Christians Must Serve by the Law

[GracePeace]

Didn't you mean that Grace is established by faith?

The Law is established inasmuch as we are made righteous by grace.

 

[GracePeace]

I think it is more that we should not violate the law as a general rule. The exception is when the letter violates the Spirit, such as lying to protect innocent lives.

That was an objection which I then responded to.

 

[kcnalp]

Paul "lied" in a sense to pretend he was a Jew in order to win Jews 1 Corinthians 9:19-22. Jesus said to be shrewd like serpents but harmless like doves.

In a sense? lol

 

[Wrangler]

Grace is when God writes His laws on our hearts

Hmmm. How does this align with Jeremiah 31:33?

 

[GracePeace]

In a sense? lol

Yes, but he didn't sin by lying because he wasn't doing it for selfish purposes but for the enrichment/salvation of others.

 

[Wrangler]

That was an objection which I then responded to.

I know. It's just that I do not think your response were as insightful as mine. :)

 

[GracePeace]

Hmmm. How does this align with Jeremiah 31:33?

It is its fulfillment.

 

[Wrangler]

Paul "lied" in a sense to pretend he was a Jew in order to win Jews 1 Corinthians 9:19-22. Jesus said to be shrewd like serpents but harmless like doves.

In a sense? lol

Here is where kcnalp is a troll; completely ignoring the valid part of your sentence ... be harmless like doves.

 

[GracePeace]

I know. It's just that I do not think your response were as insightful as mine. :)

LOL I'm just sticking as closely to the Bible as I can.
Beside, how can you get more precise than my response? LOL
I correct the error of mis-defining "under", thus cutting their legs out from under them.

 

[Wrangler]

It is its fulfillment.

Please re-write this without pronouns. I don't understand what the 'it's' refer to. Thanks!

 

[GracePeace]

Please re-write this without pronouns. I don't understand what the 'it's' refer to. Thanks!

How does "Grace is God writing His laws on our hearts" align with Jeremiah 31:33?
"Grace is God writing His laws on our hearts" is Jeremiah 31:33's fulfillment.

 

[kcnalp]

Here is where kcnalp is a troll; completely ignoring the valid part of your sentence ... be harmless like doves.

You honestly don't know that accusing the writer of most of the NT of lying is a serious matter?

 

[GracePeace]

You honestly don't know that accusing the writer of most of the NT of lying is a serious matter?

He was being dishonest by pretending to be "under Law" wasn't he? He did this for their salvation though. This is by his own admission. Are you saying he was lying when he was admitting to lying? LOL You can't "rescue" Paul! He doesn't even need it!

 

[kcnalp]

He was being dishonest by pretending to be "under Law" wasn't he? He did this for their salvation though. This is by his own admission. Are you saying he was lying when he was admitting to lying? LOL You can't "rescue" Paul! He doesn't even need it!

Where did Paul say he lied???

 

[GracePeace]

Where did Paul say he lied???

I've already quoted him. PLEASE read! 1 Corinthians 9:19-22.

 

[kcnalp]

I've already quoted him. PLEASE read! 1 Corinthians 9:19-22.

You quoted where Paul said he lied???

 

[GracePeace]

You quoted where Paul said he lied???

To the Jew he became as a Jew--he presented as if under Law in order to win those under Law
He presented in a way that was not true : Paul was not under Law.
We're getting off topic.

 

[kcnalp]

To the Jew he became as a Jew--he presented as if under Law in order to win those under Law.
He presented in a way that was not true.
Paul was not under Law.
We're getting off topic.

To imply that Paul lied is saying that most of our NT was written by a liar.

 

[GracePeace]

To imply that Paul lied is saying that most of our NT was written by a liar.

Read 1 Corinthians 9:19-22 and show me where I am getting him wrong.
Start another thread because we're getting off topic.

 

[Grailhunter]

The point of the OP is in line with Jesus saying he has not come to abolish the law.

Christ did not abolish the Law because the Jews were still under the law as they are today. But as you will see, He abolished the law for Christians.

Jesus commands us to fulfill the law IN A SPIRIT OF LOVE.

Christ fulfilled the Law, we are no affect to the law and law is no affect on us.

The Law is not nullified by faith, but established by faith Romans 3:31; we fulfill the righteous requirement of the Law when we are under Grace Romans 8:4.

Galatians 3:25 But now faith that is come, we are no longer under a tutor.

Christian faith does not establish the law. The law came before Christian faith.

Romans 8:4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

Hebrews 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion sought for a second.

Hebrews 8:13 When He said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is about to disappear.

2nd Corinthians 3:7-10 But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away, how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious? For if the ministry of condemnation had glory, the ministry of righteousness exceeds much more in glory. For even what was made glorious had no glory in this respect, because of the glory that excels.

Galatians 5:2 Look! I, Paul, tell you that if you have yourselves circumcised, Christ will be of no benefit to you.

A little expanded on the detail
Galatians 5:1-6
It was for freedom that Christ set us free; therefore keep standing firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery. Look! I, Paul, tell you that if you have yourselves circumcised, Christ will be of no benefit to you. And I testify again to every man who has himself circumcised, that he is obligated to keep the whole Law. You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by the Law; you have fallen from grace. For we, through the Spirit, by faith, are waiting for the hope of righteousness. For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything, but faith working through love.

The morals of the law are inferior to the teachings of Christ. The spirit of the Law was of cruelty and Paul refers to it as a curse.