Is the Catholic Church Today Part of Jesus' Body?

[Jacob28]

you forgot blessed Mary ever Virgin mother of God

A good tree!

Matthew 7:18
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

The fruit of the tree of Mary is our salvation! Lk 2:30 Jesus is our salvation!
Lk 1:30 Mary found our salvation!

Mother of Divine Grace!

Hebrews 4:16
Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.


The throne of Grace is the throne of Mary the ever Virgin mother of God!

We come boldly to this throne cause Mary is our mother and advocate!

Mary is the storehouse of divine graces!

Lk 1:28
And the angel entered to her, and said, Hail Mary, full of grace; the Lord is with thee; blessed be thou among women.


Salvation is to be found with Mary!
Jesus Christ is our salvation! Lk 2:30
He is Lord, and He is with Mary! Lk 1:28
Mary found our salvation! Lk 1:30
Consented to our salvation! Lk 1:38


Biblical Mary:

Mother of God Lk 1:43

Immaculate conception (sinless) gen 3:15 enmity or total war none of satans works are found in Mary
Also Lk 1:28 full of grace lk 1:49 great things plural (immaculate conception of Mary and the miraculous conception of Jesus)

Lk 1:30 found favor with God (the salvation lost by Adam) mother of our salvation Lk 2:30

Perpetual Virgin Isa 7:14 matt 1:21
Lk 1:31-34

Queen of heaven
In the line of david’s kingdom the mother of the king is always queen
Jesus is king Lk 1:32-33
And king of heaven so Mary is queen of heaven

A Royal greeting!

Lk 1:28 is the only place in the Bible where such a greeting takes place!
Mary is of the tribe of Judah and the royal house of David the king!

God himself is greeting Mary thru the instrument of the angel Gabriel!

This is a Royal greeting of the queen of heaven and earth! Queen of the angels and saints! Mary is of the house of king David!

In the line of king David the mother of the king is the queen, as Jesus Christ is the king of heaven and earth and the angels and saints so Mary is the queen of the same! Lk 1:32-33

Lk 1:28 And the angel entered to her, and said, Hail, full of grace; the Lord is with thee; blessed be thou among women.
29 And when she had heard, she was troubled in his word, and thought what manner salutation this was.
30 And the angel said to her, Dread thou not, Mary, for thou hast found grace with God.

Mary is queen in rev 12:1 and heb 4:16
Mother of divine grace

No, indeed I have not forgotten Mary. She does nothing to accomplish the Salvation of anyone. No words of hers or acts of hers can be found in Scripture which have any effect upon anyone.

In fact, Jesus corrected her ignorance by saying, "Woman, what have I to do with you?" She refused to answer Him, showing her presumptive error.

 

[theefaith]

One must understand the word Catholic mean universal. Which implies universal church. When you do any research concerning the Roman Catholic Church you’ll find false teachings that have entered into it. In reality most denominations today have introduced false teachings. With the Roman Catholic Church down through the years you can see the following:
The facts of history show that gradually, over several hundred years, the early church, and especially the church in Rome added many man-made traditions to the simple truth of Christianity. By the third century, they were baptizing babies and worshipping at the graves of "saints." By the fifth century the Catholic Church accepted Original Sin and Transubstantiation. Eventually, the Catholic Church invented false teachings and practices such as the Immaculate Conception of Mary, Purgatory, indulgences, celibate priests papal infallibility and the like. Some of these are unbiblical traditions, others are false doctrines.

If you read the letters written in Revelation you can see where many denominations have erred.

Wrong these are biblical

for example

Mother of God Lk 1:43

Immaculate conception (sinless) gen 3:15 enmity or total war none of satans works are found in Mary
Also Lk 1:28 full of grace lk 1:49 great things plural (immaculate conception of Mary and the miraculous conception of Jesus)

Lk 1:30 found favor with God (the salvation lost by Adam) mother of our salvation Lk 2:30

Perpetual Virgin Isa 7:14 matt 1:21
Lk 1:31-34

Queen of heaven
In the line of david’s kingdom the mother of the king is always queen
Jesus is king Lk 1:32-33
And king of heaven so Mary is queen of heaven

A Royal greeting!

Lk 1:28 is the only place in the Bible where such a greeting takes place!
Mary is of the tribe of Judah and the royal house of David the king!

God himself is greeting Mary thru the instrument of the angel Gabriel!

This is a Royal greeting of the queen of heaven and earth! Queen of the angels and saints! Mary is of the house of king David!

In the line of king David the mother of the king is the queen, as Jesus Christ is the king of heaven and earth and the angels and saints so Mary is the queen of the same! Lk 1:32-33

Lk 1:28 And the angel entered to her, and said, Hail, full of grace; the Lord is with thee; blessed be thou among women.
29 And when she had heard, she was troubled in his word, and thought what manner salutation this was.
30 And the angel said to her, Dread thou not, Mary, for thou hast found grace with God.

Mary is queen in rev 12:1 and heb 4:16
Mother of divine grace

 

[theefaith]

One must understand the word Catholic mean universal. Which implies universal church. When you do any research concerning the Roman Catholic Church you’ll find false teachings that have entered into it. In reality most denominations today have introduced false teachings. With the Roman Catholic Church down through the years you can see the following:
The facts of history show that gradually, over several hundred years, the early church, and especially the church in Rome added many man-made traditions to the simple truth of Christianity. By the third century, they were baptizing babies and worshipping at the graves of "saints." By the fifth century the Catholic Church accepted Original Sin and Transubstantiation. Eventually, the Catholic Church invented false teachings and practices such as the Immaculate Conception of Mary, Purgatory, indulgences, celibate priests papal infallibility and the like. Some of these are unbiblical traditions, others are false doctrines.

If you read the letters written in Revelation you can see where many denominations have erred.

read the Bible matt 16:18
Shall not prevail and the church is the spotless bride of Christ

 

[GRACE ambassador]

I don't suppose that's the plan....
I'm a student...the lessons being taught just weren't as productive as the lessons I'm learning walking in the spirit...And it wouldn't be much of a classroom if only I was sitting in it.alas...Thank You Hugs

Precious "student" friend, you are very welcome! Hope this is "edifying":

IF I am "walking by faith, in the Spirit," and, found false doctrine in
"my organization," Would It Be God's Plan for me to "stay and try
to CORRECT them," or obey HIM?:

"Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye Separate, saith
The LORD, and touch not the unclean {false doctrine} thing; and
I will receive you, And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be
MY sons and daughters, Saith The LORD Almighty." (2Co 6:17-18)

Like you, Ziggy, I have been a "professional" student most of my life -
so far I have {obeying God?}, dropped out of the religious schools of
Romanism, charismaticism, water regenerationism {see post # 162 },
reformedism, and IFB-ism, leaving All of their traditions Behind.

Hopefully now, I can simply share God's Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided, with others to Encourage, Edify, and possibly help them
Solve The RELIGIOUS Confusion that God Allowed me to "go through."

Ziggy, was there something in The Following that was NOT
"edifying" to you, in your own "walk of faith, In The Spirit"?:

God's Simple Will:
Precious friend(s), Is not the Solution to Confusion recognizing
God's Differences Between "HIS Relationship With us," And
"our fellowship with HIM!"?

God's Will, Today, Under HIS PURE GRACE? Very Simply:

(1) God Establishes HIS Eternal Relationship With those who humbly:
believe, 100% trust, place Total faith, In The LORD JESUS CHRIST, HIS
Death {Precious BLOOD}, Burial, And HIS Resurrection, According To The
Scriptures! (1 Corinthians 15:3-4; cp Ephesians 2:8-9; Romans 3-5 KJB!)

"GRACE Through faith" In The Merits Of HIS
Precious And ALL-Sufficient BLOOD Results:

All sins Forgiven, HIS Eternal Life, And, Peace With God!
{This Is Eternal DELIVERANCE From the PENALTY of sin!}
Justification First, And, THEN:

(2) The believer SHOULD do "good works" {Which will NEVER
EQUAL CHRIST's TOTAL PAYMENT For the above PENALTY of sin!},
for Which we Are Created In CHRIST JESUS, to perform for HIM,
having "been Called into fellowship With HIM!" Amen?:

We "work out OUR OWN salvation" {This SHOULD Be a
lifetime of DELIVERANCE From the POWER of sin!}
Sanctification:

(2a) Fulfil ALL Of His Law, In "ONE Word: LOVE your neighbor
as yourself!" (Galatians 5:14; Romans 13:8-10 KJB!)

(2b) Study HIS Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided, to show
yourself Approved Unto God! (2 Timothy 2:15 KJB!)

Eternal Results: reward {or loss} (1 Corinthians 3 : 8-15 KJB!),
ruling and reigning With CHRIST, Which Will FINALLY Be At
The Judgment Day:

(3) CHRIST's GLORIFICATION of All "members" Of HIS Body!!
{This Is Eternal DELIVERANCE From the PRESENCE of sin!}
Amen?
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Conclusion:
BIG Differences Between God's Relationship And our fellowship!
Correct?

Precious friend(s): Please Be Very Richly Blessed!

 

[Jacob28]

I will respond


Merits of christ’s blood applied in the sacraments!

Matt 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Rom 3:24
Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

1 pet 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

Heb 10:22
Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.









Acts 2:47
Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.



1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.


Lk 1: 72 To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant;

73 The oath which he sware to our father Abraham,

74 That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear,



There is only one true church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles and their successors is the new covenant body of Christ! Matt 1:18 & Jn 10:16 one fold

1 Timothy 3:15
But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

Christ and His church are one: acts 9 why persecute me?

1 Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

Any denial of the divinity of Christ: or His incarnation: or the Holy Trinity is antichrist! Or Christ from His Holy Church! Or the unity of Christians with the church, the body of Christ, the new covenant in union with the mediator and in communion with God and the saints!

“Faith alone” denies the Union of the Christian in the church thru the sacraments promised by the Father and instituted by Christ! Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4



The promise (sacred oath or sacrament) of the Father acts 2:38-39 with reference to ez 36:25-27

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Ez 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

Jn 3:5 born again by water and the spirit.

Heb 7:21 For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec
(Oath = sacrament)

Hebrews 8:6
But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. Based on Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:



A promise is a sacred oath or sacrament!
Baptismal regeneration is the promise of the Father for union in the new covenant!

The church and the seven sacraments are necessary for salvation

Better covenant on better promises

2 Timothy 1:1
Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, according to the promise of life which is in Christ Jesus,

Life of supernatural grace merited by Christ in His passion and death!

An oath to sacramental life in the new covenant in union with the mediator and communion with God, and the saints!

Promise of the Father acts 2:23-39
Promise is an oath and an oath is a sacrament! This promise of the sacrament of baptism refers to ez. 36:25-27

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.


1 Pet 3:20
Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
(Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
(Outside the ark all died and outside the church there is no salvation!)

The Roman Catholic organization has nothing to do with The Apostles. They carry none of the authority or power which The Apostles had. Romanism sits stop a fortune of goods and enjoys the favor of nations, nothing which the Apostles promoted or did.

The so called Roman sacraments in mass are empty and meaningless to God. Those who trust in the empty sacraments are gullible unto death. Repent while you have time and breath.

 

[theefaith]

Would "addressing" them pretend that they occurred for good reasons? The Catholics slaughtered the Albigensians in France. Correct?

these are heretics!
Heresy is treason against God and punishable by death

albigensians: duelist sin of Manichaeism
god of good (spiritual or light) and a god of evil. (matter or darkness)

 

[theefaith]

Does God place the righteousness of Jesus upon Roman Catholicism?

Christ and his church are one act 9:4

the church continues the work of redemption
Matt 28:19 the apostles continues to teach the nations and baptism disciples

 

[theefaith]

The Bible does not teach good works will keep anyone from Hell.

There is no peace or love in the falsehood of good works. There is the only damnation.

Redemption, Justification, Sanctification, and Salvation!

Redemption: 100 percent the work of God, thru the life, death, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus Christ! All mankind are redeemed in Christ! Eph 2
Galatians 2:16 3:13
Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law...
Christ alone accomplished the redemption of mankind apart from any works on our part!

Justification: our acceptance of redemption thru faith and baptism! Become a disciple and member of Christ and His Church! Jn 3:5 acts 2:38 Mk 16:16 He who believes and is baptized shall be saved. 1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.


Sanctification: the life of grace in the holy sacrifice of the mass and sacraments, prayer, virture, and good works, the just living by faith, and faith working thru love! Phil 1:29 called to suffer with Christ.
All done in Christ thru His grace! Jn 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Salvation: a christian in the state if grace at the moment of death we enter into the salvation of the Lord! Mt 24:44-47 faithful servant! Jn 15:1-5 abide in me. Mt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Heb 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
Heb 6:11 And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end:
Heb 4:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
Rom 13:11 ...for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

Suffering required for glorification with Christ!

Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:




1 Pet 3:20
Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
(Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
(Outside the ark all died and outside the church there is no salvation!)
The holy church is the ark of grace and salvation!

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Faith is part of works!

Works is defined as something we choose to do, volition!

Faith is also works because you have to choose to believe! Jn 1:12 Jn 3:16 rom 10:9

And continue to believe, a perpetual state of believing. Matt 24:13 Jn 15:1-5

 

[Ziggy]

Ziggy, was there something in The Following that was NOT
"edifying" to you, in your own "walk of faith, In The Spirit"?:

I'm sorry Grace,
I don't understand the question..

What I find edifying is when everyone is working together in the garden and preparing food for all to eat.
And the food is good, and much love has gone into the preperation of it.
Sweat and tears to till the ground to produce an abundant crop to share.

What I don't find edifying is people arguing over things that have no nutritional value whatsoever.
Like marshmallows or soda pop. Empty calories.
And harmful to the body.

I guess you could say I walk in a kind of simplicity. I don't understand the big words or technical meanings.
The different theologies.
I have to look a lot of things up in the dictionary that people talk about here.

Some things I haven't matured enough to understand. I'm still in the process of learning to walk.
I talk about things that some would consider "simple"
But that's what I know.

And attitude is a big part of the edification process.
Some speak gentle and mild and they are easy to listen to.
Some speak with venom and vitriol for all things, no good thing comes out of their mouths.
Sometimes I can't just walk away and not be a partaker of sorts in that doctrine.
That's that carnal part still clinging on.

IF I am "walking by faith, in the Spirit," and, found false doctrine in
"my organization," Would It Be God's Plan for me to "stay and try
to CORRECT them," or obey HIM?:

That's the part I'm still learning.
Yes and Yes..
Could be staying in the battle for truth is God's plan and how we obey him.
And at other times to be removed from it.
God puts you where he needs to when he needs to.

Maybe sometimes we are placed in certain circumstances for His purpose:

Luk 12:11 And when they bring you unto the synagogues, and unto magistrates, and powers, take ye no thought how or what thing ye shall answer, or what ye shall say:
Luk 12:12 For the Holy Ghost shall teach you in the same hour what ye ought to say.

How will they hear what He has to say if no one is there to open their mouths?
Sometimes we don't get to choose the circumstances, they are chosen for us.

But to know when to speak and know when to walk away...
I'm still learning and practicing..

Thank You
Hugs

 

[Jacob28]

Redemption, Justification, Sanctification, and Salvation!

Redemption: 100 percent the work of God, thru the life, death, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus Christ! All mankind are redeemed in Christ! Eph 2
Galatians 2:16 3:13
Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law...
Christ alone accomplished the redemption of mankind apart from any works on our part!

Justification: our acceptance of redemption thru faith and baptism! Become a disciple and member of Christ and His Church! Jn 3:5 acts 2:38 Mk 16:16 He who believes and is baptized shall be saved. 1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.


Sanctification: the life of grace in the holy sacrifice of the mass and sacraments, prayer, virture, and good works, the just living by faith, and faith working thru love! Phil 1:29 called to suffer with Christ.
All done in Christ thru His grace! Jn 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Salvation: a christian in the state if grace at the moment of death we enter into the salvation of the Lord! Mt 24:44-47 faithful servant! Jn 15:1-5 abide in me. Mt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Heb 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
Heb 6:11 And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end:
Heb 4:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
Rom 13:11 ...for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

Suffering required for glorification with Christ!

Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:




1 Pet 3:20
Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
(Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
(Outside the ark all died and outside the church there is no salvation!)
The holy church is the ark of grace and salvation!

————————-
Faith is part of works!

Works is defined as something we choose to do, volition!

Faith is also works because you have to choose to believe! Jn 1:12 Jn 3:16 rom 10:9

And continue to believe, a perpetual state of believing. Matt 24:13 Jn 15:1-5

For all of that emotional and busy explanation, the summary that "faith is also works" is in error. Scripture does not say such a thing, your imagination does.

The Catholic organization demands a long list of arbitrary compliances which address faith in theit doctrine, not faith in Christ.

The Jesus believed in by the Vatican is not the Son of God in Scripture. The current "pope" has stated there is salvation apart from Jesus' Crucifixion and Resurrection. Francise is deluded and lost.

 

[Jacob28]

Christ and his church are one act 9:4

the church continues the work of redemption
Matt 28:19 the apostles continues to teach the nations and baptism disciples

There is no evidence that the Vatican is Christ's Church.

The Vatican displays architectural gargoyles and Masonic symbolism. The Vatican serves Satan as the "pope" sits within a public reception hall built to resemble the head of a serpent. Satan is a serpent.

 

[Jacob28]

these are heretics!
Heresy is treason against God and punishable by death

albigensians: duelist sin of Manichaeism
god of good (spiritual or light) and a god of evil. (matter or darkness)

The Vatican is not positioned by God to judge and slaughter anyone. The Vatican is filled with Godless fools damned for Hell.

 

[Ziggy]

I was browsing through the tv channels today. I don't usually watch tv.
But my dad was hanging out with me for about two weeks and he likes watching the westerns.
So, when I took him back home yesteday I never turned the tv off.
It was just like low background noise.
Anywhoooo...
I started flickin through the channels and ran into all the religious channels.
And you know what they were talking about?
Politics.
They have all fallen under the power of deception.
And after they tell you what you should believe, they try to pursuade you to send them money.
You know how much a tv station costs? Millions.
And what do they do with the money?
They get more channels. And request more money.

You can point a finger here and a finger there.
Truth is...
TIME IS SHORT.
Hugs

 

[Jacob28]

I was browsing through the tv channels today. I don't usually watch tv.
But my dad was hanging out with me for about two weeks and he likes watching the westerns.
So, when I took him back home yesteday I never turned the tv off.
It was just like low background noise.
Anywhoooo...
I started flickin through the channels and ran into all the religious channels.
And you know what they were talking about?
Politics.
They have all fallen under the power of deception.
And after they tell you what you should believe, they try to pursuade you to send them money.
You know how much a tv station costs? Millions.
And what do they do with the money?
They get more channels. And request more money.

You can point a finger here and a finger there.
Truth is...
TIME IS SHORT.
Hugs

Yes. The Media pseudo Church is going down the same path as Vatican Romanism to assume the World is to be understood within its political appearance.

The Media pseudo Church is just as false.

 

[Ziggy]

They tried dragging Jesus into politics all the time.
They accused him of not paying tribute to Ceasar,
They accused him of wanting to replace Ceasar.
The whole thing was about politics and the laws.

The law says hate speech is a crime/ the Constitution says, Congress shall make no law regarding free speech.
The Pharisees and Saducees said no plucking corn on the Sabbath/ Jesus said God made the Sabbath for man.

It's all politics.
And now like then the main ingredients are missing.. Love, Mercy, and Justice.
Most religions today bow to politics.
They try dragging the Lord into it.
Just yesterday I found an article where the Pope has declared that women are no longer allowed to be in the clergy.
Pope John Paul allowed it and Pope Francis denied it.

So my question is..
If the doctrine is shifting all the time, how do you know where to stand?
Are you for or against women being Priests?

And if you can't see how politics is even trying to divide the Catholic church and turn them against eachother...
They don't need us coming in with daggers and swords.
They are going to be facing some serious moral internal questions among themselves.

Did God create men and women equal?
Should women be silent in the church?
Should women be allowed to teach in the church?
How come the rules keep changing?

just thinking..
Hugs

 

[Jacob28]

They tried dragging Jesus into politics all the time.
They accused him of not paying tribute to Ceasar,
They accused him of wanting to replace Ceasar.
The whole thing was about politics and the laws.

The law says hate speech is a crime/ the Constitution says, Congress shall make no law regarding free speech.
The Pharisees and Saducees said no plucking corn on the Sabbath/ Jesus said God made the Sabbath for man.

It's all politics.
And now like then the main ingredients are missing.. Love, Mercy, and Justice.
Most religions today bow to politics.
They try dragging the Lord into it.
Just yesterday I found an article where the Pope has declared that women are no longer allowed to be in the clergy.
Pope John Paul allowed it and Pope Francis denied it.

So my question is..
If the doctrine is shifting all the time, how do you know where to stand?
Are you for or against women being Priests?

And if you can't see how politics is even trying to divide the Catholic church and turn them against eachother...
They don't need us coming in with daggers and swords.
They are going to be facing some serious moral internal questions among themselves.

Did God create men and women equal?
Should women be silent in the church?
Should women be allowed to teach in the church?
How come the rules keep changing?

just thinking..
Hugs

Are you perhaps a female?

 

[Ziggy]

Are you perhaps a female?

I am

 

[Jacob28]

I am

Most obvious from the manner you speak.

 

[Ziggy]

Most obvious from the manner you speak.

is that good?
I have nothing to hide friend.

Hugs

 

[Jacob28]

is that good?
I have nothing to hide friend.

Hugs

The issue of hiding is unrelated to this discussion.

Has anyone ever provided the concept that not all things are related to each other?