Jerusalem Is The Whore, Mystery Babylon The Great Of Revelation Chapter 17

[Marty fox]

Marty the very "clear" information provided below, shows your claims are "wrong"

The figure in Daniel 9:27 below will be present on earth until the "future consummation", the ultimate end

How can a person have a legitimate conversation in truth, with blatant denial as seen in your response

Marty Antiochus Epiphanies 164BC didnt fulfill the figure seen in Daniel 9:27 below, this figure will be future and present on earth until the "Consummation" the ultimate end

Merriam-Webster
Definition of consummation

1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signature specifically : the consummating of a marriage
2: the ultimate end : FINISH

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Why are you thinking that it’s the end of our world when it’s not?

It was talking about the end of the 70th week not the end of the world. Is there any mention of a antichrist desecrating a temple in revelation? Would that be missed it it were true?

You need to let the bible interpret the bible and think about some questions.

Is there a need or purpose for a future temple?

Acts 17:24
"The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by human hands.

Is there a need or purpose for future temple sacrifices?

Hebrews 10:18
And where these have been forgiven, sacrifice for sin is no longer necessary.

If there were a future temple built would it actually be Gods temple?

1 Corinthians 3:16
Don't you know that you yourselves are God's temple and that God's Spirit dwells in your midst?

1 Corinthians 6:19
Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;

The answer for each question above is no. So if a future temple was built and a antichrist desecrated it why would any Christian or even God Himself even care.

The view of a future temple and sacrifice being Gods will goes against the theology of Christianity

 

[Marty fox]

Marty please fix the upper quote in post #138 so your response will be visible to the forum, thanks

I redid it thanks

 

[Marty fox]

To Marty fox:
Sorry for the mix up abve
As for AE-4, your out line of the events of the AoD is accurate, however you still have to deal with the 2300 days, the 1290 days and the "blessing" for they who come to the 1335 days. As I said, your accounting the events is accurate, all of which takes
patience to follow the history

Sorry but I don’t know what you mean I haven’t talked about them yet what do you mean?

 

[Earburner]

Why are you thinking that it’s the end of our world when it’s not?

It was talking about the end of the 70th week not the end of the world. Is there any mention of a antichrist desecrating a temple in revelation? Would that be missed it it were true?

You need to let the bible interpret the bible and think about some questions.

Is there a need or purpose for a future temple?

Acts 17:24
"The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by human hands.

Is there a need or purpose for future temple sacrifices?

Hebrews 10:18
And where these have been forgiven, sacrifice for sin is no longer necessary.

If there were a future temple built would it actually be Gods temple?

1 Corinthians 3:16
Don't you know that you yourselves are God's temple and that God's Spirit dwells in your midst?

1 Corinthians 6:19
Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;

The answer for each question above is no. So if a future temple was built and a antichrist desecrated it why would any Christian or even God Himself even care.

The view of a future temple and sacrifice being Gods will goes against the theology of Christianity

No one has answered the dilemma I proposed about the word "he" in Daniel 9
[26] And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
[27] And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

John 5:39 is the clue!

 

[Truth7t7]

Why are you thinking that it’s the end of our world when it’s not?

It was talking about the end of the 70th week not the end of the world. Is there any mention of a antichrist desecrating a temple in revelation? Would that be missed it it were true?

You need to let the bible interpret the bible and think about some questions.

Is there a need or purpose for a future temple?

Acts 17:24
"The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by human hands.

Is there a need or purpose for future temple sacrifices?

Hebrews 10:18
And where these have been forgiven, sacrifice for sin is no longer necessary.

If there were a future temple built would it actually be Gods temple?

1 Corinthians 3:16
Don't you know that you yourselves are God's temple and that God's Spirit dwells in your midst?

1 Corinthians 6:19
Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;

The answer for each question above is no. So if a future temple was built and a antichrist desecrated it why would any Christian or even God Himself even care.

The view of a future temple and sacrifice being Gods will goes against the theology of Christianity

(Revelation) 19:19-20, (Daniel) 7:8-11, (Daniel) 9:27 all the same bad guy, as Daniel 7:8-11 gives the complete description of the second coming in final judgement "Consummation", as the bad guy is thrown into the Lake Of Fire, Same Bad Guy In All Accounts below

(Revelation) 19:19-20KJV
19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

(Daniel) 7:8-11KJV
8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

(Daniel) 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

 

[Truth7t7]

No one has answered the dilemma I proposed about the word "he" in Daniel 9
[26] And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
[27] And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

John 5:39 is the clue!

Your claim is false!

You lead posters to read John 5:39 below,and falsely suggest the (He) in Daniel 9:27 is Jesus Christ (Evil)

No Jesus Christ isnt the (He) in Daniel 9:27, no Jesus Christ isn't going to be making abominations and desolation described in Daniel 9:27 below, it will be the Little Horn, Man Of Sin,The Beast,The Antichrist!

Your suggestion isnt morbid, its (Evil)

John 5:39KJV
39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

 

[Marty fox]

(Revelation) 19:19-20, (Daniel) 7:8-11, (Daniel) 9:27 all the same bad guy, as Daniel 7:8-11 gives the complete description of the second coming in final judgement "Consummation", as the bad guy is thrown into the Lake Of Fire, Same Bad Guy In All Accounts below

(Revelation) 19:19-20KJV
19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

(Daniel) 7:8-11KJV
8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

(Daniel) 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

You stopped short in Daniel 8 you missed out verse 12

Daniel 7:12
12 (The other beasts had been stripped of their authority, but were allowed to live for a period of time.)

If this is supposed to be the consummation of all things the second coming and the final judgement as you said then how come the other three beast are allowed to still live after?

The final judgement in Revelation chapter 20 is the when all that aren’t found in the book of life are cast into the lake of fire.

The bible in the chapters that you referred too has proved your theory incorrect but that okay because we are here to learn from each other.

 

[Truth7t7]

You stopped short in Daniel 8 you missed out verse 12

Daniel 8:12
12 (The other beasts had been stripped of their authority, but were allowed to live for a period of time.)

If this is supposed to be the consummation of all things the second coming and the final judgement as you said then how come the other three beast are allowed to still live after?

The final judgement in Revelation chapter 20 is the when all that aren’t found in the book of life are cast into the lake of fire.

The bible in the chapters that you referred too has proved your theory incorrect but that okay because we are here to learn from each other.

Daniel and Revelation are "Parallel" teachings of same events

Once Again, Daniel 7:8-11 & Daniel 9:27 is speaking of the same human figure and event, the final judgement "consummation"

Revelation 19:19-20 is the same final judgement as Daniel 7:8-11, Revelation 20:11-15 all in "Parallel" teachings of the same event, seen many places in the scripture

 

[Earburner]

My replies are following each of your points >

Truth7t7wrote:
Daniel 9:27KJV
27a. And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week:
My reply >
Jesus confirmed the NEW covenant with the Disciples/Apostles for 7x7=49 years, beginning at His Baptism. So then, Jesus at 30 years old plus 49 years, puts us into the year of 79AD, being 9 years after Titus laid seige to Jerusalem. By the year of 79AD John, though not yet on the Isle of Patmos, was well aware of the destruction of Jerusalem.

> Emperor Titus Flavius Domitianus sent John to Patmos in 95AD
The writing of the book of Revelation was approx. in 96 AD., only 17+/- years later. No one knows exactly WHEN John had the visions, while enduring his captivity on Patmos, nor when it was he actually began writing them down. In any case, John died in 100AD.
So, his writing of Revelation most likely began sometime during or after 95AD, of which was to be sent to the "seven churches", thus revealing that Jesus was completing His mission of "confirming the covenant" with His disciples.

b. and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease,
> Jesus' Sacrifice of Himself, supercedes and eliminates all animal sacrifices.

c. and for [because of] the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate,
> To the Jews, Jesus said: "Your house is left unto you desolate" [void of God].
And again He said to them: "The kingdom of God" (who is Jesus Himself) shall be TAKEN from you, and GIVENto a [holy] nation...", which are all born again Christians, being they themselves, who are that "holy nation", aka Heavenly Jerusalem.

> Even though, at the point of Jesus' Sacrificial death, and when the "Temple veil being torn in two", making visible the Holy of holies", the Jews continued their oblation of animal sacrifices, of which was now an abomination to God.
The ultimate Sacrifice of Jesus made that whole oblation of the Jews to be useless and obsolete.

d. even until the consummation,
> There will never be again oblations of animal sacrifices to God, even to the end of the world.

e. and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
> What was determined, and what shall be "poured out" for all who are desolate (void of God), but do believe?
Ans. The gift of the Holy Spirit of God!

> This is what the reference of 1335 days means in Daniel 12[11] And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. (1290).
> The key here, is to understand and know that the sacrifice of Jesus (an abomination to God the Father) was being "set up" for 1290 literal days, right up to the day of Christ's crucifixion. This is why Jesus said:
"My time is not yet come [set up]". John 7:6

[12] Blessed is he that waiteth,** and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
> It is the number of 45 literal days to the day of Pentecost, after Jesus' ministry in the flesh of 1290 days. 1290+45=1335

**Note: Acts 1[4] And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.
See also- Zechariah 14[8] And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

 

[Marty fox]

Daniel and Revelation are "Parallel" teachings of same events

Once Again, Daniel 7:8-11 & Daniel 9:27 is speaking of the same human figure and event, the final judgement "consummation"

Revelation 19:19-20 is the same final judgement as Daniel 7:8-11, Revelation 20:11-15 all in "Parallel" teachings of the same event, seen many places in the scripture

But once again if so why did you stop short as you missed quoting Daniel 7:12 which is the same Timing?

Daniel 7:12
12 (The other beasts had been stripped of their authority, but were allowed to live for a period of time.)

How would these three beast be able to escape the lake of fire at the consummation of all these things the second coming at the end the final judgement when all not written in the book are cast into the lake of fire?

Do these three beast get a pass a get out of jail free card for a certain time?

Obviously Daniel 7 isn’t the same timing as revelation chapter 20 as it can’t be.

FYI I made a misprint mistake in my last post I said Daniel 8:12 instead of Daniel 7:12 but I fixed it now

 

[Earburner]

Your claim is false!

You lead posters to read John 5:39 below,and falsely suggest the (He) in Daniel 9:27 is Jesus Christ (Evil)

No Jesus Christ isnt the (He) in Daniel 9:27, no Jesus Christ isn't going to be making abominations and desolation described in Daniel 9:27 below, it will be the Little Horn, Man Of Sin,The Beast,The Antichrist!

Your suggestion isnt morbid, its (Evil)

John 5:39KJV
39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

His Truth is stranger than the fiction of "church-ianity".

 

[Truth7t7]

My replies are following each of your points >

Truth7t7wrote:
Daniel 9:27KJV
27a. And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week:
My reply >
Jesus confirmed the NEW covenant with the Disciples/Apostles for 7x7=49 years, beginning at His Baptism. So then, Jesus at 30 years old plus 49 years, puts us into the year of 79AD, being 9 years after Titus laid seige to Jerusalem. By the year of 79AD John, though not yet on the Isle of Patmos, was well aware of the destruction of Jerusalem.

> Emperor Titus Flavius Domitianus sent John to Patmos in 95AD
The writing of the book of Revelation was approx. in 96 AD., only 17+/- years later. No one knows exactly WHEN John had the visions, while enduring his captivity on Patmos, nor when it was he actually began writing them down. In any case, John died in 100AD.
So, his writing of Revelation most likely began sometime during or after 95AD, of which was to be sent to the "seven churches", thus revealing that Jesus was completing His mission of "confirming the covenant" with His disciples.

b. and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease,
> Jesus' Sacrifice of Himself, supercedes and eliminates all animal sacrifices.

c. and for [because of] the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate,
> To the Jews, Jesus said: "Your house is left unto you desolate" [void of God].
And again He said to them: "The kingdom of God" (who is Jesus Himself) shall be TAKEN from you, and GIVENto a [holy] nation...", which are all born again Christians, being they themselves, who are that "holy nation", aka Heavenly Jerusalem.

> Even though, at the point of Jesus' Sacrificial death, and when the "Temple veil being torn in two", making visible the Holy of holies", the Jews continued their oblation of animal sacrifices, of which was now an abomination to God.
The ultimate Sacrifice of Jesus made that whole oblation of the Jews to be useless and obsolete.

d. even until the consummation,
> There will never be again oblations of animal sacrifices to God, even to the end of the world.

e. and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
> What was determined, and what shall be "poured out" for all who are desolate (void of God), but do believe?
Ans. The gift of the Holy Spirit of God!

> This is what the reference of 1335 days means in Daniel 12[11] And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. (1290).
> The key here, is to understand and know that the sacrifice of Jesus (an abomination to God the Father) was being "set up" for 1290 literal days, right up to the day of Christ's crucifixion. This is why Jesus said:
"My time is not yet come [set up]". John 7:6

[12] Blessed is he that waiteth,** and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
> It is the number of 45 literal days to the day of Pentecost, after Jesus' ministry in the flesh of 1290 days. 1290+45=1335

**Note: Acts 1[4] And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.
See also- Zechariah 14[8] And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

No 7X7 dosent equal 49 years, your make believe mystery formula

"How can you be taken seriously"

You have the (He/The Antichrist) in Daniel 9:27 Being Messiah Jesus Christ, Causing Abominations And Desolation, Way Out In "Left Field"

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

 

[Truth7t7]

But once again if so why did you stop short as you missed quoting Daniel 7:12 which is the same Timing?

Daniel 7:12
12 (The other beasts had been stripped of their authority, but were allowed to live for a period of time.)

How would these three beast be able to escape the lake of fire at the consummation of all these things the second coming at the end the final judgement when all not written in the book are cast into the lake of fire?

Do these three beast get a pass a get out of jail free card for a certain time?

Obviously Daniel 7 isn’t the same timing as revelation chapter 20 as it can’t be.

FYI I made a misprint mistake in my last post I said Daniel 8:12 instead of Daniel 7:12 but I fixed it now

Marty We Have Ran Around The Bush Several Times, We Will Disagree

The Bad Guy Seen In Daniel 7:8-11, Daniel 9:27,& Revelation 19:20 Is The Same Future "Human Man", And The Event Seen IsThe Future Second Coming, Final Judgement At The "Consummation"

We Will Disagree, The Horse Is Dead

 

[Ronald Nolette]

(Jerusalem) Is The Whore, Mystery Babylon The Great Of Revelation Chapter 17

The Levitical High Priest & Dressing represents "The Woman", that is dressed in purple, scarlet, gold, and precious stones as seen below

(Revelation) 17:4KJV
4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

Yes, The Levitical High Priest, Dressed In Purple, Scarlet, Gold, And Precious Stones

(Exodus) 28:15-20KJV
15 And thou shalt make the breastplate of judgment with cunning work; after the work of the ephod thou shalt make it; of gold, of blue, and of purple, and of scarlet, and of fine twined linen, shalt thou make it.
16 Foursquare it shall be being doubled; a span shall be the length thereof, and a span shall be the breadth thereof.
17 And thou shalt set in it settings of stones, even four rows of stones: the first row shall be a sardius, a topaz, and a carbuncle: this shall be the first row.
18 And the second row shall be an emerald, a sapphire, and a diamond.
19 And the third row a ligure, an agate, and an amethyst.
20 And the fourth row a beryl, and an onyx, and a jasper: they shall be set in gold in their inclosings.

(Jerusalem) is the seven hilled city, where the woman sits, not Rome as many falsely claim.

(Revelation) 17:9KJV
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

List of cities claimed to be built on seven hills - Wikipedia
Jerusalem, Israel: Jerusalem's seven hills are Mount Scopus, Mount Olivet and the Mount of Corruption (all three are peaks in a mountain ridge that lies east of the Old City), Mount Ophel, the original Mount Zion, the New Mount Zion and the hill on which the Antonia Fortress was built.

The Roman Empire didnt exist to be guilty of the Prophets blood seen below, Jerusalem did.

(Revelation) 18:24KJV
24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

(Matthew) 23:29-37KJV
29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

Sorry but you are very very very very wrong!

Let us look CAREFULLY at this whore and see why she is not Jerusalem.

Revelation 17
King James Version

17 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:

2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.

3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

5 And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth.

6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.

verse 1: Sitting upon waters is a symbol of rule over gentiles- Jerusalem was never a world empire.
2. Israel never was a religious powerhouse globally- despite what the Zionist conspiracy thoerists say.
3. Yes, she is finelay arrayed, but she never ruled the ten kings to come.
verse 5: Mystery Babylon is the MOTHER of all harlots and abominations on earth! Jerusalem did not give birth to all pagan religions. but Ancient babylon did! All major religions, even many sects of Christendom can trace some of theirt roots back to the ancinet mystery babylonian religions.
verse 6: the babylonian based pagan and pseudo Christian religions are covered far more in the blood of the saints than Jerusalem ever imagined!

Mystery Babylon is a one world super religion to come. It will combine the worst of all false systems and have reign over governments untilt eh ten rulers destroy her!

 

[Truth7t7]

Sorry but you are very very very very wrong!

Let us look CAREFULLY at this whore and see why she is not Jerusalem.

Revelation 17
King James Version

17 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:

2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.

3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

5 And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth.

6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.

verse 1: Sitting upon waters is a symbol of rule over gentiles- Jerusalem was never a world empire.
2. Israel never was a religious powerhouse globally- despite what the Zionist conspiracy thoerists say.
3. Yes, she is finelay arrayed, but she never ruled the ten kings to come.
verse 5: Mystery Babylon is the MOTHER of all harlots and abominations on earth! Jerusalem did not give birth to all pagan religions. but Ancient babylon did! All major religions, even many sects of Christendom can trace some of theirt roots back to the ancinet mystery babylonian religions.
verse 6: the babylonian based pagan and pseudo Christian religions are covered far more in the blood of the saints than Jerusalem ever imagined!

Mystery Babylon is a one world super religion to come. It will combine the worst of all false systems and have reign over governments untilt eh ten rulers destroy her!

We will disagree Ron, "the woman" represents the colors and jewels of the Levitical Priesthood, the seven mountains represent Jerusalem where the woman sits, and (The Beast) will be a literal human man ofJewish/Hebrew decent

All eyes are on Jerusalem, The Antichrist Is Up Next, To Be Revealed In Jerusalem, Taking His Seat Speaking Of Peace And Safety

 

[Marty fox]

Marty We Have Ran Around The Bush Several Times, We Will Disagree

The Bad Guy Seen In Daniel 7:8-11, Daniel 9:27,& Revelation 19:20 Is The Same Future "Human Man", And The Event Seen IsThe Future Second Coming, Final Judgement At The "Consummation"

We Will Disagree, The Horse Is Dead

But your refusing to answer the question which proves that Daniel 7 isn’t the end

 

[Truth7t7]

But your refusing to answer the question which proves that Daniel 7 isn’t the end

Daniel 7:8-11 & Daniel 9:27 "Consummation" Is The End In The Second Coming, "Final Judgement"

Marty We Have Run Around The Bush Several Times, We Will Disagree

(The Judgment Was Set, And The Books Were Opened) The End!

Daniel 7:10KJV
10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.

Revelation 20:12KJV
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

 

[Davy]

Sorry but you are very very very very wrong!

Let us look CAREFULLY at this whore and see why she is not Jerusalem.

Revelation 17
King James Version

17 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:

2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.

3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

5 And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth.

6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.

verse 1: Sitting upon waters is a symbol of rule over gentiles- Jerusalem was never a world empire.
2. Israel never was a religious powerhouse globally- despite what the Zionist conspiracy thoerists say.
3. Yes, she is finelay arrayed, but she never ruled the ten kings to come.
verse 5: Mystery Babylon is the MOTHER of all harlots and abominations on earth! Jerusalem did not give birth to all pagan religions. but Ancient babylon did! All major religions, even many sects of Christendom can trace some of theirt roots back to the ancinet mystery babylonian religions.
verse 6: the babylonian based pagan and pseudo Christian religions are covered far more in the blood of the saints than Jerusalem ever imagined!

Mystery Babylon is a one world super religion to come. It will combine the worst of all false systems and have reign over governments untilt eh ten rulers destroy her!

You are forgetting the Biblical 'future-perfect' tense in prophetic Scripture. Revelation 17 is about the time of the end, not past history. The future-perfect tense is in the sense of prophecy given that is still future, yet given as ipso facto so sure like they already happened.

For the end, the Babylon Harlot will sit over all nations and peoples, like Revelation 17:15 does reveal, as also Revelation 13:1-8 does reveal. So that's not a past history. Same idea with verse 2, she will at the end do that.

Verse 3 points back to the first beast in Revelation 13:1-2, ten horns, seven heads, and ten crowns, which is about the global one-world kingdom to come under the coming Antichrist at the end of this world. Thus she is over the ten kings, which are the ten horns of the beast kingdom per Rev.17:12-14.

In Rev.18, the Babylon Harlot remarks that she sits as a queen, am no widow, and shall see no sorrow. That means she is married to a king (but which king)? Historical Babylon represented a pagan center, a city of idolatry. The Revelation connection with this queen harlot is also as a "great city". It ties with ancient pagan Jebus too, which was what Jerusalem was called before God took it through His servant David. Christ is pointing to Jerusalem with that Babylon Harlot woman at the end of this world. You have obviously missed Bible study in Ezekiel 16 where God gives a history about Jerusalem, and ultimately calls Jerusalem a harlot because of falling into pagan idolatry against Him. And in Lamentations, Jerusalem after the king of Babylon destroyed it is said to be in widowhood. That's the 'am no widow' tie-in in Rev.18 that the harlot says about herself, meaning Jerusalem is not a widow anymore because being married... thus pointing to Jerusalem for the end as the Babylon Harlot city...

Rev 17:18
18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
KJV

 

[Marty fox]

Daniel 7:8-11 & Daniel 9:27 "Consummation" Is The End In The Second Coming, "Final Judgement"

Marty We Have Run Around The Bush Several Times, We Will Disagree

(The Judgment Was Set, And The Books Were Opened) The End!

Daniel 7:10KJV
10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.

Revelation 20:12KJV
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Okay so what is the answer for Daniel 7:12? It doesn’t fit in being the end of time

Daniel just sees the future throne room the father setting up the throne for Jesus he then sees Jesus arriving back to heaven after his time on earth

 

[Truth7t7]

Okay so what is the answer for Daniel 7:12? It doesn’t fit in being the end of time

Daniel just sees the future throne room the father setting up the throne for Jesus he then sees Jesus arriving back to heaven after his time on earth

Verse 12-14 goes back and tells the story again recap, it's not continuing after verse 10-11 in final judgement (The Books Were Opened), verse 12 and 13 is a recap, and verse 14 is the Eternal kingdom

Jesus is returning in verse 9-10 and again in verse 13, simply a recap of same events, that ends up in the eternal kingdom in verse 14

The bible is full of preludes to the story, it gives the account, and retells the story with more info

Sorta like the start of a movie that begins showing the end, then the movie is the story line getting to the end

Daniel 7:10 the final judgement, Daniel 7:11 the lake of fire, Daniel 7:14 the eternal kingdom (The End)

The book of Revelation is a prime example, parallel teachings of same events