Saved By Grace Through FAITH ...

[theefaith]

The Holy Apostolic Council was wrong about a few things - Luther corrected them.

your attacking Christ!

The holy church does not usurp Christ’s authority, the holy church establishes it throughout the whole world, and thru all time!

The holy apostles do not usurp Christ’s kingdom, the apostles administer the kingdom for Christ who ascended to heaven!

Ephesians 3:21
Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.

Ephesians 5:24
Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ...

Christ and His church are one, what Christ did the church continues to do, the church is an extension of Christ!
To attack the church is to attack Christ!
Acts 9:4

What authority does Christ have?
What power does Christ have?
What mission / ministry does Christ have?

Peter, the apostles and their successors have the same authority, power, and mission! Jn 20:21 as my father sent me, even so send I you!

The apostles are Christ’s successors!
They have authority to send others as well, apostle means one who is sent!

 

[theefaith]

Why are you challenging Jesus and Paul???

Ephesians 2:8-10
King James Version

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

You are not saved by works or kept saved by works.

John 3:16-18
King James Version

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.



The good works we are called to do are the result and an evidence of our already being saved, not something to make us saved or keep us saved! That is another gospel.

neither
Salvation does start until death matt 24:13

 

[Ronald Nolette]

neither
Salvation does start until death matt 24:13

YOu should learn to read better!

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; NOT will be!
Colossians 1:13
Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: Not will in some future date!

phesians 2:6
And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

Present tense not future. do you believe God doesn't know how to speak???????

 

[theefaith]

YOu should learn to read better!

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; NOT will be!
Colossians 1:13
Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: Not will in some future date!

phesians 2:6
And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

Present tense not future. do you believe God doesn't know how to speak???????

We are members of Christ and his church
In grace

Redemption, Justification, Sanctification, and Salvation!

Redemption: 100 percent the work of God, thru the life, death, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus Christ! All mankind are redeemed in Christ! Eph 2
Galatians 2:16 3:13
Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law...
Christ alone accomplished the redemption of mankind apart from any works on our part!

Justification: our acceptance of redemption thru faith and baptism! Become a disciple and member of Christ and His Church! Jn 3:5 acts 2:38 Mk 16:16 He who believes and is baptized shall be saved. 1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.


Sanctification: the life of grace in the holy sacrifice of the mass and sacraments, prayer, virture, and good works, the just living by faith, and faith working thru love! Phil 1:29 called to suffer with Christ.
All done in Christ thru His grace! Jn 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Salvation: a christian in the state if grace at the moment of death we enter into the salvation of the Lord! Mt 24:44-47 faithful servant! Jn 15:1-5 abide in me. Mt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Heb 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
Heb 6:11 And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end:
Heb 4:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
Rom 13:11 ...for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

Suffering required for glorification with Christ!

Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

 

[Eternally Grateful]

so where and what is this original started by Christ?

You find it in acts, and all through the NT.

pit is a spiritual body not a physical one, and it is one who holds to the traditions and truths of the word without out needing things outside the word to determin who it is. Because the true body of Christ holds to what the word says, not what men say the word says, ,


god knows where it is, that’s all that matters

 

[Eternally Grateful]

why does it always have to be an opposition to you
You always oppose the church


The holy church does not usurp Christ’s authority, the holy church establishes it throughout the whole world, and thru all time!

The holy apostles do not usurp Christ’s kingdom, the apostles administer the kingdom for Christ who ascended to heaven!

Ephesians 3:21
Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.

Ephesians 5:24
Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ...

Christ and His church are one, what Christ did the church continues to do, the church is an extension of Christ!
To attack the church is to attack Christ!
Acts 9:4

What authority does Christ have?
What power does Christ have?
What mission / ministry does Christ have?

Peter, the apostles and their successors have the same authority, power, and mission! Jn 20:21 as my father sent me, even so send I you!

The apostles are Christ’s successors!
They have authority to send others as well, apostle means one who is sent!

What does man have to do with it?
The church is founded by Christ Matt 16:18

I appose a church that calls itself the church. Not the church.

apostles were sent by God, they were not his successors. And the apostles of the Roman Catholic Church do not even hold to the doctrines of the apostles, if you would study the word and not just listen to what you are told you would see this.

your church is really no more a church than the Jewish church was. In fact they make the same excuses and arguments,

can a Catholic be saved? Yeah. Anyone can be saved if they obey the gospel.

can a Catholic be saved following Catholic doctrine? That’s a whole other debate

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

your attacking Christ!

The holy church does not usurp Christ’s authority, the holy church establishes it throughout the whole world, and thru all time!

The holy apostles do not usurp Christ’s kingdom, the apostles administer the kingdom for Christ who ascended to heaven!

Christ's own words tell us we are saved by faith!

The HOLY COUNSEL of GOD on the subject of Salvation trumps every counsel of man who has come together!

For those of you who like KJV only:

Ephesians 2:8, 9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Acts 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

Hebrews 10:39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

Luke 7:50 And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.

Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

1 John 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

Romans 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

John 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

John 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

Hebrews 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

Mark 2:5 When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sick of the palsy, Son, thy sins be forgiven thee.

Luke 5:20 And when he saw their faith, he said unto him, Man, thy sins are forgiven thee.

Acts 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

2 Thessalonians 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

1 Timothy 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

1 Peter 1:9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.

John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

Luke 8:12 Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.

Romans 9:32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumbling stone;

Romans 4:14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:


Comment: If you believe that Jesus died for your sins and rose on the third day according to the scriptures, you will be saved!

 

[theefaith]

You find it in acts, and all through the NT.

pit is a spiritual body not a physical one, and it is one who holds to the traditions and truths of the word without out needing things outside the word to determin who it is. Because the true body of Christ holds to what the word says, not what men say the word says, ,


god knows where it is, that’s all that matters

the body of Christ is spiritual?
that makes logical sense to you?
A body is physical

Only the one true church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles and their successors and those members of Christ by faith and baptism United with them, the communion of the saints
Jn 16:10 matt 16:18 18:18 Jn 20:21-23
Jn 10:16

Ephesians 5:32
This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church

Matt 5:14
Ye (the apostles/ the church) are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
(There is only one church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles and their successors!) matt 16:18 Jn 10:16 eph 2:20

 

[CharismaticLady]

I find these two statements by Luther to be contradictory. I agree with the first, but not the second.

"We are not made righteous by doing righteous deeds; but when we have been made righteous we do righteous deeds." LUTHER

"No sin can separate us from Him, even if we were to kill or commit adultery thousands of times each day." LUTHER

According to the first statement, is the second statement even about a Christian???

 

[theefaith]

Christ's own words tell us we are saved by faith!

The HOLY COUNSEL of GOD on the subject of Salvation trumps every counsel of man who has come together!

For those of you who like KJV only:

Ephesians 2:8, 9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Acts 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

Hebrews 10:39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

Luke 7:50 And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.

Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

1 John 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

Romans 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

John 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

John 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

Hebrews 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

Mark 2:5 When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sick of the palsy, Son, thy sins be forgiven thee.

Luke 5:20 And when he saw their faith, he said unto him, Man, thy sins are forgiven thee.

Acts 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

2 Thessalonians 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

1 Timothy 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

1 Peter 1:9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.

John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

Luke 8:12 Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.

Romans 9:32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumbling stone;

Romans 4:14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:


Comment: If you believe that Jesus died for your sins and rose on the third day according to the scriptures, you will be saved!

refers to redemption not justification

 

[CharismaticLady]

refers to redemption not justification

Hi theefaith, What do you believe we are redeemed from?

 

[theefaith]

Hi theefaith, What do you believe we are redeemed from?

the fall of Adam

 

[theefaith]

Gen 3:15

1st promise of redemption

 

[CharismaticLady]

the fall of Adam

What does Jesus do in us that achieves that?

 

[CharismaticLady]

the fall of Adam

What does Jesus do in us that achieves that?

Do you know????

 

[theefaith]

What does Jesus do in us that achieves that?

baptism into the new covenant church and into a state of sanctifying grace thru the merits of His passion and blood and death

 

[CharismaticLady]

baptism into the new covenant church and into a state of sanctifying grace thru the merits of His passion and blood and death

Yes, but that doesn't have to do with Adam. What about Adam did Jesus redeem us from?

 

[theefaith]

Yes, but that doesn't have to do with Adam. What about Adam did Jesus redeem us from?

Original sin

 

[CharismaticLady]

Original sin

Correct. So now with that in mind, what has Jesus redeemed us from? John 8:32-36

 

[theefaith]

Correct. So now with that in mind, what has Jesus redeemed us from? John 8:32-36

Sin