NayborBear
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God the Father in God the Son, and God the Son in God the Father, and all believers made one in them both: God the Father and God the Son.
Ok. Fair enough! Were you created then?
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God the Father in God the Son, and God the Son in God the Father, and all believers made one in them both: God the Father and God the Son.
Precisely! That's the point I was making. The miracles were performed by God, not by men, because men don't have the knowledge or ability to perform those miracles. So the point I was making was that Devin Wintch was incorrect when he said "by definition he performed miracles of nature which makes him a God". Jesus was a man, just like the Apostles and Old Testament prophets, so the miracles that God performed did not prove that Jesus was God, but they did confirm that Jesus was who he said he was - God's son.Don't be silly, they knew they weren't God and gave glory to God.
Don't be silly! God cannot beget himself and give birth to Himself! This is the type of confused nonsense that Trinitarins have to come up with in order to try and make sense of the nonsensical Trinity doctrine! Believe the straightforward Scriptures - God begat a son, who was present with God before any other living being and the physical universe were created, and later God translated His son into a human body in a virgins womb, so that His Son "became flesh, and lived among us" (John 1:14), and he was then given the name of Yeshua (Jesus).The true God was God in heaven from everlasting and then became the true God begotten of God upon the earth: Jesus.
Jesus was a man, just like the Apostles and Old Testament prophets, so the miracles that God performed did not prove that Jesus was God, but they did confirm that Jesus was who he said he was - God's son.
And he will call out to me, ‘You are my Father, my God, and the Rock of my salvation.’
Psalm 89:26
“Don’t cling to me,” Jesus said, “for I haven’t yet ascended to the Father. But go find my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”
John 20:17
For us, there is one God, the Father
1 Corinthians 8:6
May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace.
2 Corinthians 1:2
I was not appointed by any group of people or any human authority, but by Jesus Christ himself and by God the Father, who raised Jesus from the dead.
Galatians 1:1
May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace.
Ephesians 1:2
May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace.
Philippians 1:2
May God our Father give you grace and peace.
Colossians 1:2
I was not appointed by any group of people or any human authority, but by Jesus Christ himself and by God the Father, who raised Jesus from the dead.
Galatians 1:1
We are writing to the church in Thessalonica, to you who belong to God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
1 & 2 Thessalonians 1:1
May God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord give you grace, mercy, and peace.
1 & 2 Timothy 1:2
May God the Father and Christ Jesus our Savior give you grace and peace.
Titus 1:4
May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace.
Philemon 1:3
For God never said to any angel what he said to Jesus: “You are my Son. Today I have become your Father.”
God also said, “I will be his Father, and he will be my Son.
Hebrews 1:5
Pure and genuine religion in the sight of God the Father means caring
James 1:27
God the Father knew you and chose you long ago, and his Spirit has made you holy.
1 Peter 1:2
when he received honor and glory from God the Father.
2 Peter 1:17
We proclaim ... our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Jesus Christ.
1 John 1:3 (NOTE: Again no reference to the HS)
Grace, mercy, and peace, which come from God the Father
2 John 1:3
He has made us a Kingdom of priests for God his Father.
Revelation 1:6
Don't be silly! God cannot beget himself and give birth to Himself! This is the type of confused nonsense that Trinitarins have to come up with in order to try and make sense of the nonsensical Trinity doctrine!
Believe the straightforward Scriptures - God begat a son, who was present with God before any other living being and the physical universe were created, and later God translated His son into a human body in a virgins womb, so that His Son "became flesh, and lived among us (John 1:14), and he was then given the name of Yeshua (Jesus).
John 1 The Word was God. ... The Word became flesh and dwelt among us.
Jesus is God!
I didn't say who, but He certainly will burn BILLIONS of humans in the everlasting fire "forever and ever".
Revelation 20:10 (NKJV)
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Does it matter Who will burn unbelievers in Hell?
Matthew 13:41-42 (NKJV)
41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, 42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Revelation 20:10 (NKJV)
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Another Kingdom Hall victim?
A person or family, or even a small tribe of people residing in a geographical area having the reputation of "a land where the kenites dwell", does not mean that they (person, family, or small tribe) are "sons of cain."
Don't be silly! God cannot beget himself and give birth to Himself! This is the type of confused nonsense that Trinitarins have to come up with in order to try and make sense of the nonsensical Trinity doctrine! Believe the straightforward Scriptures - God begat a son, who was present with God before any other living being and the physical universe were created, and later God translated His son into a human body in a virgins womb, so that His Son "became flesh, and lived among us (John 1:14), and he was then given the name of Yeshua (Jesus).
Trinitarianism is self-contradictory, defying logic, definition and language usage. No one beget's themselves. Nonsense indeed!
What I find so pernicious is they act as though this self-contradictory doctrine is the heart of Scripture, as if there is a verse that says The nature of God is a trinity - consisting of the Father, Son & Holy Spirit - and if you do not believe this, you cannot be saved. Yet, the reality is, there is nothing like this.
I watched a video where a pastor explained how the trinity does NOT produce the fruit of the Spirit. Profound.
The idea that one God has a hierarchy with himself is absurd. 1 Corinthians 11:3.
If they have flesh and blood they are sons of Cain the corruptible seed or called daugthers of men in Genisis 6 .
A person must be born again by the water of the incoruptible word as sons of God.
1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
Hebrews 2:9 (WEB):"Another way we know Jesus is not God is that Jesus died"
And there you have it folks, straight from the whited horse's mouth (Rev 6): Jesus proved He was not God by dying. On the cross. He proved the unbelieving Jews were right, that He blasphemed when He tried to make Himself God (John 10), by declaring Himself to be the Christ, the 'Son of the blessed'. (Mark 14)
Indeed, God didn't leave Jesus dead. God resurrected Jesus to life again, 3 days later, and made Jesus "higher than the heavens" (Heb 7:26, as above)."For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption." (Acts 2)
You're mistaken to believe that only God could pay the redemption price - a life for a life. God had his Son, Jesus, pay the price, and it was God's pleasure that His son should be preeminent (superior to or above all others) in all things:Christ was the Holy One of Israel coming down out of heaven, and was named Jesus when born as a man, to pay the price for sins, that only God could pay and forgive.
Why would Jesus draw attention to himself if He were not the source of Life, the Way, the Truth, the Bread, the Resurrection, the Doorway, the Light of men, etc.?
If he wasn't God, and merely an angel, he would point to His Father to receive all the credit, as angels do.
You also must ask logically, how could Jesus take on the sins of the world for all of humanity and wash them away unless a he was God.
If I may expound on your comment?
God "conceived" Mary with the pure DNA! The same DNA as was Adam in the beginning, as well as Eve!
This DNA was not, nor had been corrupted, as had been Eve's, and then Adam's by the serpent, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
If I may expound on your comment?
God "conceived" Mary with the pure DNA! The same DNA as was Adam in the beginning, as well as Eve!
This DNA was not, nor had been corrupted, as had been Eve's, and then Adam's by the serpent, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
He did!If he wasn't God, and merely an angel, he would point to His Father to receive all the credit, as angels do.
No he didn't! You cannot raise yourself from death, by definition of what death is!He raised himself from the dead.
Again wrong. How can you receive authority unless someone of higher authority gives it to you? Jesus said after his resurrection, "All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth" (Matthew 28:18) - given to him by the only one who could give it to him - God.After that he was glorified and received all authority in heaven and on earth. Now to possess that power, you would ha r to be the ALL MIGHTY GOD.
Trinitarian belief is a dishonour to Jesus because it denies who he really is. Jesus is not an angel - he created all the angels (including Satan). The Bible clearly states that Jesus is God's son, over and over again ("Son of God" appears 47 times, and Jesus says "my Father" 62 times).All this denial is a dishonor to Christ, degrading Him to something lower than He is. This also strips Him if the worship that is due Him, for we are not supposed to bow to or worship angels.
Thank you much for your point.It would be difficult to deny that Jesus is God : God was married to Israel under the Old Covenant, and Jesus is husband to the People of God today.
Get ready, He is coming. If you are not ready to bow a knee and worship our Lord and Savior, then I guess you will have to wait and see what happens.It is the will of the Father - who alone is God - to save people through the sin he adopted, to prove his plan of redemption and resurrection.
Jesus is a man, as Scripture repeatedly & explicitly says, not an angel and not God.
False Alternative. It’s so funny to hear an illogical trinitarian invoke logic AS IF logic were his friend. Was the blood put on the door at Passover God? Of course not!