Timtofly
Well-Known Member
There is no post rapture/second coming church. There is also not the work of the Holy Spirit via the church after the 6th Seal. The Holy Spirit has been holding back the work of Satan in every human since Seth was born. The act of being Comforter, guide, teacher, and the fruits was to strengthen the church. The removal of the Holy Spirit works in conjunction with taking the mark, and one's name being removed from the Lamb's book of life. That is it for those people. They are no longer sealed, just like in physical death, one is not sealed by the Holy Spirit in sheol. At least the teaching has been, that those in sheol do not get a second chance to repent. I think that they will get one last chance to reject God to His face at the GWT. Since they have not listened to the Holy Spirit for x number of years will they still want to choose God then?How do pre-tribbers figure that the Holy Spirit in believers is somehow restraining the Antichrist, and is removed from the earth in the rapture?
1. The Holy Spirit is God, if you’re a trinitarian - and God has this characteristic you may have heard of: HES OMNIPRESENT, meaning everywhere present at all times - how then is He ever removed from the earth?
2. John saw in heaven souls of martyrs who were killed during the tribulation. That’s because there will be a tribulation church comprised of those who get saved after the rapture - so the church never leaves the earth, and they’ll have the HS indwelling them also.
The HE who restrains the A/C is never identified in scripture - but since an angel has power to grab Satan and restrain Satan in the bottomless pit for a thousand years, there’s no reason to assume an angel can’t be the restrainer of the A/C now.
Pre-tribbers should drop that simplistic and obviously wrong proof text for a pretrib rapture.
Shalom.
The Second Coming happens before Satan can reveal himself. Although I am sure Satan wants to jump the gun, if he could figure it out. The point is not even the church seems to want Satan revealed. They want the FP and AC first. John has been very much misinterpreted, and nobody is even getting the reveal in the proper order. They are trying to match up Paul in 2 Thessalonians 2 with Revelation. Yet they have 2 Thessalonians 2 wrong as well. It talks about both Satan and the FP. It does not even mention an AC. Satan is the man of sin. The FP is the lawless one. No one seems to be interested in the point Paul is making.
Some claim the Jesuits came up with pre-millinialism, pre-rapture thought. Does not an Antichrist tie into all that as well? Have we left out the part they wanted to deflect the popes from being accused of being the AC so they allegedly came up with a future AC involved in a rapture and pre-mill thought process to create an alledged futurism eschatology? Remember this deflection from the truth of what John wrote. There is a pre-trib Second Coming, because the Lamb and God on the throne bring the GT with them. They come in the 6th Seal and are here for the Trumpets and Thunders. That is the GT, and is less than 2 years long and getting shorter by the day. Satan's 42 months is not the GT, nor the Trumpets and Thunders. It comes after the GT. The tribulation of those days is not the GT. That would be the great great great generational tribulation of the last 1991 years starting with Stephen as the first martyr. The church was expecting to be all martyred. Obviously many lived long lives and died peacefully. The 5th Seal is the martyred church as well as the non-martyred church. Paul claims the whole church gets a robe of white, glorified. I mean many posters here still plan on being glorified without being martyred, well at least until 2020, the first year of the Seals being opened. Now the conversation on many minds is martyrdom or the mark.
The Revelation of Satan is not the actual reveal of him parading around the earth. It would have to be that Satan is understood as the man of sin and not some future (Jesuit inspired) AC. Now if the church repented and ousted Satan instead of whoring around with the guy.... Many have already met him and embrace him today. He does not need to make the news headlines, which (the news) is only for deflection any ways.