And I would say, those whom God saves, He does in fact save.God is saving. When He saves a person, that’s it. He does not fail.
His salvation is by grace.
And those He saves, He saves through faith.
Tong
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And I would say, those whom God saves, He does in fact save.God is saving. When He saves a person, that’s it. He does not fail.
His salvation is by grace.
And those He saves, He saves through faith.
Tong
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A person who does not live in Jesus' word is not His disciple.Notice Jesus said IF you abide in my word.
Can people not read?
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Would you call that a definite distinction between trusting God for temporal things and spiritual things? I don't believe God casts us off for failing in either case. I believe there is only one unforgivable sin.But, Paul does talk about growing in trust and Gods patience being meant to turn us away from disobedience of trust.
God gave us free will. It is the devil who bind us in chains. Those in the cults are already enslaved and the belief you are always saved because you once believed is a cult.
It is holding on to His word. We see such in the context, v.23-29.
It's all so that we will believe that we are His, and believe what He's done for us, and thereby benefit.Paul said to keep running the race, and to press towards the mark. The whole armour of God is to keep Satan at bay, if it were not, God was wasting his time and that He does not do. There is a plan and a purpose for everything God does, so use the tools h gave us.
Then there is no assurance. I heard this from the Southern Baptist church for the first 26 years of my life and it gave me no comfort at all. It is suitable for people who have strong willpower, naturally. For the rest of us, it is a plague.People who fall away never really believed.
How exactly do you quit believing when you know God?
Might we likewise quit believing there is a sun in the sky?
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That is what keeps me wondering about.
To think that Christians supposedly have the mind of Christ, that such thoughts comes to them even to the point of embracing that idea,
Scriptures tells us clearly that there is absolutely nothing that can separate those now who are in Christ from God and Jesus, that some have the mind that they consider their will power excluded from the absolute nothing that can separate one from God, is mind boggling for me.
This is why I brought up the questions for consideration: Do you think you can throw away Him you claim, profess, and confess to believe? Do you think you will ever desire or want to do that? Do you see any one reason that could change what today you claim, profess, and confess concerning God and Jesus?
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And that's where the entire debate swings.But to not be misunderstood, our remaining is not a condition to be saved. It points to the kind of faith or believing through which God saves.
Tong
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There is a difference in accepting and allowing to accomplish His purpose.That is a misnomer. Do you have scripture for that ?marks said: ↑
God won't accept sin in His presence, so either He's cleansed us from sin like He said, or ain't none of us gonna be there.
And if that were the real case why did God allow satan into his presence several times in heaven after he fell ?
Then there is no assurance. I heard this from the Southern Baptist church for the first 26 years of my life and it gave me no comfort at all. It is suitable for people who have strong willpower, naturally. For the rest of us, it is a plague.
Would you call that a definite distinction between trusting God for temporal things and spiritual things? I don't believe God casts us off for failing in either case. I believe there is only one unforgivable sin.
Isn't it amazing watching OSASers making up their fairy tale.No one ever stops believing
People who fall away never really believed. Oh they gave a mental assent to God...but they never made the deep heart change that belief requires. Never entered into a personal loving relationship with the Lord. Once you know the Lord, you cannot "unbelieve" you can reject Him, but you cannot say he does not exist
The bible is replete with examples telling us that if we believe in God then we will live like we believe
Works do not save, but they follow salvation. And if you are not doing these good things, then your faith is dead (aka non existent)
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.
Would you call that a definite distinction between trusting God for temporal things and spiritual things? I don't believe God casts us off for failing in either case. I believe there is only one unforgivable sin.
Isn't it amazing watching OSASers making up their fairy tale.
Another OSAS judge. Anyone who doesn't swallow the OSAS hoax was NEVER saved. lolOnce saved always saved is correct. But not everyone who claims to be saved has made the life change required by that belief
Yay! I can NEVER be unsaved! You said so!There is not a thing we can do to earn salvation. Jesus did it all. We just have to take it in and make it part of use.
God Front loaded Salvation so that we could live for Him
Better to stick with the Bible for doctrine than anecdotal experience.Ask BB. He said he fell away from God back to unbelief...
What I am saying that cannot happen to the true believers and true disciples, is lose salvation or be unsaved.They fell away. What did they fall away from? They fell away from the Lord.Tong2020 said: ↑
Yes they believed, but not the kind that Jesus spelled out in John 8:31. Such believing is that which is from man and not that which comes from God. It’s like every person, even the non Christian, can believe that he can do this and that, but ceases in time. That is the kind of believing that one who profess to believe and later ceases.
Satan was a fallen angel, Satan was in the presence of God, but he turned away from God. If you say it cannot happen, and it did, then you show up OSAS for the foolishness it is.
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