So, are Daniel 7:25 and Amos 8:11-12 related in prophecy?

[The Parson]

In that context, I would say beginning not long after Amos' prophecy went forth. But that is admittedly conjecture on my part.

Yes sir, that would be purely conjecture. That was one of those "the Bible said what it means, and means what it said" sort of thingies. You said you had a KJV. Are you a King James user, or use another version?

 

[Hidden In Him]

Yes sir, that would be purely conjecture. That was one of those "the Bible said what it means, and means what it said" sort of thingies. You said you had a KJV. Are you a King James user, or use another version?

I quote NKJV because it usually has good word for word equivalence, but I study the original MSS if I am getting down to closely analyzing a text.

I said it is conjecture, but not without basis. How about if you tell me your view of Amos 8, and when and how v.11-12 will be or is already being fulfilled.

 

[amigo de christo]

That would be a tough thing to pin down. Judging by some of the things Isaiah prophesied before Judah's fall, the Lord "sealed up the vision," meaning the prophesy had been declared and now nothing would be allowed to turn it back. So He had this way of closing the ears of the people once judgment was set, lest they repent, and what had been prophesied be proven to be a lie.

In that context, I would say beginning not long after Amos' prophecy went forth. But that is admittedly conjecture on my part.

IN the reading of the whole of it , its saying the word , they wont hear a word FROM GOD . Its like GOD has said in other places ,
THEN shall they cry , but i will not answer them . Once the judgment begins . And notice
if we read a bit farther it says those who swear by the sin of samaria and say thy God o dan liveth .
WE can see this is a judgment against the ungodly . NOT against true believers . The true beleivers will always hear from God .
This has nothing to do with mandela effect at all . There are people who believe
that satan has , or science etc , opened a portal and they actually changed the bible . THIS IS NOT TRUE .
But we got folks believing it is . And amos does not back this theory up one bit , for this judgment AMOS spoke
of applied to the ungodly , NOT to the godly .

 

[Hidden In Him]

IN the reading of the whole of it , its saying the word , they wont hear a word FROM GOD . Its like GOD has said in other places ,
THEN shall they cry , but i will not answer them . Once the judgment begins . And notice
if we read a bit farther it says those who swear by the sin of samaria and say thy God o dan liveth .
WE can see this is a judgment against the ungodly . NOT against true believers . The true beleivers will always hear from God .
This has nothing to do with mandela effect at all . There are people who believe
that satan has , or science etc , opened a portal and they actually changed the bible . THIS IS NOT TRUE .
But we got folks believing it is . And amos does not back this theory up one bit , for this judgment AMOS spoke
of applied to the ungodly , NOT to the godly .

I tend to ignore discussions about the Mandela Effect, LoL.

 

[amigo de christo]

I quote NKJV because it usually has good word for word equivalence, but I study the original MSS if I am getting down to closely analyzing a text.

I said it is conjecture, but not without basis. How about if you tell me your view of Amos 8, and when and how v.11-12 will be or is already being fulfilled.

Ask him about the mandela effect . Let him teach you on that . THEN you will see real clearly what he is believing is not true .
Let him speak about this mandela effect . Watch and see .

 

[amigo de christo]

I tend to ignore discussions about the Mandela Effect, LoL.

PRAISE GOD my friend . Its untrue and we do not want to believe it . I dont like it either .

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Nope, none of that's happened yet. However, the antichrist will soon be revealed. I believe that with all my heart. But his spirit is already with us isn't it? 1 John 4:3

Gee, I wasn't even done yet - just finished, pressed the wrong button have way through.

 

[amigo de christo]

Gee, I wasn't even done yet - just finished, pressed the wrong button have way through.

I think you meant to type hALF way through . I See i am not the only one who does that . Praise the LORD my friend .

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

I think you meant to type hALF way through . I See i am not the only one who does that . Praise the LORD my friend .

Yes, spelling ... actually it was much less than half, he only read 8 lines of 60. He probably won't accept the rest anyways.

 

[Waiting on him]

Anyone care to convince a old preacher that these Bible changes aren't really happening???

Daniel 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out (I distinctly remember vex, and not wear out) the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

Amos said: 8:11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the Lord: 12 And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, (I also remember it being south, not east) they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the Lord, and shall not find it.

And the lion and lamb controversy, how about that?

Exert From: Dispensational Truth II, Pre-Millennialism, by Clarence Larkin
Originally published: 1918
Chapter 2
Pre-Millennialism

I've got tons more. Just looking for someone to talk me out of it.

Lol, the lamb lies down with the WOLF. I hope this doesn’t trouble you.

 

[Waiting on him]

Got issues, place Jesus in the center of all Scripture,,,,,, problem solved.

 

[Enoch111]

Daniel 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out (I distinctly remember vex, and not wear out) the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

Hello Parson, and Welcome:

As you well know (or should know) time (1 year) + times (2 years) + the dividing of time (6 months) is the same as time, times, and half a time (Rev 12) and 1,260 days (Rev 11) and 42 months (Rev 13). So that is a 3 1/2 year period given over to the reign of the Beast (the Antichrist, the Man of Sin, the Son of Perdition, the Little Horn). It is not applicable right now, since the Antichrist is yet to come. And first the temple in Jerusalem must be rebuilt, and the Church and the Holy Spirit (the divine Restrainer) "taken out of the way".

You could say that Amos 8:11,12 is currently applicable.

 

[Waiting on him]

 

[Waiting on him]

Isaiah 11:6 KJV
[6] The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

 

[Waiting on him]

Welcome to the forum Parson.

brther Paul was of the tribe of Benjamin (wolf )

 

[Waiting on him]

Hello Parson, and Welcome:

As you well know (or should know) time (1 year) + times (2 years) + the dividing of time (6 months) is the same as time, times, and half a time (Rev 12) and 1,260 days (Rev 11) and 42 months (Rev 13). So that is a 3 1/2 year period given over to the reign of the Beast (the Antichrist, the Man of Sin, the Son of Perdition, the Little Horn). It is not applicable right now, since the Antichrist is yet to come. And first the temple in Jerusalem must be rebuilt, and the Church and the Holy Spirit (the divine Restrainer) "taken out of the way".

You could say that Amos 8:11,12 is currently applicable.

that’s almost exactly how it’s described in the left behind series, also a great work of fiction.

 

[Waiting on him]

Messiah is cut off in the middle of the week. For the life of me I can’t understand how so many want to say this is a 2k + week?

 

[Waiting on him]

Dan= snake.

 

[Waiting on him]

Daniel 7:14 KJV
[14] And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

 

[The Parson]

Holy smokes... I go to Walmart for one hour and I've got an hour of catching up in this thread...

Lol, the lamb lies down with the WOLF. I hope this doesn’t trouble you.

Actually, it says the wolf shall dwell with the lamb, if I'm not mistaken. Not lie down with. But that's a common misconception.

As you well know (or should know) time (1 year) + times (2 years) + the dividing of time (6 months) is the same as time, times, and half a time (Rev 12) and 1,260 days (Rev 11) and 42 months (Rev 13). So that is a 3 1/2 year period given over to the reign of the Beast (the Antichrist, the Man of Sin, the Son of Perdition, the Little Horn). It is not applicable right now, since the Antichrist is yet to come. And first the temple in Jerusalem must be rebuilt, and the Church and the Holy Spirit (the divine Restrainer) "taken out of the way".

Yes sir, eschatology is one of my area's of study, as well as general biblical studies. I've been an apologist for a couple of decades now. I do understand. I never said he's here yet as a world ruler, but I did say his spirit is with us now according to 1 John.

That doesn't mean however that he hasn't been born yet, but clearly he hasn't been revealed. 2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; (KJV)

that’s almost exactly how it’s described in the left behind series, also a great work of fiction.

That was a terrible bit of fiction...

I tend to ignore discussions about the Mandela Effect, LoL.

believe it or not, I tend to ignore the nonsense of the ME myself. Parallel universes and multiple earths. That's nothing but science fiction gone rampant with those who don't seem to know any better. And what I'm asking about and talking about is Bible prophecy... Not fairy tales.