new version of OSAS?

[kcnalp]

If you mean it's an eternal place, NO! Hell is a condition meaning all the unsaved will be destroyed someday by death as God commanded in the Garden of Eden: "The wages of sin is death."

You're calling Jesus a liar!

Matthew 25:41 (NKJV)
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:

Even in the death of the unsaved, God shows His love and His mercy by NOT punishing them with "eternal punishment of fire" as many teach but rather "complete annihilation."

Jesus is a liar? Pity you!

Do I sound like a JW? You are the first to say so. No I am not.

To God Be The Glory

Yes, you sound like a JW, heading for Hell fire.

Revelation 20:10 (NKJV)
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

 

[Corlove13]

Because it's a conditional statement contrasting living according to the flesh to living according to the Spirit. If you want to hold lovingly to error that isn't condemning, it just prevents you from receiving more truth. The fear or God is the beginning of wisdom, not the end of it. Love is wisdom's conclusion.
7 For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind. 2 Timothy 1:7
The doctrine of election is commonly dismissed in our time, but is entirely biblical and makes no sense at all if we contribute to our salvation. However, the nature of the flesh is to resist the Spirit as is evident in this very carnal thread.

Eternal life is about relationship

 

[JunChosen]

You're calling Jesus a liar!

Matthew 25:41 (NKJV)
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels

Revelation 20:10 (NKJV)
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Matthew 25:41 and Revelation 20:10 must be qualified and Jude gives us the answer in Jude 1:7:

"Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire."

I would like to remind you that Jude 1:7 was written for our example regarding suffering the vengeance of "eternal fire."

If the term "eternal fire" means "forever and ever" in Revelation 20:10, my question: "Today, can you "SEE" some place in the world that Sodom and Gomorrha still burning?"

Obviously NOT! Likewise with the unsaved they will be destroyed completely annihilated!!! And this condition will remain forever and ever.

To God Be The Glory

 

[kcnalp]

Matthew 25:41 and Revelation 20:10 must be qualified and Jude gives us the answer in Jude 1:7:

"Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire."

I would like to remind you that Jude 1:7 was written for our example regarding suffering the vengeance of "eternal fire."

If the term "eternal fire" means "forever and ever" in Revelation 20:10, my question: "Today, can you "SEE" some place in the world that Sodom and Gomorrha still burning?"

Obviously NOT! Likewise with the unsaved they will be destroyed completely annihilated!!! And this condition will remain forever and ever.

To God Be The Glory

Honestly you sound like a JW.

Revelation 20:10 (NKJV)
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

 

[Tong2020]

Eternal life is about relationship

Yes, eternal life is about a life with God and Jesus Christ, and is one that is everlasting.

Tong
R3404

 

[Corlove13]

Do you know what the biblical definition of a fool is?

Do I need to Know? When I am trying to point out.....He still has to walk?

Whoever walks the road, although a fool,
Shall not go astray. Isaiah 35:8

 

[Corlove13]

It can be in the sense that God is our great reward (entirely scriptural) but not our only inheritance.

Because it's a conditional statement contrasting living according to the flesh to living according to the Spirit. If you want to hold lovingly to error that isn't condemning, it just prevents you from receiving more truth. The fear or God is the beginning of wisdom, not the end of it. Love is wisdom's conclusion.
7 For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind. 2 Timothy 1:7
The doctrine of election is commonly dismissed in our time, but is entirely biblical and makes no sense at all if we contribute to our salvation. However, the nature of the flesh is to resist the Spirit as is evident in this very carnal thread.

My point is, there is something we do by the Spirit.........

 

[Tong2020]

To all Christians, children of promise that is, who are saved by grace through faith, read this carefully and realize who you are.


Ephesians 2
10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.

Tong
R3405

 

[mailmandan]

Eternal life is about relationship

John 17:3 - And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent (which is an intimate, experiential knowledge, found only in a relationship). The term "know" implies intimate, experiential knowledge, through a relationship with Him and not merely theoretical knowledge.

 

[BarneyFife]

LOL Some of this choir is singing a little off key.

lol

 

[Daniel Veler]

A person who believed, but now has let doubt creep into his "thinking" is a backslider that is being played and used as a tool of satan.
.

Oh saved today lost tomorrow? Read psalms 89. Those who teach this is designed to destroy the faithful.

 

[amigo de christo]

Truly all things that both Christ and the apostels did teach will work good unto the soul of the one
who hears and does those things .
Men have complicated things far too much .
If we simply would learn what they taught for ourselves . Being hearers and doers of such things , then
we have as we need . Its real simple . We are saved by grace , kept by the faith in Christ .
The grace of God led us to saving faith in Jesus Christ . Let us learn Him well .
Everything He taught , they taught , truly works good for the soul of the one who both hears and does them .
There were reasons why they were taught such things by Christ . Later teaching and writing them to the churches .
And the reason is , that pattern , those sayings are God inspired and work good unto the soul of those who do these things .
Be doers of all things JESUS first taught and later the apostels would .
The pattern is for our good , that we take heed and also stir one another up with those things.
Let us follow HE who is our savoir and is able to keep us from falling . His word is truth and works good
unto those who hear and do . The Spirit is our guide . And as we see , the Spirit was in the apostles .
They too would remind by that same Spirit the very reminders that JESUS himself gave while on earth .
WE need those reminders , and should stir one another up with them daily . It truly could be so simple
a walk if we would just return to learning the bible for ourselves .
Remember all things He taught is for our good and works
for the good of those who both hear and do them .
Even all the warnings are for our good as are all reminders of the great
hope and promise we have in Christ . let us hold firm our Faith
in Him to the end . Those who are HIS , have the Spirit
and the Spirit would bring to our minds all things He did teach .
So let us simply be refreshed in those scriptures and always
stir one another up with all reminders .

 

[amigo de christo]

Eternal life is about relationship

Eternal life is about knowing Christ . All else comes forth from that .
Speaking of relationships , if we have the one true relationship which puts Christ first above all ,
then we can see clearly on how to love others . For our love would never once pander to men , nor seek
unity for the sake of unity , instead it would focus on the safety of men . It would always point to the truth
always remind any in error of the need to repent . Always love and embrace the biblical truth inspired by God .
If our relationships are centered on the worlds version of love , or unity , or anything
then we are gonna sink . But if we learn What Christ taught well and later what the apostels taught .
If we learn that pattern , those examples well . Then we will be built up and apt to teach and help others
as we ought too . Too many are learning a wordly version of relationships
which while it speaks of doing good to others , while it speaks of love , it truly knows neither one .
Because any unity , any love , any relationship which does not line up with Christ or the doctrine of the apostles ,
its all bad news . SO let us always be refreshed in the scriptures , learning them well .
I worry for so many within even the churches . I see a love , a unity , a freedom , a liberty
and etc , being taught and yet it contradicts Christ , His pattern , the pattern of the apostles . Let us learn well our bibles .
Be encouraged in the Lord , let us learn HIM well .

 

[BarneyFife]

To all Christians, children of promise that is, who are saved by grace through faith, read this carefully and realize who you are.


Ephesians 2
10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.

Tong
R3405

I need to read more than one verse to know who (or whose) I am.

 

[Tong2020]

Tong2020 said: ↑
To all Christians, children of promise that is, who are saved by grace through faith, read this carefully and realize who you are.


Ephesians 2
10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.

I need to read more than one verse to know who (or whose) I am.

I presumed you had read them all. Just zeroing in on Eph. 2:10, which speaks about the Christian being God’s workmanship.

Tong
R3406

 

[michaelvpardo]

Do I need to Know? When I am trying to point out.....He still has to walk?

Whoever walks the road, although a fool,
Shall not go astray. Isaiah 35:8

Everyone walks, most are just going in the wrong direction. Read the scriptures and pray for God's wisdom. He is able to show you your error, but do not close your ears to the Holy Spirit or attribute His teaching to idle thoughts (or air).

 

[michaelvpardo]

My point is, there is something we do by the Spirit.........

I've said that repeatedly but you're answering something in your own mind, not my statements. Obviously the topic troubles you as it does all holders to works oriented notions of salvation.
How much is enough?

 

[michaelvpardo]

You're calling Jesus a liar!

Matthew 25:41 (NKJV)
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:


Jesus is a liar? Pity you!

Yes, you sound like a JW, heading for Hell fire.

Revelation 20:10 (NKJV)
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Soul annihilation,
A common heresy in our time only arrived at by denying the plain meaning of the biblical text. This is how cults are formed.
47 And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire— 48 where

‘Their worm does not die
And the fire is not quenched.’
Mark 9:47-48

 

[Ferris Bueller]

I've said that repeatedly but you're answering something in your own mind, not my statements. Obviously the topic troubles you as it does all holders to works oriented notions of salvation.
How much is enough?

Why does anti-osas HAVE to mean salvation is earned by works?

Justification is secured by believing and trusting in Christ's completed but ongoing ministry in heaven. If you stop believing, his ministry is no longer interceding for you before the Father. You are lost. And if you resist God's efforts to get you to reconsider you will be turned over to that unbelief and God will never allow you to come back. So it has nothing to do with you not doing works to earn salvation. It has everything to do with whether or not you're going to keep believing. Thus the repeated exhortations in scripture to keep believing.

 

[marks]

Why does anti-osas HAVE to mean salvation is earned by works?

Because you put your eternal security in your own hands, making you responsible, giving you the glory for a "job well done", "keeping your self saved!"

Hooray for you!!

Rather, God saves by grace - gift given because of His kindness towards you - giving glory to God.

And you are very wrong in saying His intercession would end. His intercession is ongoing, but His death is once and for all.

Much love!