new version of OSAS?

[JRM]

The willful sins committed after being saved (Hebrews 10:26)

Lol! All sins ultimately are willful sins!!!

The Gospel is not a TV show like "The devil made me do it!"

To God Be The Glory

 

[Corlove13]

The "gospel" is an interesting topic. :) Jesus preached the "gospel of the Kingdom". We tend to preach a "gospel of salvation " in the modern version of the church. I wonder what the difference is? :)

Jesus also stated that He will not return until the gospel of the KINGDOM is preached to every nation....I wonder if our "gospel" is incomplete? LACKING something?

Exactly!

Willard

In an interview explains:

Dallas Willard ARTICLES.

This is part of How I was born from above.
I was reading the Bible and read Jesus preached the Gosple of the kingdom...

I didn't understand and started my search and Finally I did after years of correction...for I looked at preterism...that was wrong...and another theory that paul and Peter preached 2 diff Gospels and that was wrong... and finally found the truth....

I started living the life by doing what ever I did for God, and trying to do more than my initial Job....I confessed all my sins...and out of the blue God showed up....I had peace and Joy....and you couldn't keep me quiet..and I knew my sins were forgiven.

 

[Corlove13]

Lol! All sins ultimately are willful sins!!!

The Gospel is not a TV show like "The devil made me do it!"

To God Be The Glory

What I believe Hebrews is speaking of is Rejecting Christ. You know of Him but refuse to accept Him.
That is the only way..in that context...one can go on sinning. For Christ is the end of the law for those who believe. To go on sinning..is to remain under the law.. For anything that is not of faith Is sin, and the law is not of faith.

 

[Corlove13]

Of course OSAS isn't the gospel, it's the result of the gospel, salvation.
But tell me, what do you think is the gospel?

Read post #1123

 

[Corlove13]

Its illogical to anyone by definition.

Sorry but I am not getting into unfruitful arguments....anymore...I decided to discuss scriptures only.....

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Lol! All sins ultimately are willful sins!!!

The scriptures make a distinction:

"And if any soul sin through ignorance, then he shall bring a she goat of the first year for a sin offering." (Numbers 15:27)

"But the soul that doeth ought presumptuously, whether he be born in the land, or a stranger, the same reproacheth the LORD; and that soul shall be cut off from among his people." (Numbers 15:30)

All sins are not willful. The scriptures are clear in this matter.

 

[Corlove13]

The new Osaser's look at this and say to themselves, "that doesn't apply to me. Grace is my license to fall away in unbelief and not have a real faith that serves God and not be damned for that unbelief."

Which old Osasers should immediately see is completely and utterly contrary to the old Osas. But few of them seem to see that. That's what I don't understand about the old style Osasers. They should be resisting the new Osas, but they aren't.

This is really funny lol

 

[Corlove13]

NOT SO! You bear false witness.

Mark 3:28-31
28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:
29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:
30 Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.

And, Matthew 12:31-32
31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy [against] the [Holy] Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the [world] to come.

Today I don't believe anyone will commit the blaspheme against the Holy Ghost!

To God Be The Glory

I once came to the conclusion
That it was crediting the work of God to someone else (satan)....but haven't look into lately it.....what does blaspheme mean to you?

 

[Tong2020]

Hebrews 6:4-6 (NKJV)
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, (Christians) ! 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame. 7 For the earth which drinks in the rain that often comes upon it, and bears herbs useful for those by whom it is cultivated, receives blessing from God; 8 but if it bears thorns and briars, it is rejected and near to being cursed, whose end is to be burned.

Read that passage again, giving attention to verse 6.

Now ask yourself, what the passage is telling the reader what is impossible for those described in verses 4-5.

Some, if not many, misuse that passage to mean as teaching that those born from above, the legitimate children of God, could be unsaved or cease to be children of God.

While to some, of not to many, believe that they and every child of God for that matter, can at will reject Jesus Christ, they do not believe the truth of verse 6 of that passage. Their thinking is that the child of God can act at will to fall away, even reject Jesus Christ, but he can also act at will after, receive and believe Him again, andnonce again be a child of God. It seems to be that he can at will, become a child of the devil, then become a child of God, then become a child of the devil, then become a child of God, as the case would be with him. That in the ultimate, he is the one in control or is the master of himself.

Scriptures says concerning the true children of God, that they are under grace. What does it mean to you to be under grace?

Tong
R3447

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Sorry but I am not getting into unfruitful arguments....anymore...I decided to discuss scriptures only.....

Interpretation

I will only discuss with those who agree with me

 

[BloodBought 1953]

The willful sins committed after being saved (Hebrews 10:26)

Another confused, poorly taught man is here on display......This is a scary verse when taken out of context—- something that multitudes of people do.....

There are Nine chapters before chapter 10 .....read them sometime and it will become obvious that the “ Sin” being discussed is Unbelief in the Gospel......The Jews had heard the Truth Of The “ ONE TIME Sacrifice” for sins and they rejected it.....they made their choice to reject Jesus and His Blood and went back to Temple Worship where they would continue to put their “ faith” on the Blood Of animals....
After the Cross “ there was no More “ Sacrifice for sin” other than the Shed Blood Of The Lamb Of God....it was Jesus or Nothing....same thing as today .....reject the Gospel 2000 years ago - you are damned.Reject it today or tomorrow ? You are damned...

People need to stop taking one misunderstood verse and trying to fit the rest of the Bible to accommodate it, neglecting how it destroys hundreds of clear verses in the process...

 

[Ferris Bueller]

You seem to understand most of the passage from 1 Corinthians 13, but it isn't the gospel, nor is it referring to the great white throne judgment, but the bema seat judgement of believers. The judgement of the work of Christians will be by fire and the passage clearly says that if your works are burned up that you will still be saved but loose rewards. In other words, it has nothing to do with eternal salvation. Furthermore works performed for righteousness are called debt, (usually understood as sin.)
3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” 4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt. Roman's 4:3-4
Good works are the work of God in us, we call them ours because our hands perform them but:13 for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure. Phillipians 2:13

If what he has built... 1 Corinthians 3:14​

What is it that the servant of God builds?

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Does not Scripture stipulate ALL SINS are forgivable except one?

Yes.

 

[kcnalp]

Hey you! You’d better be nice to me! I’ll report you to the Mods !!! Waaaaaahhhh!!! Lol....

I’ve had enough for now....I’m so upset I’m going out to get a pizza .....might get a beer too! Just to show that I harbor no hard feelings....I’ll drink one for you too! Cheers !

Your friendly name caller called me a liar at least 3 times. I don't think the mods care about my little comment.

 

[kcnalp]

I have not seen that post so I will wait for him to respond to my post about this or wait until I see it in context I try not to judge what anyone says until I see it in context

It's been posted several times. You mean you didn't want to see it?

 

[Ferris Bueller]

reject the Gospel 2000 years ago - you are damned.Reject it today or tomorrow ? You are damned.

Except if you have believed some where in the past. Then grace is your license—your freedom—to reject the gospel and get a pass on that damnation. Right?

 

[kcnalp]

I think hearing false witness should be against forum rules also. Yet you continually do it.

Then why don't you prove it? Oh that's right, OSASers can tell lie after lie and NEVER lose their salvation!

 

[kcnalp]

Actually I have called you a liar more than that

and you keep on lying after you have been called out on it, you have failed to repent, so yeah, ironic, you judging people when you can’t even judge yourself correctly

And you give ZERO proof. Guess who's the liar.

 

[kcnalp]

near to being cursed is not cursed my friend, you need to stop picking parts out just because they appear to support you while ignoring the part which proves your interpretation Is in error

"Being burned" isn't cursed? OSAS is so Satanic!

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Except if you have believed some where in the past. Then grace is your license—your freedom—to reject the gospel and get a pass on that damnation. Right?

No .... all of that stuff depends on” Lucky repentance” .....lol.....