Is the Catholic Church Today Part of Jesus' Body?

[amadeus]

You have answered just as you were led to do so by the question. Either way, if the Vatican is part of Christ's Body, they are to be judged today. If they are not to be judged, then they are merely part of the heathen world.

LOL...But then is not whole point of having such a discussion moot? How clean are your hands?

 

[Jacob28]

LOL...But then is not whole point of having such a discussion moot? How clean are your hands?

You have just shown here the only way Catholics can think to justify their heresy is to compare themselves to someone else. That is what you just did.

 

[amadeus]

Correct my friend . we are not their judge . Thus i condemn none . But to do all out of love to pull those in error out of error ,
i simply must do . My soul aches for the people and watching folks get destroyed brings much pain to my heart .
We must do something . I did not come to bash on anyone . Simply to remind . IF we love folks we
point them to Christ , sound doctrine and away from error . Now , let the LORD be praised my friend .

If you believe they are in error and that God wants you to warn people, then you must follow God as He leads you. That is not judging them even though you may believe they need to be judged! Who is qualified to judge? I know of no man so qualified!

 

[Ziggy]

Psa 25:8 Good and upright is the LORD: therefore will he teach sinners in the way.

Mat 9:10 And it came to pass, as Jesus sat at meat in the house, behold, many publicans and sinners came and sat down with him and his disciples.

If your not a "catholic" there is no way you will convince a "catholic" they are going the wrong way.
It will only come from other "catholics"

Same as politics.
A Republican will not convince a Democrat to vote against the others.
But a Democrat may be able to persuade other Democrats to do so.
Same goes for Republicans, or cultures, or religions.

No matter how much you rail against the tide.. it's still going to flow.
Until God changes it from within.

Psa 127:1 [[A Song of degrees for Solomon.]] Except the LORD build the house, they labour in vain that build it: except the LORD keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain.

Mar 14:36 And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt.

We don't know God's plans. Because His ways are higher than our ways.
So leave them alone and they'll come home,
with Praises to God in the Highest

Luk 2:14 Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.

Pray.. PRAY..
Whacking people isn't working.
Hugs

 

[Jacob28]

Psa 25:8 Good and upright is the LORD: therefore will he teach sinners in the way.

Mat 9:10 And it came to pass, as Jesus sat at meat in the house, behold, many publicans and sinners came and sat down with him and his disciples.

If your not a "catholic" there is no way you will convince a "catholic" they are going the wrong way.
It will only come from other "catholics"

Same as politics.
A Republican will not convince a Democrat to vote against the others.
But a Democrat may be able to persuade other Democrats to do so.
Same goes for Republicans, or cultures, or religions.

No matter how much you rail against the tide.. it's still going to flow.
Until God changes it from within.

Psa 127:1 [[A Song of degrees for Solomon.]] Except the LORD build the house, they labour in vain that build it: except the LORD keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain.

Mar 14:36 And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt.

We don't know God's plans. Because His ways are higher than our ways.
So leave them alone and they'll come home,
with Praises to God in the Highest

Luk 2:14 Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.

Pray.. PRAY..
Whacking people isn't working.
Hugs

Jesus verbally whacked many, many people

The pope sitting in his public meeting hall built to look like the head of a large serpent has the same spiritual pedigree as the Pharisees whom Jesus said to their faces were the sons of Satan.

 

[amigo de christo]

If you believe they are in error and that God wants you to warn people, then you must follow God as He leads you. That is not judging them even though you may believe they need to be judged! Who is qualified to judge? I know of no man so qualified!

Yes, out of much love i must warn them . For i desire the death of none .

 

[amadeus]

The Catholic Vatican worship their own influence and power under the hand of Satan within Freemasonry.

Why is the Vatican's public meeting hall constructed to look like the mouth and head of a serpent?

As I just told my friend and brother @amigo de christo I am not a judge and I don't know the answer to those questions. Have you heard of Senator Joseph Raymond McCarthy from back in the 1950's who ruined the reputations against a multitude of people, many of them innocent, just by making the accusations? Perhaps he caught a few real "reds" but was it worth the damaged done to the innocents. What happened then to "innocent until proven guilty"? You believe the Catholics are guilty, then charge them and see how that pleases God, but at least be honest by admitting you believe it is all instead of acting if your words are God's truth.

Ultimately there are no innocents before God until and if he makes them clean. That includes me and it includes you, which why we are incompetent judges.

 

[amigo de christo]

Psa 25:8 Good and upright is the LORD: therefore will he teach sinners in the way.

Mat 9:10 And it came to pass, as Jesus sat at meat in the house, behold, many publicans and sinners came and sat down with him and his disciples.

If your not a "catholic" there is no way you will convince a "catholic" they are going the wrong way.
It will only come from other "catholics"

Same as politics.
A Republican will not convince a Democrat to vote against the others.
But a Democrat may be able to persuade other Democrats to do so.
Same goes for Republicans, or cultures, or religions.

No matter how much you rail against the tide.. it's still going to flow.
Until God changes it from within.

Psa 127:1 [[A Song of degrees for Solomon.]] Except the LORD build the house, they labour in vain that build it: except the LORD keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain.

Mar 14:36 And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt.

We don't know God's plans. Because His ways are higher than our ways.
So leave them alone and they'll come home,
with Praises to God in the Highest

Luk 2:14 Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.

Pray.. PRAY..
Whacking people isn't working.
Hugs

You are loved ziggy . I was going to remind you of something .
even upon the confession of many ex catholics , they often say that God used one outside of their religoin
to help open their eyes . I just wanted to remind you of that as well my dear sister . You are dearly loved sister .

 

[Jacob28]

As I just told my friend and brother @amigo de christo I am not a judge and I don't know the answer to those questions. Have you heard of Senator Joseph Raymond McCarthy from back in the 1950's who ruined the reputations against a multitude of people, many of them innocent, just by making the accusations? Perhaps he caught a few real "reds" but was it worth the damaged done to the innocents. What happened then to "innocent until proven guilty"? You believe the Catholics are guilty, then charge them and see how that pleases God, but at least be honest by admitting you believe it is all instead of acting if your words are God's truth.

Ultimately there are no innocents before God until and if he makes them clean. That includes me and it includes you, which why we are incompetent judges.

Does God make anyone clean when they say a mass, or pray to Mary?

 

[Jacob28]

You are loved ziggy . I was going to remind you of something .
even upon the confession of many ex catholics , they often say that God used one outside of their religoin
to help open their eyes . I just wanted to remind you of that as well my dear sister . You are dearly loved sister .

Because you love her, does that mean her doctrine honors God?

 

[Ziggy]

Jesus verbally whacked many, many people

The pope sitting in his public meeting hall built to look like the head of a large serpent has the same spiritual pedigree as the Pharisees whom Jesus said to their faces were the sons of Satan.

I am aware of the imagery.
I am also aware that it is all carnal. It has nothing to with God and everything to do with God.
You can tell the difference between night and day.
Certain things are placed on this earth at different times, to make sure we can still SEE the difference.

How shall I put this..
Rom 9:22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

Now I'm not talking about the people, I'm talking about the system.
Religions are like the deep state.
They have a show of cleanliness on the outside but inside they are rotten.
Becuase there is NONE perfect, No Not One.

God put Ramses on the throne in Egypt.
Only thing could take him down was God himself.

You understand that evil is universal, it's not confined to one religion or another, or no religion at all?
You understand that your not perfect either, or am I?
That attacking people for attending a certain "building" is fruitless?
The change has to come from the heart.
And that my friend is God's job.
We are there to give support when He does.

You have a lot of grrrr in your heart.
You need to check that and get rid of it.
It's making you sour.

Hugs

 

[amigo de christo]

Because you love her, does that mean her doctrine honors God?

You must be bored . How often i have already said , I dont approve of her doctrine .
anyway i am out of here . I didnt come to bash , i just came express the danger of that church and pray folks get out of her .
But the conversation has long derailed .

 

[Ziggy]

Because you love her, does that mean her doctrine honors God?

I didn't know I had a doctrine..
Luk 4:32 And they were astonished at his doctrine: for his word was with power.

Only doctrine I know is the Lord's.
Hugs

 

[Ziggy]

You must be bored . How often i have already said , I dont approve of her doctrine .
anyway i am out of here . I didnt come to bash , i just came express the danger of that church and pray folks get out of her .
But the conversation has long derailed .

I think he was talking about me??
Maybe I got it confused..
Anywho
I'm with you..
Looking for more edifying conversation.
I know it's in this forum.
I'm going to go find me some.

HUGS

 

[amadeus]

Yes. The extended history of the Vatican torturing and slaughtering those who pursue their own lives into God is the knowledge we have to characterize what the Vatican is all about. The Vatican murders, the Jesuits subvert countries, and neither want to mind their own business.

Why do Catholic buildings have statues of evil gargoyles, and Masonic symbols purposefully placed in the architecture?

And what new evidence are you presenting. [not hearsay] that hasn't been presented dozens of times before over the years? Over the decades and perhaps even over the centuries? It has been on this forum many times. Back in the 1970's when I came to my first non-Catholic Church the Chick publications were being passed around too. People have been warned and warned again. Why not resort to reading our Bibles and praying for God's help instead of deciding what His will and judgement is and forging ahead as prosecutor, judge and yes, executioner?

"O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps" Jerem 10:23

Are you an exception to what Jeremiah wrote thousands of years ago? What Jesus did for us did not make us instantaneously into perfect righteous judges over anyone else!

 

[amadeus]

You have just shown here the only way Catholics can think to justify their heresy is to compare themselves to someone else. That is what you just did.

No sir I was checking your credentials! Mine are not up to it!

 

[Jacob28]

I am aware of the imagery.
I am also aware that it is all carnal. It has nothing to with God and everything to do with God.
You can tell the difference between night and day.
Certain things are placed on this earth at different times, to make sure we can still SEE the difference.

How shall I put this..
Rom 9:22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

Now I'm not talking about the people, I'm talking about the system.
Religions are like the deep state.
They have a show of cleanliness on the outside but inside they are rotten.
Becuase there is NONE perfect, No Not One.

God put Ramses on the throne in Egypt.
Only thing could take him down was God himself.

You understand that evil is universal, it's not confined to one religion or another, or no religion at all?
You understand that your not perfect either, or am I?
That attacking people for attending a certain "building" is fruitless?
The change has to come from the heart.
And that my friend is God's job.
We are there to give support when He does.

You have a lot of grrrr in your heart.
You need to check that and get rid of it.
It's making you sour.

Hugs

1 These. 5:22 "Abstain from all appearance of evil."

Placing demonic images and symbols upon churches is the appearance of evil. Explanations to the contrary of God's Word is how sin entered the world through Eve in the Garden as she thought to figure things out using her own reasoning.

Are you doing the same thing here with your reasoning?

 

[amadeus]

Yes, out of much love i must warn them . For i desire the death of none .

Amen!

 

[Jacob28]

Amen!

I didn't know I had a doctrine..
Luk 4:32 And they were astonished at his doctrine: for his word was with power.

Only doctrine I know is the Lord's.
Hugs

What actual power of Christ do you show?

 

[amadeus]

Does God make anyone clean when they say a mass, or pray to Mary?

Does God turn away from a sincere believing hearts because their theology is wrong?

"Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled" Matt 5:6

"But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and cast it to dogs.
And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.
Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour." Matt 15:26-28