Bible alone

[CadyandZoe]

you have no faith it seems, you don’t believe the scripture so you think you can re-write it to suit your fancy (1 Tim 4:1) matt 28:18 teach you change to pass out bibles

fundamentalists delusion: all we need is people reading the Bible for themselves and they will all be Protestants

Be careful brother. Sharpen your arguments or change your mind. But a root of bitterness this way comes.

 

[CadyandZoe]

for apologetics I stick with the Bible alone for your benefit, a doctrine does not need to in scripture to be true, it must be revealed by God and taught by His church Matt 28:19 Lk 1:4 acts 2:42 etc.

Your statement makes no sense. I assumed that all your posts and recommendations were to my benefit. You are right, though, I am obligated to obey God's revelation, which is found exclusively in the scriptures.

God tells us this explicitly. That is, he teaches Israel, and us through them, how to recognize and spot false teachers and false prophets. Essentially, we compare the presumed word from God with prior revelation. If the presumed word is contrary to what God has already revealed, we are to consider that message to be false.

I see no reason to adopt another strategy.

 

[Wrangler]

fundamentalists delusion: all we need is people reading the Bible for themselves and they will all be Protestants

Well, when people read the Bible for themselves they certainly will not be trinitarian Roman Catholics.

 

[theefaith]

You are judging me as not worshipping in Spirit and truth because I keep holy the Sabbath Day?



Saying it does not make the RCC the one true church. Your Scriptural reference, not only does not mention Peter, it does not mention one church.


There are many more sheep than you can see here, and I will bring them as well. They will hear My voice, and the flock will be united. One flock. One shepherd.
John 10:16 (VOICE)

Jesus said don’t judge, so I don’t, you did not say so I was just guessing. Lol

you don’t think one flock means the church? And peter is to feed the sheep
Jn 21:17

what is the Lord’s day? Rev 1:10

 

[theefaith]

Christ, our Example, was submissive to Scripture, living "that the Scripture might be fulfilled" and "as it is written"--just like Paul always stated "as it is written".

You shouldn't have a problem with people who say, "Listen, I KNOW God said these things--Jesus and His Apostles grew up on them, and lived their lives by them--as for these 'traditions', they're questionable, and sometimes they explicitly contradict Scripture (eg, Mary as New Eve), so I'll stick with what I KNOW God has said."

Why would you find fault with that?

im not opposed to scripture but we must believe it

Acts 2:42 did they hold fast to the “Bible alone” or the doctrine of the apostles?

is the church the pillar and ground of Truth?

1 Tim 3:15

is not even scripture part of tradition?
Not small t tradition or customs but big T Tradition that is divine revelation taught by the church of the apostles?

2 Thessalonians 2:15
Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

for example
1 cor 11:23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:

I thee apostle received!
I thee apostle delivered unto you!

that’s tradition
It’s divine revelation from Christ to his church thru the apostles

 

[theefaith]

Your statement makes no sense. I assumed that all your posts and recommendations were to my benefit. You are right, though, I am obligated to obey God's revelation, which is found exclusively in the scriptures.

God tells us this explicitly. That is, he teaches Israel, and us through them, how to recognize and spot false teachers and false prophets. Essentially, we compare the presumed word from God with prior revelation. If the presumed word is contrary to what God has already revealed, we are to consider that message to be false.

I see no reason to adopt another strategy.

lk 3:2 the word of God came to a John in the wilderness. Which book chapter and verse did he receive the word from?

 

[theefaith]

Acts 8 the eunuch had scripture and the spirit sent him an apostle!

philip preached Jesus obviously faith alone Christ alone grace alone? How does the eunuch know about baptism?

 

[Wrangler]

you don’t think one flock means the church? And peter is to feed the sheep
Jn 21:17

You are confusing the saints with the RCC denomination. Are you aware that the verses you reference do not support your position?

what is the Lord’s day? Rev 1:10

Why are you asking?

The Lord's Day is the day creation began or the day or re-creation (resurrection) began. Honoring it is not a commandment, as honoring the totality of creation, 7the Day rest.

 

[theefaith]

Well, when people read the Bible for themselves they certainly will not be trinitarian Roman Catholics.

really?

where does the Bible say you can read for yourself and make your own doctrine faith or salvation?

faith cometh by hearing the word of God
The church must teach matt 28:19

 

[Wrangler]

im not opposed to scripture but we must believe it

Acts 2:42 did they hold fast to the “Bible alone” or the doctrine of the apostles?

The Apostles are not here to speak for themselves. All we have is their written record.

 

[Wrangler]

where does the Bible say you can read for yourself and make your own doctrine faith or salvation?

Philippians 2:12

 

[theefaith]

You are confusing the saints with the RCC denomination. Are you aware that the verses you reference do not support your position?



Why are you asking?

The Lord's Day is the day creation began or the day or re-creation (resurrection) began. Honoring it is not a commandment, as honoring the totality of creation, 7the Day rest.

why do you have a bunker mentality?

so it’s the sabbath of the new creation and new covenant?

you will find reading scripture the one true church and the trinity acts 2:42
Apostles doctrine
And this catholic and divine revelation about the church and the trinity are in the apostles creed
The nicene creed
And the athanasius creed

 

[theefaith]

You are confusing the saints with the RCC denomination. Are you aware that the verses you reference do not support your position?



Why are you asking?

The Lord's Day is the day creation began or the day or re-creation (resurrection) began. Honoring it is not a commandment, as honoring the totality of creation, 7the Day rest.

the saints are always catholic never Protestant
Example saint Augustine!

 

[theefaith]

The Apostles are not here to speak for themselves. All we have is their written record.

we don’t still have Apostles?

 

[Wrangler]

why do you have a bunker mentality?

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so it’s the sabbath of the new creation and new covenant?

No. Lord's Day. Sabbath Day. Not the same day.

 

[Wrangler]

we don’t still have Apostles?

No. The proper noun Apostle, pertains with those disciples who walked with Jesus. If you want to play word games, well anything goes.

 

[theefaith]

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No. Lord's Day. Sabbath Day. Not the same day.

bunker mentality, thinking you are always being attacked

Lord’s day new creation new covenant sabbath

 

[theefaith]

No. The proper noun Apostle, pertains with those disciples who walked with Jesus. If you want to play word games, well anything goes.

ok successors of the apostles
The bishops as it says in acts 1:20

 

[GracePeace]

im not opposed to scripture but we must believe it

Acts 2:42 did they hold fast to the “Bible alone” or the doctrine of the apostles?

is the church the pillar and ground of Truth?

1 Tim 3:15

is not even scripture part of tradition?
Not small t tradition or customs but big T Tradition that is divine revelation taught by the church of the apostles?

2 Thessalonians 2:15
Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

for example
1 cor 11:23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:

I thee apostle received!
I thee apostle delivered unto you!

that’s tradition
It’s divine revelation from Christ to his church thru the apostles

I agree : “the faith which was once delivered unto the saints” means the message was complete.
All so-called "authoritative" Johnny-come-lately additions aren't part of it.
They're not "the faith".
We already know where to look to become "wise" with regard to faith : Scripture.
That's APOSTOLIC doctrine 2 Timothy 3:15.
We LOVE the Apostolic dogma, "the faith", teaching us "GO TO SCRIPTURE".

 

[CadyandZoe]

lk 3:2 the word of God came to a John in the wilderness. Which book chapter and verse did he receive the word from?

You know the answer, but when did I ever dismiss the role of prophet?
Besides, those living at the time would be both wise and obedient to check John's teaching with the scriptures.