Biggest mistake of the church and we need to go back

[Marc RL Ministry]

Hebrews 6:1 NKJV
Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God

John 8:31 NKJV
Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him, “If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed.

 

[DPMartin]

Hebrews 6:1 NKJV
Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God

John 8:31 NKJV
Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him, “If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed.

in error yes, but its more deliberate then anything. many just want to keep their toe in the water just in case the bible is true. hence that analogy used of wading pool and deep end. most stay in the wading pool, its human nature, hence not God's nature.


a mistake is I meant to build this and it turned out that, whereas what you mention is more intentional than anything, churches love to treat there's as mushrooms also, for their own benefit.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Hebrews 6:1 NKJV
Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God

John 8:31 NKJV
Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him, “If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed.

I think the biggest mistake was to leave it Marc Acts 20:29,30. Since that was penned, look at how many faiths there are that claim to be Christian. I remember about 30 yrs ago the claim was about 10,000 now I am hearing that at least tripled. Yet there is still only one scripturally identified faith that belongs to God.

 

[atpollard]

I think the biggest mistake was to leave it Marc Acts 20:29,30. Since that was penned, look at how many faiths there are that claim to be Christian. I remember about 30 yrs ago the claim was about 10,000 now I am hearing that at least tripled. Yet there is still only one scripturally identified faith that belongs to God.

The figure is misleading.
Every Baptist Congregation is independent because the Baptist “denomination” believes that every local body answers directly to Christ as the head of the Church … so each is counted as a “Christian Denomination” of 1 church in those sort of censuses. Other denominations, like Lutherans, are “incorporated” by country but United in beliefs. So the 10,000 Christian Faiths figure is a technical truth and a spiritual lie.

There is ONE BODY with Christ as it’s HEAD. Beyond that, the motto of the Moravian Church seems to apply … “In essentials unity, in non-essentials liberty, in all things charity.”

Or as Paul put it … Romans 14:1-23

 

[atpollard]

Hebrews 6:1 NKJV
Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God

John 8:31 NKJV
Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him, “If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed.

You omitted the exegesis that makes YOUR point.
Few disagree with Scripture, but many disagree over its meaning and application:

Matthew 18:9 [NASB] "And if your eye is causing you to sin, tear it out and throw it away from you. It is better for you to enter life with one eye, than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fiery hell.”​

 

[Robert Gwin]

The figure is misleading.
Every Baptist Congregation is independent because the Baptist “denomination” believes that every local body answers directly to Christ as the head of the Church … so each is counted as a “Christian Denomination” of 1 church in those sort of censuses. Other denominations, like Lutherans, are “incorporated” by country but United in beliefs. So the 10,000 Christian Faiths figure is a technical truth and a spiritual lie.

There is ONE BODY with Christ as it’s HEAD. Beyond that, the motto of the Moravian Church seems to apply … “In essentials unity, in non-essentials liberty, in all things charity.”

Or as Paul put it … Romans 14:1-23

I was raised a Baptist sir, and you are quite correct about the justification of them, however I did leave the faith. Division is division, and their teachings vary as well, the true faith has to be united, teaching the same truths in all their congregations Jn 4:24.

I fully believe that no faith has absolute truth, but when your faith has different truths than you, then the two are no longer the same faith. Just like the account in Acts stated, one of them was drawn away through the other Acts 20:29,30

 

[atpollard]

I was raised a Baptist sir, and you are quite correct about the justification of them, however I did leave the faith. Division is division, and their teachings vary as well, the true faith has to be united, teaching the same truths in all their congregations Jn 4:24.

I fully believe that no faith has absolute truth, but when your faith has different truths than you, then the two are no longer the same faith. Just like the account in Acts stated, one of them was drawn away through the other Acts 20:29,30

So Romans 14 is wrong?

 

[Robert Gwin]

So Romans 14 is wrong?

We Christians take all of the Bible as fact AT

 

[atpollard]

We Christians take all of the Bible as fact AT

All 169,000 Baptist churches would agree with you and they have always been divided on Particular Baptists (monergist) and General Baptist (synergistic) interpretation of those scriptures (often within the same local body of believers) without viewing those with whom we disagree as apostate or heretical. The premise that Christian differences of opinion are wrong is flawed. All of scripture, including Romans 14, speaks of FREEDOM in Christ not Pharisaical adherence to one truth given by one supreme human authority. Christ is better served by diversity of worship within the bounds of scripture than the burning of heretics by a State Church imposing unity of doctrine.

The “biggest mistake of the Church” is not embracing who and what the Church is and doing what we have been created to do. There is no “going back”, there is only “going forward” towards Christ and calling others to follow.

 

[soul man]

I was raised a Baptist sir, and you are quite correct about the justification of them, however I did leave the faith. Division is division, and their teachings vary as well, the true faith has to be united, teaching the same truths in all their congregations Jn 4:24.

I fully believe that no faith has absolute truth, but when your faith has different truths than you, then the two are no longer the same faith. Just like the account in Acts stated, one of them was drawn away through the other Acts 20:29,30

The thing with hypocrisy and heresy, they both keep the truth in the forefront and though there are those that follow - multitudes will not because of the plain hypocrisy or heresy.

 

[Robert Gwin]

All 169,000 Baptist churches would agree with you and they have always been divided on Particular Baptists (monergist) and General Baptist (synergistic) interpretation of those scriptures (often within the same local body of believers) without viewing those with whom we disagree as apostate or heretical. The premise that Christian differences of opinion are wrong is flawed. All of scripture, including Romans 14, speaks of FREEDOM in Christ not Pharisaical adherence to one truth given by one supreme human authority. Christ is better served by diversity of worship within the bounds of scripture than the burning of heretics by a State Church imposing unity of doctrine.

The “biggest mistake of the Church” is not embracing who and what the Church is and doing what we have been created to do. There is no “going back”, there is only “going forward” towards Christ and calling others to follow.

When the disciples left the faith and started their own, do you think God accepted them AT?

 

[Robert Gwin]

The thing with hypocrisy and heresy, they both keep the truth in the forefront and though there are those that follow - multitudes will not because of the plain hypocrisy or heresy.

Yes sir, but we have always had them among us. The thing is we answer for ourselves, Jehovah is always going to have people sir, that is a given. There is no doubt that when we see hypocrities among us that it can be a stumbling block, but if we personally let it stumble us to stop serving God, then where does the blame lie, with them, or us? You know the answer Mike. Each of us are responsible for our own actions, we have to do our best to live the faith without hypocrisy, to be an example to others. It can be done as I know you will agree.

 

[atpollard]

When the disciples left the faith and started their own, do you think God accepted them AT?

Who has "left the faith"?

Romans 10:8-10 [NASB]

But what does it say? "THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART"--that is, the word of faith which we are preaching, that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.
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I believe Romans 10 is true irrespective of denomination.

 

[Wrangler]

Since that was penned, look at how many faiths there are that claim to be Christian. I remember about 30 yrs ago the claim was about 10,000 now I am hearing that at least tripled. Yet there is still only one scripturally identified faith that belongs to God.

IMO, you've got it all wrong. They are all Christian but focus on different things. Would you rather the people of 30,000 Christian denominations turn their back on Christ if the only other alternative is to be part of 'the one true faith' that they believe has been corrupted?

 

[soul man]

Yes sir, but we have always had them among us. The thing is we answer for ourselves, Jehovah is always going to have people sir, that is a given. There is no doubt that when we see hypocrities among us that it can be a stumbling block, but if we personally let it stumble us to stop serving God, then where does the blame lie, with them, or us? You know the answer Mike. Each of us are responsible for our own actions, we have to do our best to live the faith without hypocrisy, to be an example to others. It can be done as I know you will agree.

Yes I have to agree, the good bad and ugly but it ultimately is on us. We have what is written and my personal opinion when the child of God stands in front of Him, 'whatever happened or whatever is said' it will not matter it is on us. Paul said we would be judged by his gospel. My opinion again (don't you just love opinion) our father will say 'what did you do with my Son that is in you.' Jsing.

 

[tsr]

The rise of denominations within the Christian faith can be traced back to the Protestant Reformation, the movement to “reform” the Roman Catholic Church during the 16th century, out of which four major divisions or traditions of Protestantism would emerge: Lutheran, Reformed, Anabaptist, and Anglican. From these four, other denominations grew over the centuries.

Denominations today are many and varied. The original “mainline” denominations mentioned above have spawned numerous offshoots such as Assemblies of God, Christian and Missionary Alliance, Nazarenes, Evangelical Free, independent Bible churches, and others. Some denominations emphasize slight doctrinal differences, but more often they simply offer different styles of worship to fit the differing tastes and preferences of Christians. But make no mistake: as believers, we must be of one mind on the essentials of the faith, but beyond that there is great deal of latitude in how Christians should worship in a corporate setting.

 

[soul man]

The rise of denominations within the Christian faith can be traced back to the Protestant Reformation, the movement to “reform” the Roman Catholic Church during the 16th century, out of which four major divisions or traditions of Protestantism would emerge: Lutheran, Reformed, Anabaptist, and Anglican. From these four, other denominations grew over the centuries.

Denominations today are many and varied. The original “mainline” denominations mentioned above have spawned numerous offshoots such as Assemblies of God, Christian and Missionary Alliance, Nazarenes, Evangelical Free, independent Bible churches, and others. Some denominations emphasize slight doctrinal differences, but more often they simply offer different styles of worship to fit the differing tastes and preferences of Christians. But make no mistake: as believers, we must be of one mind on the essentials of the faith, but beyond that there is great deal of latitude in how Christians should worship in a corporate setting.

Well put!

 

[Robert Gwin]

Who has "left the faith"?

Romans 10:8-10 [NASB]

But what does it say? "THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART"--that is, the word of faith which we are preaching, that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.
​

I believe Romans 10 is true irrespective of denomination.

Likely you believe the Christian faith is the people of God as I do sir, but there currently are over 37,000 sects that claim to be the faith. Acts 20:29,30 fulfilled. At some point in time, they disagreed with the congregation, and formed their own evolving to the divisions we see today nearly 2000 yrs later. It is even escalating At, 30 yrs ago there was only around 10,000 different sects.

We have a small town near me that had a church who divided and those who left formed a congregation right across the street, and both were called Church of the Brethren, kinda comical in a way.

 

[Robert Gwin]

IMO, you've got it all wrong. They are all Christian but focus on different things. Would you rather the people of 30,000 Christian denominations turn their back on Christ if the only other alternative is to be part of 'the one true faith' that they believe has been corrupted?

May I ask you Wrangler for your scriptural evidence that God approved of that and that He accepts them? I will say I hope you are correct, but my understanding is that those who left the faith are apostates, and would certainly not be approved by God. All Biblical references to that are negative sir as far as I can see.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Yes I have to agree, the good bad and ugly but it ultimately is on us. We have what is written and my personal opinion when the child of God stands in front of Him, 'whatever happened or whatever is said' it will not matter it is on us. Paul said we would be judged by his gospel. My opinion again (don't you just love opinion) our father will say 'what did you do with my Son that is in you.' Jsing.

Yes sir, and Jesus further clarified that as what we do for his brothers, we do for him. Great speaking to you today Michael.