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BarneyFife

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I realize not many people will be with me on that. I can't see using the word horrible as an adjective for the Bible in any context, myself. To string these words together, "Horrible Old Testament" as sarcastic mockery, as if to make them my words, simply to serve his manipulative purposes. That's what that behavior is, you know. I ask him questions he cannot answer, point out things he does not wish seen, so he's taken to sarcasm and mocking, not just in this instance. He frequently deflects from responding this way. I point it out.



Actually the early believers had the Apostles, who also went on to write the Scriptures. I'm thinking that as they were teaching from the OT, they were including Christ's teaching of the New Covenant as well.

Paul didn't tell us that rebirth was like when God changed Saul's heart. No where is that comparison made, and when I look to see how it fits with the Scriptures in general, I don't see that playing out as a valid type. Abraham is given as the example, for instance. So why not go there for an example? The NT clearly identifies Abraham as the example of the imputation of righteousness because he believed God. But then Saul later backslid. So that serves the purpose better. I ask the question, why pick one over the other?

We are not in Apostolic times, and we read their teachings. I have this idea that as I hear @Ferris Bueller teaching New Covenant Theology but bypassing the New Testament in favor of the Old Testament teachings, and then ends up with ideas flatly contradicted in the New Testament, well, do you see where I'm going here?

I mean, at least either have a dialog, or just drop out, but these non-answers and deflections don't serve any meaningful purpose in my opinion.

Much love!
Well, okay, then.
 

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Redemption, Justification, Sanctification, and Salvation!

Redemption: 100 percent the work of God, thru the life, death, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus Christ! All mankind are redeemed in Christ! Eph 2
Galatians 2:16 3:13
Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law...
Christ alone accomplished the redemption of mankind apart from any works on our part!

Justification: our acceptance of redemption thru faith and baptism! Become a disciple and member of Christ and His Church! Jn 3:5 acts 2:38 Mk 16:16 He who believes and is baptized shall be saved. 1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.


Sanctification: the life of grace in the holy sacrifice of the mass and sacraments, prayer, virture, and good works, the just living by faith, and faith working thru love! Phil 1:29 called to suffer with Christ.
All done in Christ thru His grace! Jn 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Salvation: a christian in the state if grace at the moment of death we enter into the salvation of the Lord! Mt 24:44-47 faithful servant! Jn 15:1-5 abide in me. Mt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Heb 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
Heb 6:11 And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end:
Heb 4:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
Rom 13:11 ...for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

Suffering required for glorification with Christ!

Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:




1 Pet 3:20
Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
(Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
(Outside the ark all died and outside the church there is no salvation!)
 

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I realize not many people will be with me on that. I can't see using the word horrible as an adjective for the Bible in any context, myself. To string these words together, "Horrible Old Testament" as sarcastic mockery, as if to make them my words, simply to serve his manipulative purposes. That's what that behavior is, you know. I ask him questions he cannot answer, point out things he does not wish seen, so he's taken to sarcasm and mocking, not just in this instance. He frequently deflects from responding this way. I point it out.



Actually the early believers had the Apostles, who also went on to write the Scriptures. I'm thinking that as they were teaching from the OT, they were including Christ's teaching of the New Covenant as well.

Paul didn't tell us that rebirth was like when God changed Saul's heart. No where is that comparison made, and when I look to see how it fits with the Scriptures in general, I don't see that playing out as a valid type. Abraham is given as the example, for instance. So why not go there for an example? The NT clearly identifies Abraham as the example of the imputation of righteousness because he believed God. But then Saul later backslid. So that serves the purpose better. I ask the question, why pick one over the other?

We are not in Apostolic times, and we read their teachings. I have this idea that as I hear @Ferris Bueller teaching New Covenant Theology but bypassing the New Testament in favor of the Old Testament teachings, and then ends up with ideas flatly contradicted in the New Testament, well, do you see where I'm going here?

I mean, at least either have a dialog, or just drop out, but these non-answers and deflections don't serve any meaningful purpose in my opinion.

Much love!

new are in apostolic times matt 28:18-20
Ez 36-25-37 new birth born again
Holy sacrament or promise of God a sacred oath which is a sacrament
 

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These things being applied, in what way does that affect us? That Jesus rose from the dead, in applying His resurrection from among the dead ones to me, what does that mean for me?

Like, if you apply a tax, I pay. Apply a cold compress, I chill. Apply pressure, I bruise. Apply Jesus' resurrection, I _________ what?

Much love!

Apply Jesus' resurrection, and I live!

Much love!
 
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you still have free will
Still can choose to sin

Galatians 5:4
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

  1. 1 John 5:16
    If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not untodeath. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.

    Repentance is possible so is sin
That’s why we require grace.

otherwise we would be under law. And we would all be condemned
 
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BloodBought 1953

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baptism
Sacrament
Sacred oath
Promise of God

ez 36:25-27


Four Ways to “Fall From Grace” If you Add these otherwise great things to Paul’s Gospel Of Grace Plus Nothing Found in 1cor15:1-4...and claim that these things must be done to GET Saved or must be done to STAY Saved.....
 
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Yet 30 year old plus so called people who have been of the church for decades can’t.

its sad
Because if they once did receive the Holy Spirit they have learned how to quench the Spirit and have made a habit of it over the years!
 

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This passage needs to be studied...

1Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God, and everyone who loves the Father also loves those born of Him.2By this we know that we love the children of God: when we love God and keep His commandments. 3For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome, 4because everyone born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world: our faith.5Who then overcomes the world? Only he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God. 6This is the One who came by water and blood, Jesus Christ—not by water alone, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who testifies to this, because the Spirit is the truth. For there are three that testify:8the Spirit, the water, and the blood—and these three are in agreement.9Even if we accept human testimony, the testimony of God is greater. For this is the testimony that God has given about His Son. 10Whoever believes in the Son of God has this testimony within him; whoever does not believe God has made Him out to be a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has given about His Son.11And this is that testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. 12Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. 1John 5
So why do many churches entertain the lie , the all inclusive lie , which says that all religoins know GOD , if they do good and have love .
WHY would we ever entertain a false gospel like that one . Those who do , DO NOT KNOW CHRIST .
FOR to be saved , ONE MUST BELIEVE IN HIM , CONFESS HIM by MOUTH and believe from the heart that GOD has rose Him from the dead .
IF we follow another all inclusive jesus , we follow a false one , and not CHRIST .
FOR CHRIST even told the UNBELIEVING JEWS they were of their father the devil . SO HOW on earth can muslims be of GOD
or athiests , or buddist or any other lie . Folks if we claim JESUS is our way , YET we say they have thier own way ,
WE LIE and WE ARE NOT HIS . Cause any lamb who is HIS would KNOW that in order to be saved , to know GOD
to have Life , YE MUST CONFESS JESUS BY MOUTH . SO how many here entertain the thought
of this all inclusive lie which says otherwise . The problem is that many are following another jesus
and if we follow and love another jesus , then we are not saved and our end is the second death .
This is why i often tell folks , learn the biblical JESUS well and all things the apostels also taught .
 
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Four Ways to “Fall From Grace” If you Add these otherwise great things to Paul’s Gospel Of Grace Plus Nothing Found in 1cor15:1-4...and claim that these things must be done to GET Saved or must be done to STAY Saved.....
Dont heed the RCC my friend . Dont do it .
But let me leave you with a simple truth .
If the JESUS we confess and follow , is contrary to the biblical one , We follow another jesus and thus our end will be the second death .
I suggest we all learn the original biblcal JESUS well , ensure its HE who we do love and whose we truly are .
Cause many , in the name of a false grace , teach that we can deny His sayings , that they no longer apply to us .
THESE DO NOT KNOW CHRIST , they follow the spirit of anti Christ . And no marvel , for even satan
can come quoating the name of JESUS and yet preach another jesus which fits Him , NOT JESUS . MANY serve Satan
and they know it not . THEY USE the name of JESUS , but the JESUS they love , obey and claim to trust
they omit HIs sayings and serve satans sayings . ITS bad news BB . WE need to get back into bibles
and learn that JESUS . ENSURE its that JESUS we love and believe in . FOR JESUS serves not the flesh . And
many have created an image of JESUS that serves their flesh . ITS a lie BB . WE better get in our bibles and learn them well .
 
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Yes, there is a change. You become a different person....

The Spirit of the Lord will come powerfully upon you, and you will prophesy with them; and you will be changed into a different person. 1 Samuel 10:6
This is the truth that escaped Nicodemus—a man who should have known the scriptures—when Jesus said you must born again. John 3:9-10.
Exactly . Spot on right .
I know from not only the scriptures but by personal experience on the day i was truly born again .
HE put whole new desires in my heart , Whole new direction . The LOVE OF TRUTH , OF RIGHTEOUSNESS , HE PUT THAT IN MY HEART .
But for years i was one who could say JESUS , but i lived and loved sin . THAT man was and had what is known as DEAD FAITH .
That faith had no works , or i should say its works of were of the flesh and evil .
BUT the true works that came with the true faith , THOSE works loved righteousness , holiness , truth , the WORD and words OF GOD .
THAT IS HOW YE SHALL KNOW THEM . BY THEIR FRUITS . MANY follow another jesus , JUST LIKE I DID .
One who lets them FEEL saved , and yet still cling to sin . What a lie i once lived . OH BUT PRAISE GOD
for the true grace of GOD which did appear . That actually gave me a whole new heart .
 

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yep

We are members of Christ in His grace thru the sacraments but salvation is for those who are faithful till death



Hebrews 9:27
And as it is appointed unto men once todie, but after this the judgment:


Gal 1:8.....” If anyone preaches a different Gospel than what we preach—- let him be Accursed”

The Gospel is Believing Jesus died for your Sins and rose from the dead...Nothing....REPEAT, NOTHING mentioned about “ Sacraments”...

I love many people that adhere to Romanism.....I HATE their Doctrine ....it’s a False and Perverted Gospel ....ALL that Follow it have “ Fallen From Grace” and those that teach it are “ Accursed”—- take my word for Nothing, just read the short Book Of Galatians and tell me that I am wrong ....this is not “ catholic bashing” —- 90% of the Protestant Churches are no better.At least the Romanists are up- front about it and thank God , Many Romanists get saved” Despite” their False Doctrines....