Coat or Garment of Many Colors

[BarneyFife]

Coat of many colors Gen 37:3 and II Sam 13:18

"Now Israel loved Joseph more than all his children, because he was the son of his old age: and he made him a coat of many colours" Gen 37:3

"And she had a garment of divers colours upon her: for with such robes were the king's daughters that were virgins apparelled..." II Sam 13:18

Coat [in Gen 37:3 & 23]
Garment [in II Sam 13:18]


tntk K@thoneth (keth-o'-neth); Noun Feminine, Strong #: 3801

1. 
   
   
   • tunic, under-garment
     1. a long shirt-like garment usually of linen

KJV Word Usage and Count
coat 23
garment 5
robe 1
*****************************************
Colours [In Gen 3:3 and 3:37 as well as in & II Sam 13:18]

op Pac (pas); Noun Masculine, Strong #: 6446

1. 
   
   
   • flat (of the hand or foot), palm, sole
     1. of the tunic reaching to palms and soles (fig.)

KJV Word Usage and Count
colours 5
***********************************************
The following is a slighted edited version it from my own forum post on 5-22-2019 [possibly not this forum?]:

I took note of the two different scriptural coats/garments of many colors a number of years ago and set it aside for a study which to date I have not done although I have asked questions of other people about it previously. Your [unidentified person on an unrecalled forum... maybe this one?] mention of it here brought it back to mind now. What do they mean to you? You say you've 'done both'.

Joseph's coat was a special gift from his father [Jacob/Israel], which stirred up, to put it mildly, the animosity of his brothers, who were also sons of the same father but not of the same mother. It is certainly an early example of sibling rivalry and/or jealousy.

Tamar, on the other hand, wore her garment apparently because she was a daughter of the King, King David of Israel.

Joseph was sold into slavery by his brothers.

Tamar was raped by her brother and avenged by another brother.

Each of the two had a special covering garment which became defiled. They both garments were of diverse colors. Is this connected in any way to the rainbow God displayed after the great flood in the time of Noah? Did not God say, "never again" would there be such a destruction by flood?

Joseph's coat was purposely dipped in the blood of a dead animal his brothers killed for that purpose.

Tamar tore her own garment purposely to make manifest to any observer her humbled state.

That's it! Hopefully someone is able to make a definitive connection or has even done a study on it previously. What message, if any, does God have for us in the two events and the two many colored garments?

Both were overpowered by one or more siblings, Joseph by his jealous brothers and Tamar by her lustful brother. In both cases the feelings of the victim were essentially or completely ignored. The one was sold into slavery and the other painfully used and disgraced before men... [and God?]

There is nothing to indicate how Joseph may have resisted or argued against his brothers action against him. They removed his coat of many colors, tore it purposely and stained it with animal blood to make their father believe some animal had killed him.

In the case of Tamar, when she realized her brother, Amon's purpose, she told him to ask King David to give her to him for surely the King would not refuse him. He ignored her words and forced himself on her. Afterward when he had her forcibly ejected from the house, she again spoke telling him that this rejection of her was worse than the rape. She tore the many colored garment herself and put ashes on her head and cried.

The response of the two fathers, Jacob and David?

"And Jacob rent his clothes, and put sackcloth upon his loins, and mourned for his son many days." Gen 37:34

What we know of Jacob's reaction to the truth is seen after his death through the words of the guilty brothers which were certainly at least in part very self-serving:

"And when Joseph's brethren saw that their father was dead, they said, Joseph will peradventure hate us, and will certainly requite us all the evil which we did unto him.
And they sent a messenger unto Joseph, saying, Thy father did command before he died, saying,
So shall ye say unto Joseph, Forgive, I pray thee now, the trespass of thy brethren, and their sin; for they did unto thee evil: and now, we pray thee, forgive the trespass of the servants of the God of thy father. And Joseph wept when they spake unto him.
And his brethren also went and fell down before his face; and they said, Behold, we be thy servants.
And Joseph said unto them, Fear not: for am I in the place of God?
But as for you, ye thought evil against me; but God meant it unto good, to bring to pass, as it is this day, to save much people alive." Gen 50:15-20

Here is David's reaction when he heard of the rape of his daughter by his son.

"But when king David heard of all these things, he was very wroth." II Sam 13:21

No further words or actions from David with regard to his daughter's rape. Another son, Absalom, avenged the rape by killing Amnon, but David seemingly was more concerned with the death of Absalom than he had been by the rape of his daughter.

Several similarities, but some definite differences as well. Thoughts? Understanding? Helps?

It probably sounds off-the-wall, but I can't help but think of Christ Himself whenever I hear the words "garment" or "coat" used. And I can't help but wonder if this came up in the Bible study on the road to Emmaus, since He expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning Himself.

Garments are primarily intended to shield mankind from the elements of the world. It was Adam and Eve who first soiled themselves with worldly pursuits and God has been trying to keep us covered ever since. Of course, it is a metaphor for the righteousness of Christ, which was first promised to the Edenic pair.

Conversely, in Revelation 3:18, Christ declares to the last generation church (according to many scholars) that we're still running around naked and unregenerate. He counsels us to buy gold, which some interpret symbolically as faith (1 Peter 1:7 even refers to Revelation--the Greek word in Revelation 1:1 is even the same) and white garments (righteousness, which is by faith and of grace). Everything fits fairly nicely.

This garment business is all-important as the theme imbues Scripture. It is everything to us and it is all of Christ.

And he answered and spake unto those that stood before him, saying, Take away the filthy garments from him. And unto him he said, Behold, I have caused thine iniquity to pass from thee, and I will clothe thee with change of raiment. (Zechariah 3:4)
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First, last, and in-between :)

 

[Ziggy]

And he answered and spake unto those that stood before him, saying, Take away the filthy garments from him. And unto him he said, Behold, I have caused thine iniquity to pass from thee, and I will clothe thee with change of raiment. (Zechariah 3:4)

That made me think about Joseph.
He not only had his clothing changed, but his stature as well.
From least (slave/youngest) to 2nd in command to Pharaoh.

Kind of like Moses from Hebrew cloth in a woven basket, to Son of Pharaoh's daughter.

The rising and the falling.

 

[amadeus]

That made me think about Joseph.
He not only had his clothing changed, but his stature as well.
From least (slave/youngest) to 2nd in command to Pharaoh.

Kind of like Moses from Hebrew cloth in a woven basket, to Son of Pharaoh's daughter.

The rising and the falling.

Amen!

 

[Mayflower]

Several sometime lengthy comments, but only consider the two many colored garments. One was worn by Joseph who was sent in slavery to Egypt. The other was worn by Tamar, daughter of David the King, who was raped by her brother, Amnon. Both of them were abused by their own siblings!

That is pretty sad... But I think no matter what earthly garment they got, in Christ, their spiritual garments never were torn.

 

[Mayflower]

More garment verses:

Zechariah 3:4

He spoke and said to those who were standing before him, saying, “Remove the filthy garments from him.” Again he said to him, “See, I have taken your iniquity away from you and will clothe you with festal robes.”
Source: 29 Bible verses about Garments

Isaiah 61:3

To grant those who mourn in Zion,
Giving them a garland instead of ashes,
The oil of gladness instead of mourning,
The mantle of praise instead of a spirit of fainting.
So they will be called oaks of righteousness,
The planting of the Lord, that He may be glorified.
Source: 29 Bible verses about Garments

Isaiah 61:10

I will rejoice greatly in the Lord,
My soul will exult in my God;
For He has clothed me with garments of salvation,
He has wrapped me with a robe of righteousness,
As a bridegroom decks himself with a garland,
And as a bride adorns herself with her jewels.
Source: 29 Bible verses about Garments

Not to mention all the times it mentions wedding garments and how important those are...

 

[amadeus]

That is pretty sad... But I think no matter what earthly garment they got, in Christ, their spiritual garments never were torn.

Remember that we all started out naked. In Eden before the disobedience it caused no trouble, but then when they were put out of the garden they noticed and prepared their own coverings of fig leaves. It was going to take more than that. But then as you indicate there are spiritual garments...which might be seen in the armour described here:

"Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:" Eph 6:13-17

 

[Mayflower]

Remember that we all started out naked. In Eden before the disobedience it caused no trouble, but then when they were put out of the garden they noticed and prepared their own coverings of fig leaves. It was going to take more than that. But then as you indicate there are spiritual garments...which might be seen in the armour described here:

"Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:" Eph 6:13-17

I guess they are garments we have to choose to put on! Thanks Amadeus!!!

 

[Mark Balicki]

Coat of many colors Gen 37:3 and II Sam 13:18

"Now Israel loved Joseph more than all his children, because he was the son of his old age: and he made him a coat of many colours" Gen 37:3

"And she had a garment of divers colours upon her: for with such robes were the king's daughters that were virgins apparelled..." II Sam 13:18

Coat [in Gen 37:3 & 23]
Garment [in II Sam 13:18]


tntk K@thoneth (keth-o'-neth); Noun Feminine, Strong #: 3801

1. 
   
   
   • tunic, under-garment
     1. a long shirt-like garment usually of linen

KJV Word Usage and Count
coat 23
garment 5
robe 1
*****************************************
Colours [In Gen 3:3 and 3:37 as well as in & II Sam 13:18]

op Pac (pas); Noun Masculine, Strong #: 6446

1. 
   
   
   • flat (of the hand or foot), palm, sole
     1. of the tunic reaching to palms and soles (fig.)

KJV Word Usage and Count
colours 5
***********************************************
The following is a slighted edited version it from my own forum post on 5-22-2019 [possibly not this forum?]:

I took note of the two different scriptural coats/garments of many colors a number of years ago and set it aside for a study which to date I have not done although I have asked questions of other people about it previously. Your [unidentified person on an unrecalled forum... maybe this one?] mention of it here brought it back to mind now. What do they mean to you? You say you've 'done both'.

Joseph's coat was a special gift from his father [Jacob/Israel], which stirred up, to put it mildly, the animosity of his brothers, who were also sons of the same father but not of the same mother. It is certainly an early example of sibling rivalry and/or jealousy.

Tamar, on the other hand, wore her garment apparently because she was a daughter of the King, King David of Israel.

Joseph was sold into slavery by his brothers.

Tamar was raped by her brother and avenged by another brother.

Each of the two had a special covering garment which became defiled. They both garments were of diverse colors. Is this connected in any way to the rainbow God displayed after the great flood in the time of Noah? Did not God say, "never again" would there be such a destruction by flood?

Joseph's coat was purposely dipped in the blood of a dead animal his brothers killed for that purpose.

Tamar tore her own garment purposely to make manifest to any observer her humbled state.

That's it! Hopefully someone is able to make a definitive connection or has even done a study on it previously. What message, if any, does God have for us in the two events and the two many colored garments?

Both were overpowered by one or more siblings, Joseph by his jealous brothers and Tamar by her lustful brother. In both cases the feelings of the victim were essentially or completely ignored. The one was sold into slavery and the other painfully used and disgraced before men... [and God?]

There is nothing to indicate how Joseph may have resisted or argued against his brothers action against him. They removed his coat of many colors, tore it purposely and stained it with animal blood to make their father believe some animal had killed him.

In the case of Tamar, when she realized her brother, Amon's purpose, she told him to ask King David to give her to him for surely the King would not refuse him. He ignored her words and forced himself on her. Afterward when he had her forcibly ejected from the house, she again spoke telling him that this rejection of her was worse than the rape. She tore the many colored garment herself and put ashes on her head and cried.

The response of the two fathers, Jacob and David?

"And Jacob rent his clothes, and put sackcloth upon his loins, and mourned for his son many days." Gen 37:34

What we know of Jacob's reaction to the truth is seen after his death through the words of the guilty brothers which were certainly at least in part very self-serving:

"And when Joseph's brethren saw that their father was dead, they said, Joseph will peradventure hate us, and will certainly requite us all the evil which we did unto him.
And they sent a messenger unto Joseph, saying, Thy father did command before he died, saying,
So shall ye say unto Joseph, Forgive, I pray thee now, the trespass of thy brethren, and their sin; for they did unto thee evil: and now, we pray thee, forgive the trespass of the servants of the God of thy father. And Joseph wept when they spake unto him.
And his brethren also went and fell down before his face; and they said, Behold, we be thy servants.
And Joseph said unto them, Fear not: for am I in the place of God?
But as for you, ye thought evil against me; but God meant it unto good, to bring to pass, as it is this day, to save much people alive." Gen 50:15-20

Here is David's reaction when he heard of the rape of his daughter by his son.

"But when king David heard of all these things, he was very wroth." II Sam 13:21

No further words or actions from David with regard to his daughter's rape. Another son, Absalom, avenged the rape by killing Amnon, but David seemingly was more concerned with the death of Absalom than he had been by the rape of his daughter.

Several similarities, but some definite differences as well. Thoughts? Understanding? Helps?

What came to mind with what you shared in these contexts is a colorful garment being symbolic of a colorful personality or just the plain personality of who an individual is. The color represented by the garment and the destruction of the garment kinda plays into the idea of the destruction or attempted destruction of a personality by wrong action or hurt of others. You could say something that destroyed who you were at that point of time in your life or what you thought you would be in the future has been stripped from you or torn apart, but God can heal that!

And if you rise up and slay the lion of bitterness and the bear of resentment that makes it feel like you are getting back what's due you, which can be an ongoing destructive force to one's personality forward. And you put off the pleasures of that sin for a season and take on the armor of God. And say, "God if this is the only hurt I ever have if this is the only job I have to do I am going to sing to you". And you will be amazed how God can heal you. And what was meant for your destruction, the broken places the dry places can again become moist places flowering places. And what happen to you that was meant to leave you in a state of a dry broken desert can be change into a moist place a flowering place. God can take you from the dry and broken deserts and lead you to green pasture and the place of the One.

Our personality is precious gift from God that makes up who we are and is the colorful traits of our being that makes us as unique as our fingerprints, if our enemy and sin poisonous it then He can keep the light of Christ and the manifold wisdom of God from shining through you. Let go and choose Jesus.
This life is temporal our Lord is eternal with pleasures for evermore.

 

[Mayflower]

What came to mind with what you shared in these contexts is a colorful garment being symbolic of a colorful personality or just the plain personality of who an individual is. The color represented by the garment and the destruction of the garment kinda plays into the idea of the destruction or attempted destruction of a personality by wrong action or hurt of others. Who you were at the point life life as you know it or thought it would be is stripped from you or torn apart. But God can heal that!

And if you rise up and slay the lion of bitterness and the bear of resentment that makes it feel like you are getting back what's do you, which can be an ongoing destructive force to one's personality forward. And you put off the pleasures of that sin for a season and take on the armor of God. And say, "God if this is the only hurt I ever have if this is the only job I have to do I am going sing to you". And you will be amazed how God can heal you. And what was meant for your destruction, the broken places the dry places can again become moist places flower places. And what happen to you that was meant to leave you in a state of a dry broken desert can be change into a moist place a flowering place. God can take you from the dry and broken deserts and lead you to green pasture and the place of the one.

Our personality is precious gift from God that makes up who we are and is the colorful traits of our being that makes us as unique as our fingerprints, if our enemy and sin poisonous it then He can keep the light of Christ and the manifold wisdom of God from shining through you. Let go and choose Jesus.
This life is temporal our Lord is eternal with pleasures for evermore.

Wow. What a word. Thanks Mark. That is good.

 

[Mark Balicki]

Wow. What a word. Thanks Mark. That is good.

Thanks, because I knew someone read it I went back and corrected the grammar. I would comment more on here, but I can't see my grammar mistakes, but glad you could see through them.

 

[Mayflower]

Thanks, because I knew someone read it I went back and corrected the grammar. I would comment more on here, but I can't see my grammar mistakes, but glad you could see through them.

I didn't see any. Wasn't looking though. Lol. (Mine is smart type on my phone. I usually have to edit typoes).

 

[amadeus]

What came to mind with what you shared in these contexts is a colorful garment being symbolic of a colorful personality or just the plain personality of who an individual is. The color represented by the garment and the destruction of the garment kinda plays into the idea of the destruction or attempted destruction of a personality by wrong action or hurt of others. You could say something that destroyed who you were at that point of time in your life or what you thought you would be in the future has been stripped from you or torn apart, but God can heal that!

And if you rise up and slay the lion of bitterness and the bear of resentment that makes it feel like you are getting back what's due you, which can be an ongoing destructive force to one's personality forward. And you put off the pleasures of that sin for a season and take on the armor of God. And say, "God if this is the only hurt I ever have if this is the only job I have to do I am going sing to you". And you will be amazed how God can heal you. And what was meant for your destruction, the broken places the dry places can again become moist places flowering places. And what happen to you that was meant to leave you in a state of a dry broken desert can be change into a moist place a flowering place. God can take you from the dry and broken deserts and lead you to green pasture and the place of the one.

Our personality is precious gift from God that makes up who we are and is the colorful traits of our being that makes us as unique as our fingerprints, if our enemy and sin poisonous it then He can keep the light of Christ and the manifold wisdom of God from shining through you. Let go and choose Jesus.
This life is temporal our Lord is eternal with pleasures for evermore.

Amen! Both personalities, Joseph's and Tamar's, were changed by their experiences and their futures would affect others as well. Each one already without a doubt as you indicated had an expectation or even a plan in mind for their own futures, but all of it was changed for them. We may only speculate regarding Tamar's but we should consider carefully what Joseph was saying here to his guilty brothers after the death of Jacob:

"And Joseph said unto them, Fear not: for am I in the place of God?
But as for you, ye thought evil against me; but God meant it unto good, to bring to pass, as it is this day, to save much people alive." Gen 50:19-20

Joseph was there in Egypt for all of his family, including his brothers in spite of their guilt. Who among us would plan to be sold into slavery to effect the changes for all of Israel including those brothers? Without what Joseph went through would there have 400 years in Egypt and 40 years in the wilderness behind them when they took possession of the Promised Land? God did more than heal the damage done to colorful garments for certain...

Was not Joseph in Egypt under Pharaoh a type or shadow of Jesus in the places of men under God?

"Thou shalt be over my house, and according unto thy word shall all my people be ruled: only in the throne will I be greater than thou." Gen 41:40

 

[Mark Balicki]

Amen! Both personalities, Joseph's and Tamar's, were changed by their experiences and their futures would affect others as well. Each one already without a doubt as you indicated had an expectation or even a plan in mind for their own futures, but all of it was changed for them. We may only speculate regarding Tamar's but we should consider carefully what Joseph was saying here to his guilty brothers after the death of Jacob:

"And Joseph said unto them, Fear not: for am I in the place of God?
But as for you, ye thought evil against me; but God meant it unto good, to bring to pass, as it is this day, to save much people alive." Gen 50:19-20

Joseph was there in Egypt for all of his family, including his brothers in spite of their guilt. Who among us would plan to be sold into slavery to effect the changes for all of Israel including those brothers? Without what Joseph went through would there have 400 years in Egypt and 40 years in the wilderness behind them when they took possession of the Promised Land? God did more than heal the damage done to colorful garments for certain...

Was not Joseph in Egypt under Pharaoh a type or shadow of Jesus in the places of men under God?

"Thou shalt be over my house, and according unto thy word shall all my people be ruled: only in the throne will I be greater than thou." Gen 41:40

I had seen your post midweek this last week and wanted to read it. And it was saved for today which was meant to be. My neighbor is growing in the basement and the awful smell that comes when those plants budding is strong and nauseous and I was outside in my patio area doing a few things. It was the only smell permeating the air. I spoke to him that something has to change. So, if it was the nauseousness or the high blood pressure from being upset I do not know! My small town is full of this stuff since Michigan made it legal.
All to say your obscure thread brought my mind back on God. I am guessing it was high blood pressure lol because the yucky feeling went away after thinking about your post topic and reflecting on it. Thank you.

 

[JohnDB]

Coat of many colors Gen 37:3 and II Sam 13:18

"Now Israel loved Joseph more than all his children, because he was the son of his old age: and he made him a coat of many colours" Gen 37:3

"And she had a garment of divers colours upon her: for with such robes were the king's daughters that were virgins apparelled..." II Sam 13:18

Coat [in Gen 37:3 & 23]
Garment [in II Sam 13:18]


tntk K@thoneth (keth-o'-neth); Noun Feminine, Strong #: 3801

1. 
   
   
   • tunic, under-garment
     1. a long shirt-like garment usually of linen

KJV Word Usage and Count
coat 23
garment 5
robe 1
*****************************************
Colours [In Gen 3:3 and 3:37 as well as in & II Sam 13:18]

op Pac (pas); Noun Masculine, Strong #: 6446

1. 
   
   
   • flat (of the hand or foot), palm, sole
     1. of the tunic reaching to palms and soles (fig.)

KJV Word Usage and Count
colours 5
***********************************************
The following is a slighted edited version it from my own forum post on 5-22-2019 [possibly not this forum?]:

I took note of the two different scriptural coats/garments of many colors a number of years ago and set it aside for a study which to date I have not done although I have asked questions of other people about it previously. Your [unidentified person on an unrecalled forum... maybe this one?] mention of it here brought it back to mind now. What do they mean to you? You say you've 'done both'.

Joseph's coat was a special gift from his father [Jacob/Israel], which stirred up, to put it mildly, the animosity of his brothers, who were also sons of the same father but not of the same mother. It is certainly an early example of sibling rivalry and/or jealousy.

Tamar, on the other hand, wore her garment apparently because she was a daughter of the King, King David of Israel.

Joseph was sold into slavery by his brothers.

Tamar was raped by her brother and avenged by another brother.

Each of the two had a special covering garment which became defiled. They both garments were of diverse colors. Is this connected in any way to the rainbow God displayed after the great flood in the time of Noah? Did not God say, "never again" would there be such a destruction by flood?

Joseph's coat was purposely dipped in the blood of a dead animal his brothers killed for that purpose.

Tamar tore her own garment purposely to make manifest to any observer her humbled state.

That's it! Hopefully someone is able to make a definitive connection or has even done a study on it previously. What message, if any, does God have for us in the two events and the two many colored garments?

Both were overpowered by one or more siblings, Joseph by his jealous brothers and Tamar by her lustful brother. In both cases the feelings of the victim were essentially or completely ignored. The one was sold into slavery and the other painfully used and disgraced before men... [and God?]

There is nothing to indicate how Joseph may have resisted or argued against his brothers action against him. They removed his coat of many colors, tore it purposely and stained it with animal blood to make their father believe some animal had killed him.

In the case of Tamar, when she realized her brother, Amon's purpose, she told him to ask King David to give her to him for surely the King would not refuse him. He ignored her words and forced himself on her. Afterward when he had her forcibly ejected from the house, she again spoke telling him that this rejection of her was worse than the rape. She tore the many colored garment herself and put ashes on her head and cried.

The response of the two fathers, Jacob and David?

"And Jacob rent his clothes, and put sackcloth upon his loins, and mourned for his son many days." Gen 37:34

What we know of Jacob's reaction to the truth is seen after his death through the words of the guilty brothers which were certainly at least in part very self-serving:

"And when Joseph's brethren saw that their father was dead, they said, Joseph will peradventure hate us, and will certainly requite us all the evil which we did unto him.
And they sent a messenger unto Joseph, saying, Thy father did command before he died, saying,
So shall ye say unto Joseph, Forgive, I pray thee now, the trespass of thy brethren, and their sin; for they did unto thee evil: and now, we pray thee, forgive the trespass of the servants of the God of thy father. And Joseph wept when they spake unto him.
And his brethren also went and fell down before his face; and they said, Behold, we be thy servants.
And Joseph said unto them, Fear not: for am I in the place of God?
But as for you, ye thought evil against me; but God meant it unto good, to bring to pass, as it is this day, to save much people alive." Gen 50:15-20

Here is David's reaction when he heard of the rape of his daughter by his son.

"But when king David heard of all these things, he was very wroth." II Sam 13:21

No further words or actions from David with regard to his daughter's rape. Another son, Absalom, avenged the rape by killing Amnon, but David seemingly was more concerned with the death of Absalom than he had been by the rape of his daughter.

Several similarities, but some definite differences as well. Thoughts? Understanding? Helps?

"Many colors" is a mistranslation into English.
Seamless Coat is actually more accurate.
And the logistics of the story line suggests that the "seamless Coat" translation is more accurate than a multi colored coat translation considering the available dyes in the time period.

A multi-colored coat would fade immediately in bright sunshine and body sweat would assist with the bleaching process.

It would be indistinguishable from any other coat after a while. But a seamless Coat is made on a single use loom that is destroyed after making a garment to free the garment from it. It is a unique coat that would be extremely expensive and a cause for jealousy.

 

[amadeus]

"Many colors" is a mistranslation into English.
Seamless Coat is actually more accurate.
And the logistics of the story line suggests that the "seamless Coat" translation is more accurate than a multi colored coat translation considering the available dyes in the time period.

A multi-colored coat would fade immediately in bright sunshine and body sweat would assist with the bleaching process.

It would be indistinguishable from any other coat after a while. But a seamless Coat is made on a single use loom that is destroyed after making a garment to free the garment from it. It is a unique coat that would be extremely expensive and a cause for jealousy.

Even if what you say were true about a mistranslation, how would your translation make a difference in the two stories and the final result for the two garments, the one of Joseph and the one of Tamar? You have made no connection that I can see.

I am afraid you will have to enlighten me on that. I am a student of Spanish and German and have read the events in those languages as well as English. Neither the Valera Revisada nor the Luther version reflect what you say. I don't know Hebrew.

Thank you for your consideration.

 

[JohnDB]

Even if what you say were true about a mistranslation, how would your translation make a difference in the two stories and the final result for the two garments, the one of Joseph and the one of Tamar? You have made no connection that I can see.

I am afraid you will have to enlighten me on that. I am a student of Spanish and German and have read the events in those languages as well as English. Neither the Valera Revisada nor the Luther version reflect what you say. I don't know Hebrew.

Thank you for your consideration.

A seamless Coat has nothing to do with Tamar.
The fact of the seamless Coat is that it has a more direct relationship to Jesus' personal garment that the soldiers cast lots for and refused to tear because it too was seamless.

It's a manner of tying attributes the Joseph had with traits Jesus had.

Both were emotional
Both were despised by those who should have loved him
Both were essentially killed by their loved ones (Judas and brothers)

Tamar was using a personally identifiable token to prove that what she got by means of deceit was rightfully hers. It was a cord/seal that everyone knew was Judah's...that he was seen missing. "She is more righteous than me" is the key phrase there. She was considered "cursed" or bad luck and rejected...that she has in common with Jesus...that she was considered guilty by everyone and yet was innocent. Even if her name meant "bad poetry".

Hebrew typology had been a study of mine for years. Just shedding some light on the situation. Trying to help glue things together in a more accurate manner.

 

[amadeus]

A seamless Coat has nothing to do with Tamar.
The fact of the seamless Coat is that it has a more direct relationship to Jesus' personal garment that the soldiers cast lots for and refused to tear because it too was seamless.

It's a manner of tying attributes the Joseph had with traits Jesus had.

Both were emotional
Both were despised by those who should have loved him
Both were essentially killed by their loved ones (Judas and brothers)

Tamar was using a personally identifiable token to prove that what she got by means of deceit was rightfully hers. It was a cord/seal that everyone knew was Judah's...that he was seen missing. "She is more righteous than me" is the key phrase there. She was considered "cursed" or bad luck and rejected...that she has in common with Jesus...that she was considered guilty by everyone and yet was innocent. Even if her name meant "bad poetry".

You have mixed up two different women, it seems to me. There was Tamar, the daughter-in-law of Judah the fourth son of Jacob/Israel who played the harlot to seduce her father-in-law and produce an heir in the Messianic line to whom you seeming are referring with the "She is more righteous than me". [Gen 38:26]

That Tamar, the daughter-in-law of Judah, lived more than 700 years before the other Tamar, daughter of King David, was born. It was David's daughter who was raped by her brother. It is was this last one I was comparing with Joseph.

Hebrew typology had been a study of mine for years. Just shedding some light on the situation. Trying to help glue things together in a more accurate manner.

Thank you for trying to help!

 

[JohnDB]

You have mixed up two different women, it seems to me. There was Tamar, the daughter-in-law of Judah the fourth son of Jacob/Israel who played the harlot to seduce her father-in-law and produce an heir in the Messianic line to whom you seeming are referring with the "She is more righteous than me". [Gen 38:26]

That Tamar, the daughter-in-law of Judah, lived more than 700 years before the other Tamar, daughter of King David, was born. It was David's daughter who was raped by her brother. It is was this last one I was comparing with Joseph.


Thank you for trying to help!

Generally speaking and not specifically most hero men are usually a prototype of some attribute of Jesus in the OT...Where Women are usually a prototype of the Bride of Christ... how her behaviors are typified is usually relevant to some issue in the future. Hebrew typology is usually highly confusing.
Dinah's (Jacob's daughter) rape was a great opportunity that ended in an even greater disappointment. Simeon and Levi leading this tragedy.

Westernized modern cultures are going to have an exceedingly difficult time parsing out how the same action in two locations is very different.

And we see some of this prophesied out in Ezekiel 23:43-45

 

[amadeus]

Generally speaking and not specifically most hero men are usually a prototype of some attribute of Jesus in the OT...Where Women are usually a prototype of the Bride of Christ... how her behaviors are typified is usually relevant to some issue in the future. Hebrew typology is usually highly confusing.
Dinah's (Jacob's daughter) rape was a great opportunity that ended in an even greater disappointment. Simeon and Levi leading this tragedy.

Westernized modern cultures are going to have an exceedingly difficult time parsing out how the same action in two locations is very different.

And we see some of this prophesied out in Ezekiel 23:43-45

I hope all of that is clear to you! You speak of the confusion in Hebrew typology, but I still miss your point in relation to the OP of this thread. The Hebrews may be, but God is not "the author of confusion".

 

[JohnDB]

I hope all of that is clear to you! You speak of the confusion in Hebrew typology, but I still miss your point in relation to the OP of this thread. The Hebrews may be, but God is not "the author of confusion".

What I am saying is that these OT books and letters were written over 4,000 years ago in a vastly different culture than we have today. The nuances are going to be very different than what modern thought and flat reading provide. The inferences you have glued together don't belong together. That is what I am saying and explaining...it might be left field for you...but take it to the bank that you are having issues with the hermeneutics of the prophesy of types for the future events.