Question about the M kingdom

[theefaith]

Yeah they did

When they took it over, Made it what they wanted it to be. And enforced its beliefs with their military might.

the church founded by Christ is perfect and cannot be conquered

His bride prepared by God the Father
The new and heavenly Jerusalem our mother
Holy mother church

There is only one true church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles and their successors is the new covenant body of Christ! Matt 16:18 One fold
Jn 10:16 the household of faith! Gal 6:10

1 Timothy 3:15
But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

the church founded by Christ is perfect and cannot be conquered

His bride prepared by God the Father
The new and heavenly Jerusalem our mother
Holy mother church

There is only one true church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles and their successors is the new covenant body of Christ! Matt 16:18 One fold
Jn 10:16 the household of faith! Gal 6:10

1 Timothy 3:15
But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

The Roman Catholic Church is not that church

it was founded in the 300’s when they paganized the church

I asked you to show me where it said in the NT the apostles were commanded to kill heretics, can you answer that question please? Otherwise I will continue to ignore your comments

 

[Philip James]

So are you now admitting the atrocities of the roman church for well over a thousand years.

I have always admitted that members of the Church have done atrocious things over the last 2000 years...

But do we hold the Church responsible for the sins of its members?

Do we abandon Christ because of Judas?

Consider..
The call for a crusade to come to the aid of our brethren in the Middle East was a noble and just cause...
The sacking of Constantinople was an atrocity..
Do we hold the Church responsible for the actions if those that did this horrendous thing?

the roman empire fell for the same reason the United States will fall

The Roman empire moved its capital to Constantinope in the middle of the 4th century. That kingdom lasted until conquered by the Ottomans in 1453...

Interestingly, the first emporer crowned by the Church was Leo I in 457...

Also interesting, the first English King crowned by the Church was Edgar in 973..
Will Queen Elizabeth be the last?

Peace!

 

[theefaith]

The Roman Catholic Church is not that church

it was founded in the 300’s when they paganized the church

I asked you to show me where it said in the NT the apostles were commanded to kill heretics, can you answer that question please? Otherwise I will continue to ignore your comments

As I Said the church defines the truth, the state executes justice

no evidence that the church was founded pagan in the 3rd cent.

if the rcc is not the church founddd by Christ on Peter and the apostles what is?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I have always admitted that members of the Church have done atrocious things over the last 2000 years...

But do we hold the Church responsible for the sins of its members?

Do we abandon Christ because of Judas?

Consider..
The call for a crusade to come to the aid of our brethren in the Middle East was a noble and just cause...
The sacking of Constantinople was an atrocity..
Do we hold the Church responsible for the actions if those that did this horrendous thing?

what does this have to do with executing heretics?

[/quote]
The Roman empire moved its capital to Constantinope in the middle of the 4th century. That kingdom lasted until conquered by the Ottomans in 1453...

Interestingly, the first emporer crowned by the Church was Leo I in 457...

Also interesting, the first English King crowned by the Church was Edgar in 973..
Will Queen Elizabeth be the last?

Peace![/QUOTE]
What’s interesting is the Roman Empire fell, as prophesied, and will reform again, as prophesied.

I still am waiting for someone to show me where god gave the apostles the power to murder heretics. And to set up kings,

 

[Eternally Grateful]

As I Said the church defines the truth, the state executes justice

no evidence that the church was founded pagan in the 3rd cent.

if the rcc is not the church founddd by Christ on Peter and the apostles what is?

So you can nit answer my question, just as I thought, good day sir, when you can show me where God gave them the authority, then you can talk to me again, until then, I can’t listen to anything you say

 

[quietthinker]

It is a symbolic reference of how he will rule.

I just do not see it the way you see it

The word 'paradigm'....you need to look it up because if your understanding of it is as you describe above you are terribly wrong.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The word 'paradigm'....you need to look it up because if your understanding of it is as you describe above you are terribly wrong.

You seem to like to tell me what I have to do

Nothing in the passage states it is a paradigm anyway, that is your view. I do not agree with it,

let’s leave it at that, I have no desire to continue with you

 

[quietthinker]

You seem to like to tell me what I have to do

Nothing in the passage states it is a paradigm anyway, that is your view. I do not agree with it,

let’s leave it at that, I have no desire to continue with you

Raising the bar of understanding on spiritual matters is from the throne of God and benefits all seekers.
Lowering the bar or running from it results in self harm as well as those in ones circle of influence.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Raising the bar of understanding on spiritual matters is from the throne of God and benefits all seekers.
Lowering the bar or running from it results in self harm as well as those in ones circle of influence.

This is why I have no desire to continue

You THINK you have all the answers. You have no desire to discuss the word. Just push your view. Which shuts down all real discussion

Good day. I asked you to keep your Tude in check. You failed.

 

[Philip James]

what does this have to do with executing heretics?

Not much i expect. Executing heretics was an act of the state. Capital punishement was common for a whole plethora of crimes.


Interestingly, the first emporer crowned by the Church was Leo I in 457...

I still am waiting for someone to show me where god gave the apostles the power .... And to set up kings,

Im not sure I would phrase it that way. Rather converted kings and princes, came to the Church to pledge their fealty (and that of their people!) To the Lord of Lords and the King of Kings... Placing themselves at the service of Christ and His Church...

And how were these people blessed!
They prospered, and the entire world was given into their hands...

And everywhere they went the Gospel went with them.. And men and women from every tribe, and nation, and tongue were baptised into Christ..

And the stone has become a great mountain and filled the whole Earth in fulfillment of prophecy...

Peace be with you!

 

[theefaith]

Not much i expect. Executing heretics was an act of the state. Capital punishement was common for a whole plethora of crimes.


Interestingly, the first emporer crowned by the Church was Leo I in 457...




Im not sure I would phrase it that way. Rather converted kings and princes, came to the Church to pledge their fealty (and that of their people!) To the Lord of Lords and the King of Kings... Placing themselves at the service of Christ and His Church...

And how were these people blessed!
They prospered, and the entire world was given into their hands...

And everywhere they went the Gospel went with them.. And men and women from every tribe, and nation, and tongue were baptised into Christ..

And the stone has become a great mountain and filled the whole Earth in fulfillment of prophecy...

Peace be with you!

matt 28:18 christ is king and has all authority
Matt 16:18 and 18:18 gave His authority to Peter and the apostles (unlimited)
Whatsoever you (the apostles) bind on earth is bound in heaven
Including crowning temporal kings and emperors

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Jesus told the disciples if they do not listen to you, to walk away, as you leave the town, wipe the dust off your feet.

he never said to execute them.

that Catholic Church did he opposite of what Christ said to do.not to mention, they destroyed and perverted his teachings,

anyway, I ramble. People will believe what they want

 

[theefaith]

Jesus told the disciples if they do not listen to you, to walk away, as you leave the town, wipe the dust off your feet.

he never said to execute them.

that Catholic Church did he opposite of what Christ said to do.not to mention, they destroyed and perverted his teachings,

anyway, I ramble. People will believe what they want

that’s very different than an unrepentant heretic teaching false doctrine and refusing to stop or be corrected

 

[Timtofly]

he does not the church has the duty to safeguard the sacred deposit of faith and the faithful from all scandal and error

the state has the duty to execute justice

Romans 13:4
For he is the minister of God to thee forgood. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

That is exactly what the religious Jews of Jesus day said about Jesus Christ, and they hung Him on a Cross. The vinyard was taken away, just like it will be taken away from the church who holds the same mind set as the Jewish religious leaders who thought they had all the power.

Taking Romans 13:4 out if context and applying it to the church is error and heretical. Should we turn you over to the government to be killed? The church has no authority to condemn any one. Not even for heresy. The church is supposed to hand them over to God, to deal with. The civil government is for and can only handle civil matters and condemn matters of the state, not spiritual matters of heresy and God's Word. So no, we cannot hand you over to the police for any heretical view, especially the one that says, "we should hand you over for heretical views."

 

[Timtofly]

if the rcc is not the church founddd by Christ on Peter and the apostles what is?

The church is founded on Jesus Christ. All who are disciples of Christ and follow Him are the church. Those who read God's Word and obey God are the disciples of God. Hebrews 11 is the example of the church on earth.

 

[Timtofly]

matt 28:18 christ is king and has all authority
Matt 16:18 and 18:18 gave His authority to Peter and the apostles (unlimited)
Whatsoever you (the apostles) bind on earth is bound in heaven
Including crowning temporal kings and emperors

And that is why that time is called the Dark Ages. The church was suppose to be a shining light throughout the world. Instead it turned to government and the light of God's Word was hidden by politics and human wants and desires. The church executed any who shined the true light of the Gospel. The true light would have pointed out the gross negligence of the apostate church, so the world remained in darkness. That power trip was a stumbling block. Science and knowledge prevailed, but God's Word was kept from people and hidden.

 

[theefaith]

That is exactly what the religious Jews of Jesus day said about Jesus Christ, and they hung Him on a Cross. The vinyard was taken away, just like it will be taken away from the church who holds the same mind set as the Jewish religious leaders who thought they had all the power.

Taking Romans 13:4 out if context and applying it to the church is error and heretical. Should we turn you over to the government to be killed? The church has no authority to condemn any one. Not even for heresy. The church is supposed to hand them over to God, to deal with. The civil government is for and can only handle civil matters and condemn matters of the state, not spiritual matters of heresy and God's Word. So no, we cannot hand you over to the police for any heretical view, especially the one that says, "we should hand you over for heretical views."

no scripture for this
Or for seperation of church and state
The state requires the church in order to be moral and just

 

[theefaith]

The church is founded on Jesus Christ. All who are disciples of Christ and follow Him are the church. Those who read God's Word and obey God are the disciples of God. Hebrews 11 is the example of the church on earth.

matt 16:18
So Christ founded the church on himself?
Christ gives the keys of the kingdom to himself?
Christ gives himself authority and power to bind on earth?

no it’s peter and the apostles

 

[theefaith]

And that is why that time is called the Dark Ages. The church was suppose to be a shining light throughout the world. Instead it turned to government and the light of God's Word was hidden by politics and human wants and desires. The church executed any who shined the true light of the Gospel. The true light would have pointed out the gross negligence of the apostate church, so the world remained in darkness. That power trip was a stumbling block. Science and knowledge prevailed, but God's Word was kept from people and hidden.

they were called dark ages because of barbarism

and the so called enlightenment (atheism reason without faith and fundamentalism faith without reason) are the children of the so called reformation
The enlightenment was darkest age of all
Pure atheism and fundamentalism