Ferris Bueller
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Being cut off from God for all eternity. The old covenant failed to prevent that, because of the weakness of man.From trying save yourself by works from what?
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Being cut off from God for all eternity. The old covenant failed to prevent that, because of the weakness of man.From trying save yourself by works from what?
Yes! That's why I got saved, lol. And now I'm at rest in Christ from those things. Aren't you?Before being in Christ, were you in burden of trying to save (from what) yourself? Were you tired of serving sin?
I am not even arguing anything with you. I am just asking questions.OMGosh, Tong, when are you going to hear Jesus' words and believe them?Tong2020 said: ↑
So you would say that all Muslims, Buddhist, all of them for that matter, are all not practicing righteousness, am I right?
What do you say qualifies a person to be said to be practicing righteousness?
<<<A lifestyle grounded in the fruit of the Spirit can not be faked.>>>
So you don’t believe there are no fake righteous people, hypocrites?
“Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves." Matthew 7:15Why do you think for a moment a false prophet of Islam, Buddhism, or whatever is somehow capable of being inwardly the same as a born again Christian? Start believing what Jesus and John say about how you can tell a false believer from a true one. You can tell what's really on the inside of a tree and what kind of sap flows in it's veins by the fruit it bears. Stop telling me false believers are fruit bearers too. They have the leaves, the look of the tree, but they do not have the fruit. Can't you tell the difference in your own life when you didn't have the fruit of the Spirit and when you did? I don't know about you but I'm astounded by the difference between the old me and the new me. There's no way I or anyone else can fake such a change. It is truly a work of God, and God alone.
BB flat out says you can purposely live a sinful life after believing and you are still saved. He uses himself as an example of that. Ask him. The original Osas says the person who does that was never really saved to begin with. Anti-Osas says, if he was saved, ultimately, he forfeits the opportunity to come back to repentance and is lost.
But you profess to be Christian on your profile here.I don't care if you are Christian.
Jesus never mentioned Christian.
Obviously you can not understand, the name Christian, is a mere implication....
Converted, is an EXPRESS assured ONCE and Forever Gift.
Well, that might explain some things.NO, I do NOT FEAR GOD.
Romans 6:1-2Everybody lives a Sinful Life after they are Saved...
1) You're abusing that phrase, taking it out of context : Romans 5:20 says that the Law came in that the trespass might increase, but where sin increased, grace abounded more. The sin abounded PRIOR to faith, and for JEWS who were under Law.that’s why God bestows Grace upon His Children....thank God that where Sin Abounds, Grace SUPER Abounds
Then why did you say "everyone lives a sinful life after they're born again"? It's not very popular to set oneself ablaze where you live is it?I am a New Creation with a New Heart and New Desires—— My “Desire” to Sin is pretty much equal
You should realize that Blood Bought 1953 believes unbelievers go to Heaven.Romans 6:1-2
1What then shall we say? Shall we continue in sin so that grace may increase? 2Certainly not! How can we who died to sin live in it any longer?
1) You're abusing that phrase, taking it out of context : Romans 5:20 says that the Law came in that the trespass might increase, but where sin increased, grace abounded more. The sin abounded PRIOR to faith, and for JEWS who were under Law.
2) The very next verse Romans 5:21 says grace reigns through righteousness unto eternal life--wouldn't it be dishonest to claim you have grace when you have a bunch of sin (since grace reigns THROUGH RIGHTEOUSNESS)? Combine this with Romans 6:1-2 which I've already cited, and I think you're having a bad day as far as proving this doctrine.
Then why did you say "everyone lives a sinful life after they're born again"? It's not very popular to set oneself ablaze where you live is it?
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave..."
What a mess of contradiction. By his own admission, Chief of sinners, @Blood Bought 1953 , lives a sinful life, does whatever he wants (taking Martin Luther's quote out of context), yet claims he finds no pleasure in it, likening it to sticking his hand in a fire, and still has the audacity to claim that God transformed his wants, his sin being the impetus for clean living. Good grief, BB! You're like 68 years old and you say you've been a Christian for like, what, 45 years or something? When does this impetus kick in and you start living a clean life, lol? If what you've described is being born again, no thanks, you can have it. I'll stick with the born again experience I have and which lines up with scripture....Everybody lives a Sinful Life after they are Saved....that’s why God bestows Grace upon His Children....thank God that where Sin Abounds, Grace SUPER Abounds.....thank God that when we Sin , we have an ADVOCATE to defend us—— all He has to do is point to the Blood that lies atop the Mercy Seat in Heaven, then its “ Case Closed”....
I cant go to Hell no matter what I do....knowing that FACT is what keeps me from from desiring to Sin so much......
Living in God's Total Grace, knowing I can do whatever I WANT to do and STILL be Saved is the Impetus for Clean Living ......I do what I Want and God Transforms my “ Wants”......
I am a New Creation with a New Heart and New Desires—— My “Desire” to Sin is pretty much equal To my Desire to stick my hand in a Fire....I find no pleasure in it anymore.....Why, it’s as if I have been “ Born Again ! .....Perhaps you should give it a whirl—— Love God and live as you please.....Let me know if the “ lightbulb” Of True Christianity ever goes off in your head.....
Tsk, tsk, tsk.You should realize that Blood Bought 1953 believes unbelievers go to Heaven.
It certainly does.
Christians are saved! Imitation Christians are not saved.No Salvation does not MEAN Christian.
Get a dictionary.
@Ferris BuellerEverybody lives a Sinful Life after they are Saved....that’s why God bestows Grace upon His Children....thank God that where Sin Abounds, Grace SUPER Abounds.....thank God that when we Sin , we have an ADVOCATE to defend us—— all He has to do is point to the Blood that lies atop the Mercy Seat in Heaven, then its “ Case Closed”....Ferris Bueller said: ↑
BB flat out says you can purposely live a sinful life after believing and you are still saved. He uses himself as an example of that. Ask him. The original Osas says the person who does that was never really saved to begin with. Anti-Osas says, if he was saved, ultimately, he forfeits the opportunity to come back to repentance and is lost.
I cant go to Hell no matter what I do....knowing that FACT is what keeps me from from desiring to Sin so much......
Living in God's Total Grace, knowing I can do whatever I WANT to do and STILL be Saved is the Impetus for Clean Living ......I do what I Want and God Transforms my “ Wants”......
I am a New Creation with a New Heart and New Desires—— My “Desire” to Sin is pretty much equal To my Desire to stick my hand in a Fire....I find no pleasure in it anymore.....Why, it’s as if I have been “ Born Again ! .....Perhaps you should give it a whirl—— Love God and live as you please.....Let me know if the “ lightbulb” Of True Christianity ever goes off in your head.....
Christians are saved! Imitation Christians are not saved.
"Christian" is a "Scriptural term". FYI.Too much to USE Scriptural terms?
Men Converted IN Christ ARE Saved.
That includes BORN AGAIN men, who may be Christians OR Messanic Jews.
Non Converted men are NOT Saved.
"Christian" is a "Scriptural term". FYI.
This is a Christian forum. You claim to be Christian. A Christian is someone who believes in Jesus, God of the Bible, the Savior and His Blood atonement. I'm a Christian!
"Christian" doesn't mean believer in Jesus?Already acknowledged the 3 times Christian was mentioned in Scripture...never does it say, Christian mean Salvation.
You said you don't fear God. How are you qualified to tell us what "Christian" means?Salvation mentioned over 70 times in Scripture IS Deliverance From the Power and Effects of SIN...
Christian does not Mean Salvation.
Again...Get a Dictionary.
Romans 6:1-2
1What then shall we say? Shall we continue in sin so that grace may increase? 2Certainly not! How can we who died to sin live in it any longer?
1) You're abusing that phrase, taking it out of context : Romans 5:20 says that the Law came in that the trespass might increase, but where sin increased, grace abounded more. The sin abounded PRIOR to faith, and for JEWS who were under Law.
2) The very next verse Romans 5:21 says grace reigns through righteousness unto eternal life--wouldn't it be dishonest to claim you have grace when you have a bunch of sin (since grace reigns THROUGH RIGHTEOUSNESS)? Combine this with Romans 6:1-2 which I've already cited, and I think you're having a bad day as far as proving this doctrine.
Then why did you say "everyone lives a sinful life after they're born again"? It's not very popular to set oneself ablaze where you live is it?
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave..."