daring to read for what is and is NOT stated in the gospels. One point along this line is that they fail to realize that the disciples, even when Jesus told them point blank on more than one occasion that He was going to be betrayed, slapped, beaten and spit upon and then killed, buried and raised up on the third day, it's written right there that they "understood Him not," and were afraid to ask. They did not preach the cross before the cross. It wasn't until after His ascension that they THEN remembered that the prophets had indeed prophesied all that had happened.

So, when the ignorant crowd claims that it was the same Gospel all throughout, they are willfully blind and in denial of what the very book teaches that they claim to believe as THE authoritative source for their beliefs. It's an exercise in futility on their part, but they duplicate themselves like rabbits.

Blessings to you and yours.

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I think I understand what you saying, like Jesus says in John 10: 15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. 16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. Jesus was sent to the lost sheep of Israel but he knew that he had other sheep that he had to bring into the fold, thus this is talking about the Gentiles, which Paul/ and Peter brought in. Remember Jesus gave Peter the keys to the kingdom and Peter brought in the first gentile, Cornelius in Acts 10 chapter, but Paul/ took it from there now being the apostle to the gentiles. But at the time Jesus said this, like you was saying, it probably was the last thing on the apostles mind. Until the death of Jesus, now all these things start to come to pass and they understood more.
 

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As a Messianic Jew, and when I was active with my local congregation of Orthodox Messianic Jews, they taught the same thing for this time, but are fully prepared to go back to Israel once the sacrifices start back up, claiming that they will look back to Christ and therefore, allegedly, not be a betrayal, slap-in-the-face of Christ for what He has already accomplished.

So, in reference to your use of the term "obey" in reference to the division of what you call "moral law," I'm wondering where scripture commands the dividing of the Law when we consider that violating even the smallest point of the Law made one guilty of it all. Do you see where this leads? As I looked about at all those people I loved dearly, I could see the bondage. They sat around each week together, codifying the moral Law and trying to commit it all to memory while ignoring all that was not a part of the temple and priesthood elements, such as the material of garments and dietary Laws. You see, it was all about the convenience of subjectively deciding what applies and what doesn't. The cross, in their practices, did away with far more than what they were aware they had cast aside from the Law. They were not adhering to the singular thread type for their garments nor placing a protective railing around the edge of their roofs and so many more particulars that had nothing to do with the cross.

So, when people through the years of my earlier life spoke of the doing-away with the sacrificial and priesthood system because of the cross, claiming to adhere to the "moral" Law at the exclusion of all the rest, I'm left wondering how, for example, refraining from eating pork, that will ever make them closer to God. Genesis 9 shows the Lord telling Noah that they could eat everything that moved upon the earth with nothing forbidden. Then comes Deuteronomy THEN saying that some of the things that move upon the earth were forbidden to Israel, but said nothing about the Gentiles. There too is yet another strange statement when Gentiles lay claim to following the "moral" Law, as if Paul ever taught such a thing, which he didn't.

So, having said all that, my question is: What about Holy Spirit?

What I mean is, given that a true believer is indwelt by Holy Spirit, what need have any of us to study the so-called "moral Law" to try and "obey?" Do we have that ability? I do recall where Paul said this:

Romans 8:1, 4
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. ...
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Walking after the flesh is the self-effort of trying to obey a written code. Many think they are aspiring to some superior level of life by trying to combine both. Only ONE can be the dominant force, not both. I can write letter of instruction to my children, and if they look only to me letter in me presence as their guide, what does that say about their heart and focus toward me in their presence. Relationship, as you know, must be top priority. If we didn't even have Bibles, we could still live completely in harmony with the Lord by His indwelling Spirit that no government can ever take from us as they can our Bible.

Galatians 5:16, 25
16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. ...
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.


Amen?

Sorry this was so long, but there are perhaps those out there who needed this to bolster their love and dedication to seeking Holy Spirit for the power to live not only those ordinances of moral code, but also actually living by the Spirit who inspired it all that should only point to Him rather than our flesh and our efforts for obedience. When walking by Holy Spirit, He far surpass the mere letters as He works through us.

BTW
In, (Is. 42:21) we find another prophecy concerning Christ and the law. It reads, (v.21) The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he (Jesus) will magnify the law, and make it honourable. When you magnify something you enlarge it and bring it out more of its detail and richness. Jesus revealed the fulfillment of this prophecy when he explained, (Mat.5:27-28) (v.27) Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: (v.28) But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart

By magnifying the law and making it honorable, the spiritual intent of the law is now emphasized which goes far beyond the mere the physical intent. God has raised His standards, not lowered them! All God ever wanted was what was best for us! He designed us to be His children. We are happiest when we love and obey Him. He is a God who is totally righteous and holy. God cannot sin. And He wants us to follow in His footsteps. The person that says, (1John:2:6) “that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.”

False Teachers

There are those who believe that because Christ overcame sin and kept the law that now we don't have to keep God's laws. But what do the Scriptures tell us? Here's what Jesus said:

(Mat.5:17-19) (v.17) Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. (v.18) For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. (v.19) Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Jesus came to fulfill, to fill to the full (Gk. plereo). He fulfilled many prophecies - but not all. There are many in the Book of Revelation still to be fulfilled. There is still some in the Old Testament that hasn’t been fulfilled. Jesus at His first coming came to fulfilled that which was written for Him to fulfill at His first coming. He has NOT fulfilled everything that was written for Him to do. And He kept all of the Law that he could - but that was not all! He was not a Temple priest. He was not a woman. He could not keep the laws intended only for priests and women. No matter how you think about Jesus, there is still much to be fulfilled! So not even the smallest part has yet passed from God's Law!

Jesus made it quite clear that anyone who would break even the least commandment and teach people to do so would be called the least in the kingdom of heaven. The fact is, God did not find fault with His laws but rather with the people who did not obey them. (Heb.8:7-8) (v.7) For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.(v.8) For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: The writer of Hebrews then proceeds to quote Jeremiah 31:31-34, quoted above. Under the New Covenant we now have a living High Priest, Jesus Christ, who can make intercession for us. One who was tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin. He is an intercessor who understands our weaknesses because He lived as a human being.

Now going back to Genesis 9: 3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things. Keep in mind this is referring to clean food, not unclean food. Let's back up to Gen 8: 20 And Noah builded an altar unto the LORD; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar.

So even back in these days Noah knew clean food he can eat, also he knew about unclean food as well. This is why it's written in Proverbs 4: 7 Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: And with all thy getting get understanding.