Ferris Bueller
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Being cut off from God for all eternity. The old covenant failed to prevent that, because of the weakness of man.
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Ferris Bueller
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Yes! That's why I got saved, lol. And now I'm at rest in Christ from those things. Aren't you?
I am not even arguing anything with you. I am just asking questions.
<<<when are you going to hear Jesus' words and believe them?>>>
I do hear Jesus’ words. And it’s been many years since I had faith. But what I wanted to hear from you are your answers to my questions.
<<<Why do you think for a moment a false prophet of Islam, Buddhism, or whatever is somehow capable of being inwardly the same as a born again Christian?>>>
I don’t. I was only asking “So you would say that all Muslims, Buddhist, all of them for that matter, are all not practicing righteousness, am I right?”, just to be sure of what you are saying. Now, I understand that for you, you find all of them as not practicing righteousness or living righteously.
And so I ask again, what do you say qualifies and/or make a person to be said to be practicing righteousness?
<<<Stop telling me false believers are fruit bearers too.>>>
Haven’t told you anything like that.
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Everybody lives a Sinful Life after they are Saved....that’s why God bestows Grace upon His Children....thank God that where Sin Abounds, Grace SUPER Abounds.....thank God that when we Sin , we have an ADVOCATE to defend us—— all He has to do is point to the Blood that lies atop the Mercy Seat in Heaven, then its “ Case Closed”....
I cant go to Hell no matter what I do....knowing that FACT is what keeps me from from desiring to Sin so much......
Living in God's Total Grace, knowing I can do whatever I WANT to do and STILL be Saved is the Impetus for Clean Living ......I do what I Want and God Transforms my “ Wants”......
I am a New Creation with a New Heart and New Desires—— My “Desire” to Sin is pretty much equal To my Desire to stick my hand in a Fire....I find no pleasure in it anymore.....Why, it’s as if I have been “ Born Again ! .....Perhaps you should give it a whirl—— Love God and live as you please.....Let me know if the “ lightbulb” Of True Christianity ever goes off in your head.....
Well, that might explain some things.
Psalm 111:10 (NKJV)
10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom;
GracePeace
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Romans 6:1-2
1What then shall we say? Shall we continue in sin so that grace may increase? 2Certainly not! How can we who died to sin live in it any longer?
1) You're abusing that phrase, taking it out of context : Romans 5:20 says that the Law came in that the trespass might increase, but where sin increased, grace abounded more. The sin abounded PRIOR to faith, and for JEWS who were under Law.
2) The very next verse Romans 5:21 says grace reigns through righteousness unto eternal life--wouldn't it be dishonest to claim you have grace when you have a bunch of sin (since grace reigns THROUGH RIGHTEOUSNESS)? Combine this with Romans 6:1-2 which I've already cited, and I think you're having a bad day as far as proving this doctrine.
Then why did you say "everyone lives a sinful life after they're born again"? It's not very popular to set oneself ablaze where you live is it?
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave..."
You should realize that Blood Bought 1953 believes unbelievers go to Heaven.
Ferris Bueller
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What a mess of contradiction. By his own admission, Chief of sinners, @Blood Bought 1953 , lives a sinful life, does whatever he wants (taking Martin Luther's quote out of context), yet claims he finds no pleasure in it, likening it to sticking his hand in a fire, and still has the audacity to claim that God transformed his wants, his sin being the impetus for clean living. Good grief, BB! You're like 68 years old and you say you've been a Christian for like, what, 45 years or something? When does this impetus kick in and you start living a clean life, lol? If what you've described is being born again, no thanks, you can have it. I'll stick with the born again experience I have and which lines up with scripture....
It (grace) teaches us to say “No” to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age, while we wait for the blessed hope—the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good. Titus 2:12-14
I'm pretty sure, based on how you've described yourself, Christ's appearing isn't going to be glorious in a good way for you. Get mad if you want, I'm just going off what you yourself said about yourself. You obviously haven't been taught the lesson Paul says grace teaches a person, because by your own admission you're not living a self-controlled, upright, godly life. You sound like me just before I got saved......stuck in the sin I didn't want to be stuck in, unable to please God, but which God delivered me out of when I threw myself on his mercy and became born again. "Perhaps you should give it a whirl...Let me know if the “ lightbulb” Of True Christianity ever goes off in your head."
GracePeace
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@Ferris Bueller
You said “BB flat out says you can purposely live a sinful life after believing and you are still saved.”
I don’t find him saying that.
I am quite sure that if you’d ask him if he takes such liberty as license to sin, his answer would be NO. In my reading, he was talking about the assurance and security that the Christian have in Christ and what liberty he had in Christ. Actually, if you’d look with a loving heart, he was talking about profound things. Things I’d say only for the ears of the mature one. Giving such talk to babes would perhaps choke them. And giving such talk to the unsaved wise of the world would find that as foolish talk.
I suggest reading that in the context of the new heart and new spirit that God gave the saved, and that he is a son of God, a citizen of heaven, whose home is heaven, a new man created in Christ Jesus, and is not of this world.
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Too much to USE Scriptural terms?Men Converted IN Christ ARE Saved.
That includes BORN AGAIN men, who may be Christians OR Messanic Jews.
Non Converted men are NOT Saved.
"Christian" is a "Scriptural term". FYI.
Men Converted IN Christ ARE Saved.
That includes BORN AGAIN men, who may be Christians OR Messanic Jews.
Non Converted men are NOT Saved.
This is a Christian forum. You claim to be Christian. A Christian is someone who believes in Jesus, God of the Bible, the Savior and His Blood atonement. I'm a Christian!
Already acknowledged the 3 times Christian was mentioned in Scripture...never does it say, Christian mean Salvation.
Salvation mentioned over 70 times in Scripture IS Deliverance From the Power and Effects of SIN...
Christian does not Mean Salvation.
Again...Get a Dictionary.
"Christian" doesn't mean believer in Jesus?
You said you don't fear God. How are you qualified to tell us what "Christian" means?
Psalm 111:10 (NKJV)
10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom;
Then why did you say "everyone lives a sinful life after they're born again"? It's not very popular to set oneself ablaze where you live is it?
It’s simple....” The Spirit is Willing, But The Flesh is Weak.....”
If one is Born Again, His Nature is Two-Fold .....the Old Nature sins and loves it....for the New Nature , sin is an impossibility.....We are involved in “ Spiritual Warfare” where the Enemy is not Flesh and Blood—- our Enemy is Of a Spiritual Nature.....evil Powers in high places......we have one helluva struggle —- battling against the World, the Flesh and the Devil and even strict James admitted that “ we ALL Stumble in multiple ways....” We are all capable of giving in to the “ Deceitfulness Of Sin” and sadly, we all do.....
It’s like this: Within the Believer there are Two Dogs—- A Black Dog and a White Dog. The one that you
feed the most will be the Dominant One....All Of Those That “Persevere” will see that the Black Dog loses more and more as time goes by ....That “ Perseverance” is a gift of God —- God Grants it to His Children .....it’s HIS doing— not yours .....it’s important that you remember that....
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