Vaccine... Again, sorry.

[BarneyFife]

I do wish that conspiracy theories would be banned altogether. All it does is scare people and make them upset. It doesn't seem to have any place on a Christian forum.

We can't be messing with the first amendment, AR. It guarantees religious liberty, which we can never afford to surrender.

 

[BarneyFife]

I do wish that people would just shut up about it and leave me alone for having received it!!!

Who's bugging you?

 

[amadeus]

I don't believe they're getting you here, John. Unless I'm not.

Which ever way we choose on the vaccine thing and whatever questions we or anyone else asks, God does have the right answers. This whole thread may have been intended as a spoof, but there is some realities for people to see... if they have eyes to see. On both sides [get vaccine or don't] there are some who insist. God does not insist that we get on His side and stay there, but I am sure He wants to... He loves us but He will not twist anyone's arm to get them into His camp!

 

[BarneyFife]

Nobody's bothering me. Yet

Of course, I haven't made an announcement. I didn't think it would be wise.

 

[dev553344]

He loves us but He will not twist anyone's arm to get them into His camp!

Hmmm,

Hebrews 12:6-7

King James Version

6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

 

[April_Rose]

We can't be messing with the first amendment, AR. It guarantees religious liberty, which we can never afford to surrender.

I missed the part where this has to do with the first amendment. :/

Who's bugging you?

Almost everybody who's an anti-vacciner.

 

[APAK]

I do wish that conspiracy theories would be banned altogether. All it does is scare people and make them upset. It doesn't seem to have any place on a Christian forum.

What's the diff between a conspiracy theory and a conspiracy fact? And who coined the first term, if you know already?

 

[Brakelite]

So the best I can figure is that we're supposed to believe that the government (under both Trump and Biden) is complicit in a conspiracy whose end-game is to kill off all of its taxpayers...

because that would be a good thing for the government(?)

What happened to the microchip theory?

Or the one where the military was supposed to take over the government and hand it back to Trump? One person even insisted that the Bible spelled this one out. It was touted by high-octane, retired General officers (genius experts).

The vaccine or whatever we're supposed to call it is still voluntary, isn't it?

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Help me out, here, folks.


I don't believe they're getting you here, John. Unless I'm not.

So what if people get jabbed before watching the video? Are they beyond saving?

And Bitchute.com? The tin-foil hat wearer's YouTube? Haven't we heard enough nonsense from them already?

Backlit, I'm kind of surprised that you would buy this stuff.

I haven't suggested that the Government is involved in any conspiracy to kill all its citizens. What I've posted is enough, at least for me, to cause me pause when considering my alternatives. There are sufficient numbers of well qualified scientists and medical professionals who themselves have serious doubts, even negative assertions regarding the vaccine, to tell me that not all who do have skin in this game are going along for the ride.
I simply do not want to be a guinea pig for a known eugenicist, supported by Hollywood celebrities and promoted by politicians whose interests and motives at best are dubious.
The very fact that simple logic and common sense isn't sufficient to convince so many that a vaccine is even necessary, let alone this new experimental concoction, and is now necessary to gently coerce people into accepting it under threat of the loss of travel privileges and entry to certain buildings and social benefits etc, seems to me similar to the Catholic church's "inducements" to the Sabbath keepers in early centuries to accept Sunday, in the absence of any real scriptural evidential support for Sunday sacredness.
At this stage, I ain't buyin' it.

 

[BarneyFife]

Which ever way we choose on the vaccine thing and whatever questions we or anyone else asks, God does have the right answers. This whole thread may have been intended as a spoof, but there is some realities for people to see... if they have eyes to see. On both sides [get vaccine or don't] there are some who insist. God does not insist that we get on His side and stay there, but I am sure He wants to... He loves us but He will not twist anyone's arm to get them into His camp!

I don't even insist that people not harrass me. I read the part of the Book that says:

These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world. (John 16:33)​

 

[April_Rose]

What's the diff between a conspiracy theory and a conspiracy fact? And who coined the first term, if you know already?

I'm not sure what you're asking me on the second question, but there doesn't seem like much of a difference actually.

 

[amadeus]

Hmmm,

Hebrews 12:6-7

King James Version

6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

Chastisement would be for someone already in the camp that needs correction. For instance when my little son is making a mess in my back yard, it is my job to render any deserved punishment [chastisement], not the neighbor who happens to witness his mess making. The child is not in his camp. The child is not his son!

Arm twisting would be if I saw a little boy unrelated to me walking along and decided I would make him become part of my family subject to my authority without consulting the boy to see what he thought about it.

 

[BarneyFife]

The very fact that simple logic and common sense isn't sufficient to convince so many that a vaccine is even necessary, let alone this new experimental concoction, and is now necessary to gently coerce people into accepting it under threat of the loss of travel privileges and entry to certain buildings and social benefits etc, seems to me similar to the Catholic church's "inducements" to the Sabbath keepers in early centuries to accept Sunday, in the absence of any real scriptural evidential support for Sunday sacredness.
At this stage, I ain't buyin' it.

Buy or don't buy all you like. It ain't the same. And you ought to know better. We wrestle not... But you're a free moral agent.

When I was a kid, you had to get your shots if you wanted to travel. Nobody was comparing it to the church in the wilderness. You're not the only one with common sense.

 

[BarneyFife]

I'm not sure what you're asking me on the second question, but there doesn't seem like much of a difference actually.

Yeah, I don't get it, either.

 

[BarneyFife]

Chastisement would be for someone already in the camp that needs correction. For instance when my little son is making a mess in my back yard, it is my job to render any deserved punishment [chastisement], not the neighbor who happens to witness his mess making. The child is not in his camp. The child is not his son!

Arm twisting would be if he saw a little boy unrelated to me walking along and decided I would make him become part of my family subject to my authority without consulting the boy to see what he thought about it.

The only person who tried to twist my arm was my wife. I haven't felt any real pressure either way. Rants on an Internet bulletin board have never constituted harassment to me. Maybe it's just my generational point-of-view as a baby-boomer, but I know where the -OFF- switch is on my devices.

 

[dev553344]

Chastisement would be for someone already in the camp that needs correction. For instance when my little son is making a mess in my back yard, it is my job to render any deserved punishment [chastisement], not the neighbor who happens to witness his mess making. The child is not in his camp. The child is not his son!

Arm twisting would be if he saw a little boy unrelated to me walking along and decided I would make him become part of my family subject to my authority without consulting the boy to see what he thought about it.

So, just curious, what do you make of God killing the first born of Egypt, or Sodom and Gomorrah? God has a say in those that are his sons and those that aren't.

 

[BarneyFife]

I missed the part where this has to do with the first amendment. :/

"Banning conspiracy theories?" It's a definite 1st Amm deal-breaker. People have to be allowed to express themselves as long as it's not truly harmful or obscene. That's my interpretation, anyway.

 

[BarneyFife]

So, just curious, what do you make of God killing the first born of Egypt, or Sodom and Gomorrah? God has a say in those that are his sons and those that aren't.

We're all His children, but not all sons, so to speak.

 

[April_Rose]

"Banning conspiracy theories?" It's a definite 1st Amm deal-breaker. People have to be allowed to express themselves as long as it's not truly harmful or obscene. That's my interpretation, anyway.

Again, this has absolutely nothing to do with the first amendment. Forum rules are forum rules. (Even though for the time being it's allowed here) Just like you can't make threats towards a person and expect that the police will be on your side. Freedom of speech doesn't mean it doesn't have limitations.

 

[dev553344]

This thread is inflaming the truth and the affect is to scare people that have the vaccine or scare people out of getting the vaccine. Either way it doesn't appear to be truthful.

 

[amadeus]

The only person who tried to twist my arm was my wife. I haven't felt any real pressure either way. Rants on an Internet bulletin board have never constituted harassment to me. Maybe it's just my generational point-of-view as a baby-boomer, but I know where the -OFF- switch is on my devices.

I read what they write or listen to what someone is saying about it, but when it comes down to the it the decision is mine alone... with the same exception you mentioned our wives. That is the other half of us and we need to pay serious attention to any input from her. My wife is a lot light weight than me and physically much weaker, but she does know which buttons to push to twist my arm.