Proof that Jesus is God

[Colossians116]

Here is an interesting tidbit.

And God [‘eloheim] spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the LORD [Yhovah]: And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, [‘el Shadday] (Shadday meaning Mighty) but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

So, effectively He is LORD from the Old Testament as He fulfilled Exodus 14:24

Also, He fulfilled Isaiah 26:11

The agenda of those who say Jesus is not part of the Godhead or isn't even the Godhead is to further humiliate Christ. It is as if they are working selfishly and the fact that Jesus did everything for them while they either continued in sin or sat and did nothing gives them self-assurance. It is further humiliation, which is fine, but it is inaccurate.

 

[Wrangler]

President Trump is three, body, soul and spirit.

Trump is 5-fingered with hair, etc but is one being.

 

[Wrangler]

Monotheistic Jews are unbelieving Jews that ...

Wrote 'unitarian' text.

Th entire Bible is written by monotheist Jews. Obviously, that is reflected in their writing. BTW, Jews believe Adonai, the LORD God and Father of Jesus.

 

[MatthewG]

Thank God for the Lord Jesus Christ.

Praise be to them always, ... God bless have a wonderful day.

In a world like it is today, and people fight over words, the best thing to do is to let go and understand that this topic will go on for countless of centuries. Before you or I was even born the doctrine of the trinity, has been around.

People in historical times of the church, if they did not believe the or agree with the group of people who said this is the right way, and you have no right to question because the bible says this and that, is a huge loss for the ability to share the love of God and the love of the Lord Jesus Christ, by and through compassion and understanding.

Those who did not agree with them ( say in this case the trinitarians (which to me are believers, having brothers and sisters in Christ )) ~ Do not agree with the doctrine they may see and they may not understand the way another person looks at it unless they explain themselves clearly how they see God, and how the see Jesus Christ, and how they see the spirit - while also allowing the spirit of God to help you understand if the trinity is there, or help you understand that sometimes these things do not matter and as believers we should continue to live in faith and trust towards God and the Lord Jesus Christ. Also Love God, and Love Others.

Take care, and have a nice rest of the evening!

 

[Cooper]

Trump is 5-fingered with hair, etc but is one being.

Trump is one being with several attributes. So is God.
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[Cooper]

Th entire Bible is written by monotheist Jews. Obviously, that is reflected in their writing. BTW, Jews believe Adonai, the LORD God and Father of Jesus.

The MONOTHEIST Jews wrote about Jesus. Work it out.
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[robert derrick]

Thank God for the Lord Jesus Christ.

Praise be to them always, ... God bless have a wonderful day.

In a world like it is today, and people fight over words, the best thing to do is to let go and understand that this topic will go on for countless of centuries. Before you or I was even born the doctrine of the trinity, has been around.

People in historical times of the church, if they did not believe the or agree with the group of people who said this is the right way, and you have no right to question because the bible says this and that, is a huge loss for the ability to share the love of God and the love of the Lord Jesus Christ, by and through compassion and understanding.

Those who did not agree with them ( say in this case the trinitarians (which to me are believers, having brothers and sisters in Christ )) ~ Do not agree with the doctrine they may see and they may not understand the way another person looks at it unless they explain themselves clearly how they see God, and how the see Jesus Christ, and how they see the spirit - while also allowing the spirit of God to help you understand if the trinity is there, or help you understand that sometimes these things do not matter and as believers we should continue to live in faith and trust towards God and the Lord Jesus Christ. Also Love God, and Love Others.

Take care, and have a nice rest of the evening!

Fellowship in the Scripture is one thing. Inserting cultish doctrine such as a 'created christ' is entirely another. They are to be refuted and rebuked sharply by the Scriptures, that we and others may be sound in the faith. (Titus 1:13)

I have no problem fellowshipping in Christ with 'Oneness' Christians that say the Son is the Father and they are one and the same Person in the Godhead. They are mistaken, but not necessarily without Jesus in their hearts. And we can go around the Scripture for a while and finally agree to disagree.

But paganism doctored up as Biblic Christian doctrine is NOT a nice, let's get along, and fellowship in the blood, starting ground. The whole roiling mess of the Nicene creed would never have been necessary if not for Arian's injection of pagan 'unitarianism'.

But, we were forewarned about false teachers transforming themselves into angles of light, and are exhorted to read and study and be ready with Scripture to expose them as such. Which work of faith is highly commended by Jesus:

"I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars." (Rev 2)

Consider Apollos who was mighty in the Scriptures (Acts 18), and Paul who disputed daily (Acts 17) in the Scriptures with false teachers, and got himself stoned for it.

My first 15 years as a believing Christian in Jesus was wasted and nearly ruined my life, including losing my wife, because I was an unknowledgeable babe lured in by this kind of filthy dreaming and destructive garbage, that these Jehovahite pagans come all the way over here to push. And like the false leaders and teachers I knew, they do it with utmost courtesy and smiles and grinning teeth, that is ultimately stained with the poison of asps and the blood of the saints.

And I may not have heeded the kind of Scriptural rebuke and warning we have here, but I can say of a certainty that I would have like the chance at least.

So, my dear brother in the Lord, the praise and worship thread is available. Leave the tough work of sound Scriptural dispute to those made for it, by learning it the hard way.

 

[GRACE ambassador]

nonsensical Trinity doctrine!

Is God's Creation also nonsensical?:

ONE universal = THREE = time, space, And matter!
ONE atom = THREE = neutron, proton, AND electron!!
ONE person = THREE = body, soul, AND spirit!!! (1 Thessalonians 5 : 23 KJB!)???

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

I do not speak against The LORD God. The LORD God is Spirit and his Spirit is Holy.

That is true. But do you deny that the Father is not the other Helper (Holy Spirit) that Jesus promised the Father would send?
"And I will ask the Father. And He will give you another Helper, so that He may be with you forever."
John 14:16
This Helper also called the comforter is God, Whom I just gave a brief summary about. God dwells in us. The Father sent Him. So did the Father send Himself (referred to as another Helper)?

Never is the son the father.

"For to us a child is born, to us a So.oon is given and the government will be in His shoulders. And He will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace." ISAIAH 9:6

The LORD God raised Jesus from death.

That is correct, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit raised Him.
The Spirit raised Jesus - Romans 8:11
Jesus raised Himself - John 2:19; 10;18
Father raised Jesus - 1 Peter 1:3; Gal. 1:1; Acts 13:33

 

[MatthewG]

Fellowship in the Scripture is one thing. Inserting cultish doctrine such as a 'created christ' is entirely another. They are to be refuted and rebuked sharply by the Scriptures, that we and others may be sound in the faith. (Titus 1:13)

I have no problem fellowshipping in Christ with 'Oneness' Christians that say the Son is the Father and they are one and the same Person in the Godhead. They are mistaken, but not necessarily without Jesus in their hearts. And we can go around the Scripture for a while and finally agree to disagree.

But paganism doctored up as Biblic Christian doctrine is NOT a nice, let's get along, and fellowship in the blood, starting ground. The whole roiling mess of the Nicene creed would never have been necessary if not for Arian's injection of pagan 'unitarianism'.

But, we were forewarned about false teachers transforming themselves into angles of light, and are exhorted to read and study and be ready with Scripture to expose them as such. Which work of faith is highly commended by Jesus:

"I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars." (Rev 2)

Consider Apollos who was mighty in the Scriptures (Acts 18), and Paul who disputed daily (Acts 17) in the Scriptures with false teachers, and got himself stoned for it.

My first 15 years as a believing Christian in Jesus was wasted and nearly ruined my life, including losing my wife, because I was an unknowledgeable babe lured in by this kind of filthy dreaming and destructive garbage, that these Jehovahite pagans come all the way over here to push. And like the false leaders and teachers I knew, they do it with utmost courtesy and smiles and grinning teeth, that is ultimately stained with the poison of asps and the blood of the saints.

And I may not have heeded the kind of Scriptural rebuke and warning we have here, but I can say of a certainty that I would have like the chance at least.

So, my dear brother in the Lord, the praise and worship thread is available. Leave the tough work of sound Scriptural dispute to those made for it, by learning it the hard way.

Okay thank you for your response. Derrick.

He was made and brought back with the stab wound (he who knew no sin was made sin) of the line of David. He exalts in humble positions. In many ways He is a child. And is the Lamb.

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As He stated, Ezekiel 23:20 and Matthew 18:3-4

The two cherubim which attend on God are Jason Gastrow (better known as Dunkey) and his wife Leah

Not sure if I understand Colossians 116, but okay.

 

[Wrangler]

The MONOTHEIST Jews wrote about Jesus. Work it out.
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LOL. Same to you buddy - The MONOTHEIST Jews wrote about a servant of God, Chosen by God, Sent by God, told what to say by God, Raised from the dead by God, sits at the right hand of God. Work it out.

 

[Wrangler]

Fellowship in the Scripture is one thing. Inserting cultish doctrine such as a 'created christ' is entirely another.

It’s just a paraphrase of John 3:16, the begotten Christ.

The cultish doctrine is to pretend begotten does not mean created.

 

[Wrangler]

But do you deny that the Father is not the other Helper (Holy Spirit) that Jesus promised the Father would send?

Well, it’s more that I deny this Helper is God. Sent by God, yes. It’s nonsense to say God sent himself.

 

[Wrangler]

Scripture says in the beginning was God (not Father God) ..... and God came amongst us.
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Right but many other places Scripture makes it clear that God alone is the Father alone. See Eph 1:3

 

[Wrangler]

unitarian schmunitarian.

What's the difference between Unitarians and Unicorns?

Resorting to personal attacks is how you know you lost the argument.

 

[Colossians116]

Well, it’s more that I deny this Helper is God. Sent by God, yes. It’s nonsense to say God sent himself.

It works as both. The line of Judah and the line of Benjamin. Benyamim in Hebrew means "spirit man". So, in order to bring Him back, Christians followed the scripture. They, however, didn't do anything wrong - it worked like a... game. It was said to happen and so it did. In other words, He has perhaps even more power this time than He did long ago. He did also cause an earthquake in Japan because they wouldn't fix the video game Street Fighter in time to be more fair. But when they did, all sorts of volcanoes started going off around the world.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Well, it’s more that I deny this Helper is God. Sent by God, yes. It’s nonsense to say God sent himself.

Considering the Helper, Who contains all the attributes of God and lives in us, who do you think He is?
Comparing the attributes of God, the Holy Spirit offers the same: He teaches, guides, councels, leads, gives truth, hears, speaks, is all powerful (omnipotence), searches all truth which means He is all knowing (omniscient), is omnipresent since billions are comforted by Him and He dwells in them, He bears witness to Christ and glorifies Him, is wise, gives gifts, baptized us, makes promises, loves us, fellowships with us, sanctified us, justifies us, convicts us of sin and edifies us.
So who is He? Are you aware of Him? He confirms your belief in many ways. Have you felt His presence? If not, you are not saved yet, born again. And since He helps us to discern scripture, if you don't have Him, you won't.

 

[NayborBear]

"No he didn't! You cannot raise yourself from death, by definition of what death is!" -Jehovahite

"Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again." (John 10)

Jesus laid His eternal and everlasting life down on the cross willingly for our sins, and He took His eternal and everlasting life again in resurrection for our justification. (Rom 4)

You see, once you begin to make your own definitions of what things are, especially as pertaining to the things of God, you separate yourself from His things in order to bask in your own things. And definition of things.

Jehovahites are deniers of the Son as God, and so also deny the Father as God (1 John 2), that they may worship in the cult of a BIGGER GOD they call 'Jehovah', who's real name is Satan, an angel of light blinding their eyes with an abundance of pseudo-Greek profundity, offered up as scholarly Knowledge and Insight into just how Jesus is not The Lord God, but is in actuality only a littler Lord, who doesn't even begin to rate with their BIGGER LORD 'Jehovah'.

I did not make this stuff up. They did. I say let them keep making up more.

No Bobby! What you really are doing? Is telling everyone who is an elect?
That you are a sheep!
There's NOTHING wrong with being a sheep!

The "man" Jesus Christ, was/IS every much a "man" as you, or I am!

The "Spirit" In Jesus Christ? Is ALMOST the same Spirit as the "Spirit of God" that raised Him from the dead!

Until Jesus ascended into Heaven after having been GIVEN (please NOTE the word GIVEN) ALL AUTHORITY AND POWER, to SIT at the right hand side of His Father AT His throne.
AS the HEAD of His "Covenanted People!" Jew AND gentile!
Whatever one's persuasion prefers!

I guess what I'm trying to tell ya! You have not gotten past/through Christ enough, or refused to go unto the Father, to the point of either having deceived yerself? Or, deluded! Or? A little bit of both!

 

[robert derrick]

Okay thank you for your response. Derrick.



Not sure if I understand Colossians 116, but okay.

No problem. Matt.

Sorry I hurt your wittle feelings.

 

[robert derrick]

"What you really are doing? Is telling everyone who is an elect? That you are a sheep!"

Ah yes. The ELECT. As in the bigger believers of the BIGGER LORD Jehovah vs us littler believers in the littler Lord Jesus.

(Why do I keep getting this JW vibe? I mean, I know these Jehovahites are not JW's, but still...)

"The "man" Jesus Christ, was/IS every much a "man" as you, or I am!"

I did not know my mother was a virgin at my birth.

"The "Spirit" In Jesus Christ? Is ALMOST the same Spirit as the "Spirit of God"

Almost. Well, since the spirit in Jesus was almost the Spirit of God, then I guess that explains why the little Lord Jesus is almost the BIG LORD 'Jehovah'.

Look, this is really getting to easy. If not for my delighted fun in mocking these twirps of Scriptural mangling, I would just quote them and let them drown themselves in their own rubbish. I mean, how many times can you come up with such blatant stupidity??

And by the bold capital letters beginning to appear, I think they are about ready to crack altogether. Even the hardest of nuts can be cracked by the Word of God written for us in plain King's English.