The UK, The Modern Day Sodom!
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Mosheli
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I was shocked at how some weeks ago the LGBT activists practically forced the minister to change their position on the conversion therapy. Its shocking how a minority can overrule the majority and that some minorities have such more rights/freedoms while some others of us have less. At least here in NZ the NZ people in survey/poll for once actually had sense opinion/view.
The new Sodom is Jerusalem not UK. Revelation calls Jerusalem "Sodom and Egypt".
According to Jewish source(s) Sodom was not so much bad for their sexual orientation but because they were "lies/lying, they were arrogant, pride, haughty, unconcerned, didn’t care about the poor/needy".
Some of these do also fit modern western countries' rich/wealthy elite and middle class like the UK & NZ eg "beggars are lazy", homeless people due to housing crisis, etc.
Its not just "homophobia" either there are other crooked "hate" laws against other things too. Its all to undermine natural/created national communities.
Although I don't agree with homosexual activism like parades I don't hate them and I understand. But homosexuality is less natural than heterosexuality in my opinion and they shouldn't have the right to go pushing it and showing it off. Natural heterosexual rights and marriage and family come first. One can't push homosexual activism without effecting heterosexual. So we should accept them and not discriminate unfairly, but it shouldn't be pushed/paraded. Christians should have the right to say it is not biblical/natural though.
The new Sodom is Jerusalem not UK. Revelation calls Jerusalem "Sodom and Egypt".
According to Jewish source(s) Sodom was not so much bad for their sexual orientation but because they were "lies/lying, they were arrogant, pride, haughty, unconcerned, didn’t care about the poor/needy".
Some of these do also fit modern western countries' rich/wealthy elite and middle class like the UK & NZ eg "beggars are lazy", homeless people due to housing crisis, etc.
Its not just "homophobia" either there are other crooked "hate" laws against other things too. Its all to undermine natural/created national communities.
Although I don't agree with homosexual activism like parades I don't hate them and I understand. But homosexuality is less natural than heterosexuality in my opinion and they shouldn't have the right to go pushing it and showing it off. Natural heterosexual rights and marriage and family come first. One can't push homosexual activism without effecting heterosexual. So we should accept them and not discriminate unfairly, but it shouldn't be pushed/paraded. Christians should have the right to say it is not biblical/natural though.
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I think a lot of the USA problems are coming from European sources of the upper rich class and entertainment industries. They appear to have a lot of influence in schools and government here. And we're creeping towards a more socialist government now, much like European gov's.
Sodom and Gomorrah had many sins that caused their destruction. But we should note that they proclaimed their sin and didn't hide it. And this is happening today in the USA and UK perhaps:
Genesis 19:5 ESV
And they called to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us, that we may know them.”
Ezekiel 16:49-50 ESV
Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy. They were haughty and did an abomination before me. So I removed them, when I saw it.
Jeremiah 23:14 ESV
But in the prophets of Jerusalem I have seen a horrible thing: they commit adultery and walk in lies; they strengthen the hands of evildoers, so that no one turns from his evil; all of them have become like Sodom to me, and its inhabitants like Gomorrah.”
Isaiah 3:9 ESV
For the look on their faces bears witness against them; they proclaim their sin like Sodom; they do not hide it. Woe to them! For they have brought evil on themselves.
you got that wrong! It is the USA that is the cause of the filth that we have on our TV's and Movies, and most of the Bible cults have stared in the USA. The big word of faith movement is from the USA, as are the TeleEvangelists, with their FALSE teachings. Pentecostalism and Charismatics are also from the USA. The USA qualifies for both Sodom and Gomorrah!
the Bible actually calls homosexuality an abomination to God, and a sin. Do you agree with this?
Sorry but have you got any idea how the USA has influenced the U.K. over the years. Also why do people in the US continuously think we are living in a socialist country, we believe is social responsibility , which is not the same !
I know many believe it’s the case because we have a National Health Service , but that was rooted in-helping everyone to access medical care at a time when only those with money could afford it, there was no medical insurance available ( which the USA so kindly influenced us with, along with compensation and suing everyone to get money - and yes I am being sarcastic with the thanks. It brought about so many bad things, greed, accountability to the extreme and all kinds of stupid rules and regulations that make the work place more about paperwork than anything else ! )
The actual title of this thread, I think, is over the top- sin is rife in all countries, I think any place could be aligned to sodom and all that was happening there......
Rita
Grailhunter
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Devin ol' buddy step back and look at the big picture. The United States is the last strong hold of Christianity. Alone in the world as the only country with the power and the will to fight evil. It is not just Europe or Canada....This is why the United States has been such a prize for Satan, he has to take us down, then he will have the world. Now we are under attack from within to convert the country to communism and atheism by the demonrats. Christianity itself is under attack from within by the new denomination that justifies sin.
No body pays attention to history....In the biblical era the Jerusalem area was the last stronghold for morality. The Jews as ornery as they were, were still worlds ahead of the rest of the world that Satan had control of. It took a God to step in to defend them. The American Revolutionary War....the establishment of the United States...it took a war and a lot bloodshed to establish a country that would stand for God. We are at that point again...our choice....kneel to Satan or take up arms.
Those that believe that Christ's return is imminent? I cannot disagree with them, because it may take a God to fix this, if Christians do not stand up against all that is going on.
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You think the USA is the only country with the power to fight evil ! Wow, no wonder the Lord is calling for Humility right now !
Keep placing yourself on that higher plain, do you honestly think you have it all right and everyone else has it all wrong. You only have a glimpse of what God is doing around the world within HIS Kingdom, with HIS people, which is global.
Rita
Keep placing yourself on that higher plain, do you honestly think you have it all right and everyone else has it all wrong. You only have a glimpse of what God is doing around the world within HIS Kingdom, with HIS people, which is global.
Rita
Grailhunter
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LOL Rita
30 thousand Protestant denominations...millions of church of ones...who has it right...?
That is the reason that I am multi-denominational.
But for morality the Bible is not my opinion. The morality of the Bible is not that difficult a study.
As far as the UK...in the past they have stood with the United States....not so much anymore.
Christianity is on a serious declined in Europe and Canada, and Christianity is engaged in the fight of its life in the U.S.
I am sad for Europe and Canada. If you think that the UK will ever stand up against evil again....I hope you are right...
As far as what I know about Christianity and the world...LOL...I am a world traveler and my Christian education spans five countries and the most historical universities. Smarter than your average bear...but still a bear.
If the Christian message you received was not about believing in Christ, being good, and standing up for what is right...you got the wrong message. That I know.
Yeah right, then why was I exposed to Benny Hill as a youth, and we had HeeHaw. Stark contrast. But sure try and back out of my statement of facts. ('Benny Hill culture' blamed for teenage pregnancies)
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I wasn’t talking about the U.K., I was talking about ‘ The Kingdom ‘......
Have you heard the expression ‘ there is more than one way to skin a cat ‘ !!!!
There are many ways of fighting for what is right and standing up for what you believe ......
Of course I received the right message, you only know me within the forum you do not know me in person, so please do not choose to presume that I am not fighting for Christ in the kingdom. Just for the record I am non denominational !
Rita
It is my experience, and contention, that the root of all the problems we see today is the wicked, sinful, corrupt, and deceptive human heart.
How to deal with this?
In and through Christ:
For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, so that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but receive eternal life. John 3:16
Then Jesus said to all of them, "If anyone wants to come after Me, he must deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow Me." Luke 9:23
And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death. Revelation 12:11
How to deal with this?
In and through Christ:
For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, so that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but receive eternal life. John 3:16
Then Jesus said to all of them, "If anyone wants to come after Me, he must deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow Me." Luke 9:23
And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death. Revelation 12:11
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Grailhunter
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Kingdom of what? Are we discussing the context of the thread.
What you responded to was a discussion concerning Christianity and various countries.
What you referenced was the USA. HA I am good to go where you want this conversation to lead ...just give me an Idea.
As for as personally to you...I only responded personally to you because you were questioning if I know right or wrong and if I know that I am right.
Look at the title....the discussion is about countries.
Kingdom of God...good topic but not in context of the tread.
Grailhunter
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It is my experience, and contention, that the root of all the problems we see today is the wicked, sinful, corrupt, and deceptive human heart.
How to deal with this?
In and through Christ:
For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, so that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but receive eternal life. John 3:16
Then Jesus said to all of them, "If anyone wants to come after Me, he must deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow Me." Luke 9:23
And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death. Revelation 12:11
Kool. But when you put that in motion as actions...what is it?
Benny Hill! WOW, him against the many 1000's of movies and TV shows that are FULL of FILTH, and SIN , and every form of WICKEDNESS, that is produced in the USofA!!!
Oh, you are right, that first line of my response was rubbish ! Lol
On reflection I am not sure you can detach countries and fighting evil from Christians being within the Kingdom and fighting. The are connected! ( so you conveying that The USA is the only place that is capable of fighting evil, is stating that Christians in the USA are the only ones who have that ability - or at least that is how I interpreted your words, maybe you meant something else x )
I am not bothered about you being personal, you were questioning whether I had heard the right message, so I responded.
I think we have had are own share in TV’s and Movies that fit into that grouping though !!! Lol
While that is currently true I was talking about the origin and steering of the media empire. Yes they have embraced European culture now which is evident from the fact that many of the stars have residences in Europe. Yes the media empire is currently steering the USA towards a sexual immoral and violently engulfed future. But I think it began in Europe with the media empire traveling to Europe and following liberal cues. I remember US visitors to France reporting that there was porn on their TV's that children could be exposed to. In fact in France, they just outlawed sex with minors, so it took them this long? (‘Children Are Off-Limits’: France on Course to Set 15 as Age of Consent).
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