Ferris Bueller
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I don't hate you. I hate cold dead 'religion'. It doesn't matter how many of your theologies are correct, the point is Catholicism is a system of cold, dead liturgy.
You shall know them their fruits
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You Make promises that apply to all believers apply only to a select few, an elite class of leaders, this is Nicolaitanism in a nutshell. Here is my Last comment from the other post of yours where you try to negate this fact, which you failed to respond to and I will place here because it answers these questions.
Here is an example of how these arguments rip scripture out of context to prove their point. The fivefold office is there for a purpose, which is clearly expressed in the following verses.
And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: (Ephesians 4:11-13)
Notice that These offices exist for the purpose bringing growth and maturity not for the maintaining of suckling babes, but for the weening of the children of the faith to eating the meat of the Word themselves, to be teachers themselves. The author of Hebrews laments this as well, writing:
For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil. (Hebrews 5:12-14)
You see these principalities and powers in the vatican fear this more than anything else, a Laity that sees them for what they are, Nicolaitans, those who commit Balaam's error, and use their authority to enrich themselves, meanwhile claiming to be "servants", But they truly are not servants for their ego feeds off of their authority, and they continue to try a proseletyze those who do not believe as they do. They want to keep you as children suckling on their milk they feed you never learning to digest meat, because when you do you will see their deception, and their desire for filthy lucre, and their manipulation and mind control.
So I say this to all who be in Christ, we have one head of the body which is Christ Jesus, and we who believe are all Brethren on the same path to sainthood. All of us must walk the same path, there is no special path for the authorities and one for the laity, but all must walk the same path. Some barely take two steps along that path and others take many steps but all are among the same group known as the faithful in Christ Jesus. Those that finish the race as Paul speaks of, do not begrudge and lord over those who are below them on the path, nor do they belittle them that they do not grow and take more steps, but instead they edify and encourage them to grow like they themselves have and learn to digest meat on their own so that they too can sup with Jesus rather than remain suckling on the breast of the mother church. when this occurs, the Gospel of the kingdom and the great commission will be fulfilled by all who believe and they all acting as apostles, sent ones will pronounce the gospel for all the world to hear as spoken of prophetically and usher in the second coming of Christ.
Do Not listen to those who want to keep you young dumb and dependent, but instead grow in the grace of God and the teaching of the Holy Ghost on to maturity in Christ and perhaps even to sainthood which comes by sovereign election. Sheep feed themselves in a pasture, they are not fed in troughs like the pigs. A true shepherd guides the sheep to a pasture, not to a trough.
Ferris Bueller
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Romans 14:17-18
17For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, 18because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and receives human approval.
The Catholic church is all about the externals.
This baptism contention you have is just that, a contention. Most Protestants are very much water baptized. Your argument only stirs up needless contention.
fundamentalism faith without reason
Romans is refering to those in the church
Two or three gather in my name?
Two or three are members of Christ and his church, and who honor His name not two or three heretics or atheists!
@theefaith said: "The nature of authority is hierarchy"
False, There are two types of authority, one is authoritative and condescending the other is managerial and Shepherding. Scripture clearly points to the latter, praising the meekness of leadership. for example, Ephesians 4:2, With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love; Leadership that is like this needs not invoke status and rank but rather encourages, and edifies and leads to the growth of all in the church. While condemning the latter, such as Matthew 23:3-12 and Matthew 20:24-28
I Am sorry but i see nothing meek in the leadership of the RCC, only manipulation, lording over the laity, enriching themselves at the expense of the laity, and robbing glory from God. Their doctrine and dogma as expressed by you here only Perpetuates and maintains this spiritual bullying Keeping the masses suckling on the breast rather than eating the meat of doctrine.
False, There are two types of authority, one is authoritative and condescending the other is managerial and Shepherding. Scripture clearly points to the latter, praising the meekness of leadership. for example, Ephesians 4:2, With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love; Leadership that is like this needs not invoke status and rank but rather encourages, and edifies and leads to the growth of all in the church. While condemning the latter, such as Matthew 23:3-12 and Matthew 20:24-28
I Am sorry but i see nothing meek in the leadership of the RCC, only manipulation, lording over the laity, enriching themselves at the expense of the laity, and robbing glory from God. Their doctrine and dogma as expressed by you here only Perpetuates and maintains this spiritual bullying Keeping the masses suckling on the breast rather than eating the meat of doctrine.
amigo de christo
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CHRIST would never have supported the pharisee like rome . The vatican is a sess pool of wickedness .
I aint being mean , i am being honest .
amigo de christo
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I dont heed augustine . But he had one thing right for sure . HE even said the catholic church was the harlot .
Ferris Bueller
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Relating to God through rituals and the elemental things of the world.
I think the thing that finally shut me down from the Catholic Church was finding out they say they have more authority than Christ. I'm betting you'll challenge me on this.
the Vatican is not the church, I don’t agree with what has taken place there since Pius 12 was murdered and the Freemasons have taken over
the church only has authority from Christ so that’s not possible!
I see you don’t even know what dogma is!
how much catholic dogma do you believe?
amigo de christo
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Invalid I believe and much false teaching contrary to the faith
Are you a sedevacantist?
The Freemasons were originated by the Jesuit order. The "G" in the midst of the Compass and Square is the symbol for the "Gesu" or "Church of the "Gesu" (the "mother church" of the Jesuits), of which said order came - The Gesu Church Rome - Mother church of the Society of Jesus with the Tomb of St. Ignatius of Loyola - Pilgrim-info.com
The Jesuits claim to be the "builders" of a new world.
"... It is curious to note too that most of the bodies which work these, such as the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite, the Rite of Avignon, the Order of the Temple, Fessler's Rite, the 'Grand Council of the Emperors of the East and West -- Sovereign Prince Masons,' etc., etc., are nearly all the offspring of the sons of Ignatius Loyola. The Baron Hundt, Chevalier Ramsay, Tschoudy, Zinnendorf, and numerous others who founded the grades in these rite, worked under instructions from the General of the Jesuits. The nest where these high degree were hatched, and no Masonic rite is free from their baleful influence more or less, was the Jesuit College of Clermont at Paris. ..." - Isis Unveiled: A Master-Key To The Mysteries Of Ancient And Modern Science And Theology by Helena Petrovna Blavatsky, Vol. II - Theology, page 390 - Theology
Ferris Bueller
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I see you do not know your own church's writings.
Dogma is a derogatory term for a hardened indoctrination.
I believe it is incumbent on the believer to walk in works of righteousness. And I believe every believer should obey the command to be baptized. Beyond that, not much.
amigo de christo
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You know what the one thing most false churches have in common is
they always preach their religion instead of just preaching JESUS CHRIST .
Me , i am sticking with pointing to HIM . Good night everyone .
they always preach their religion instead of just preaching JESUS CHRIST .
Me , i am sticking with pointing to HIM . Good night everyone .
Are you a sedevacantist?
The Freemasons were originated by the Jesuit order. The "G" in the midst of the Compass and Square is the symbol for the "Gesu" or "Church of the "Gesu" (the "mother church" of the Jesuits), of which said order came - The Gesu Church Rome - Mother church of the Society of Jesus with the Tomb of St. Ignatius of Loyola - Pilgrim-info.com
The Jesuits claim to be the "builders" of a new world.
"... It is curious to note too that most of the bodies which work these, such as the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite, the Rite of Avignon, the Order of the Temple, Fessler's Rite, the 'Grand Council of the Emperors of the East and West -- Sovereign Prince Masons,' etc., etc., are nearly all the offspring of the sons of Ignatius Loyola. The Baron Hundt, Chevalier Ramsay, Tschoudy, Zinnendorf, and numerous others who founded the grades in these rite, worked under instructions from the General of the Jesuits. The nest where these high degree were hatched, and no Masonic rite is free from their baleful influence more or less, was the Jesuit College of Clermont at Paris. ..." - Isis Unveiled: A Master-Key To The Mysteries Of Ancient And Modern Science And Theology by Helena Petrovna Blavatsky, Vol. II - Theology, page 390 - Theology
the masons were around for along time they claim to have built the temple of Solomon
The G stands for their belief system
Gnosticism
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