new version of OSAS?

[Ferris Bueller]

Some chapter and verse for this stuff would be nice...

Apparently, you misunderstand. I was reading your argument back to you. Why is teaching legalism the only sin that super-duper abounding grace can't cover? Is grace not quite as super abounding as you have been claiming it is? I mean, you can go back to unbelief and deny Christ and super abounding grace covers it and you stay saved, but if you dare teach that works earn salvation super abounding grace can't cover that?

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Why don’t you know this.....the Two Commands are “ Believe and Love”—— I “DO” those two things.....surely, you don’t think we are under the Commandments Of Moses

"Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness." 1 John 3:4​

You see, BB, the two greatest commands are the summation of the law, not the replacement for the law. You still have to keep the law (the parts that remain to be kept), it's just that now in this New Covenant the motivation for keeping the law comes from love for God/ love for others. When you love God/ love others you don't murder, you don't steal, you don't get drunk, etc.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Flirting with Moses is cheating on Jesus”—— I don’t expect you Legalists to understand that....with all due respect, when it comes to the deeper things of Faith, most Religionists are “ dim bulbs” .....sorry if the truth hurts.

Like I've been saying all along, you don't know the definition of a legalist. A legalist is not someone who upholds the law of Moses. A legalist is someone who keeps the law of Moses with the express intent of being justified by keeping the law. Faith upholds the law of Moses, so we know upholding the law of Moses is not the definition of a legalist.

"Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Certainly not! Instead, we uphold the law." Romans 3:31
​

So, as you can see, I'm not the dim bulb here.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

YOU are the one that “ holds back” the Grace of God.....you say it does not cover “Willful Sins”

It doesn't cover UNBELIEF. Living in willful sin is nothing more than a rejection of Christ in unbelief. That's why grace doesn't cover the person who goes back to his life of willful sin. Grace only belongs to believers, not unbelievers.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

you demand that people “ merit” something thst by definition can never be Merited.

No, we don't obey in order to merit grace. We obey in order to live a life worthy of the grace we have received.

" I urge you to walk in a manner worthy of the calling you have received" Ephesians 4:1​

 

[Ferris Bueller]

If you were ever a Believer for one second , the Holy Spirit was behind it , and you obtained the eligibility and you qualified as one who has “ passed from Death unto Life” —- Jesus promised that you “ ALREADY” have Eternal Life and shall “ NEVER come under Condemnation”

And, as I've pointed out many times, that promise is for believing people, not unbelievers. Only believers have eternal life and will never come into condemnation. If you go back to unbelief you are no longer among the people to whom that promise applies. Christ has no obligation to keep a promise to an unbeliever that He made to believers. He is totally committed to the believing person, even in their weakness. Not the unbeliever.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

When Jesus says something, “ it’s forever settled in Heaven” .......good luck trying to dismantle a Promise Of Jesus.

Going back to unbelief doesn't dismantle a promise of Jesus'. It removes you from those to whom the promise was made. The promise remains steady and sure, but you're just not included in it anymore if you go back to unbelief. That's why the Bible tells us to keep believing.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Apparently, you misunderstand. I was reading your argument back to you. Why is teaching legalism the only sin that super-duper abounding grace can't cover? Is grace not quite as super abounding as you have been claiming it is? I mean, you can go back to unbelief and deny Christ and super abounding grace covers it and you stay saved, but if you dare teach that works earn salvation super abounding grace can't cover that?

Again...Take it up with Paul—— HE is the one that said if Anybody came along and Preached any “ Gospel “ that differed with his , be “ ACCURSED”...... that means damned.....once again, I see what you are saying and I understand it .....nevertheless , just like when he said , “all things are Lawful to me” .....the man SAID it......I’m just passing it on.....

 

[amigo de christo]

Like I've been saying all along, you don't know the definition of a legalist. A legalist is not someone who upholds the law of Moses. A legalist is someone who keeps the law of Moses with the express intent of being justified by keeping the law. Faith upholds the law of Moses, so we know upholding the law of Moses is not the definition of a legalist.

"Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Certainly not! Instead, we uphold the law." Romans 3:31
​

So, as you can see, I'm not the dim bulb here.

You realize you are debating with a man , BB , whom i personally witnessed calling the law DUNG .
DO you realize how blasphemous that is . He dont . The law was NOT FROM THE MIND OF MOSES , GOD GAVE IT .
Most folks dont even know what a legalist truly is . Instead if we do as did paul and others
and warn against sin , and warn and remind that we must continue in Christ , they call THAT LEGALISM .
SO that just made JESUS and the apostles ALL legalists . Talk about a delusion .

 

[marks]

Going back to unbelief doesn't dismantle a promise of Jesus'. It removes you from those to whom the promise was made.

Right!

And when the promise was made to you? What then?

You seem to not have a good grasp of what God has promised, and to whom.

For instance,

Colossians 3:1-4 KJV
1) If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
2) Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
3) For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
4) When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

The one who has been raised with Christ, having died with Him, WILL appear with Jesus in glory. It seems you do not think this is true.
But it is, as all of God's Word is True.

Much love!

 

[marks]

If you go back to unbelief you are no longer among the people to whom that promise applies.

Yes, you are not seeming to believe God's promises.

For instance,

1 John 3:1-3 KJV
1) Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2) Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3) And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

Those who are NOW children of God, WILL be like Him then, seeing Him as He is.

If you are now, you will be then, God's promise. This is the True Word of God.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Christ has no obligation to keep a promise to an unbeliever that He made to believers. He is totally committed to the believing person, even in their weakness. Not the unbeliever.

Here is God's commitment to His children . . .

Philippians 3:17-21 KJV
17) Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.
18) (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:
19) Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)
20) For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:
21) Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

God's promise to His children. We who live with Him NOW in heaven, for us, He SHALL change our bodies to be like Jesus' body.

These are all clear and certain statements.

Accept them, reject them, twist them whatever, but there it is.

Much love!

 

[amigo de christo]

It doesn't cover UNBELIEF. Living in willful sin is nothing more than a rejection of Christ in unbelief. That's why grace doesn't cover the person who goes back to his life of willful sin. Grace only belongs to believers, not unbelievers.

As paul even wrote , Dont you know whom ye obey HIS SERVANT YOU ARE to WHOM YOU OBEY .
whether of sin unto death or of OBEDIANCE unto Righteous . They dont want to see this my friend .
And worse now the new version actually teaches total blasphemy and says even if we dont keep believing .
JESUS said if a man continues not in me , HE is cast out . Them apostles also warned
With many IFS . IF YOU CONTINE GROUNDED AND SETTLED IN THE FAITH and BE NOT MOVED AWAY .
BB does not want to see this . And thus he is teaching serious blasphemy now . Even bold enough to call the law of GOD DUNG .
Blasphemy . EVEN PAUL SAID IT WAS HOLY JUST AND GOOD . But we cant justify ourselves by the law . NO MAN CAN .
BUT STILL it is HOLY JUST AND GOOD . BB is in the upmost grave danger now . He is getting worse .
I NEVER used to hear him say YOU can even stop beleiving . I bet he is getting ready for this new all inclusive love gospel
that will unite all faiths , all religoins as one . I , we , and all must pray for BB .
I feel sad for him . But beware , because many men , and i could too and once did , can preach the actual gospel
and yet be lost in sin and walking on another road all together . I ONCE DID THIS , I KNOW what i speak .
We must double down prayers for BB . My desire is only good for him . BUT he is in dire grave danger .

 

[amigo de christo]

Right!

And when the promise was made to you? What then?

You seem to not have a good grasp of what God has promised, and to whom.

For instance,

Colossians 3:1-4 KJV
1) If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
2) Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
3) For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
4) When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

The one who has been raised with Christ, having died with Him, WILL appear with Jesus in glory. It seems you do not think this is true.
But it is, as all of God's Word is True.

Much love!

The one who has been raised with Christ , having died with HIM , WOULD BE HEARERS and DOERS and would take
every warning and every promise as Truth . How often paul even reminded the church
IF , IF ye continue , grounded and settled and dont be moved away . YET BB SAYS WE CAN STOP BELEIVING .
YA GOTTA CORRECT that man . OR you are destroying your own witness .

 

[amigo de christo]

Here is God's commitment to His children . . .

Philippians 3:17-21 KJV
17) Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.
18) (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:
19) Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)
20) For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:
21) Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

God's promise to His children. We who live with Him NOW in heaven, for us, He SHALL change our bodies to be like Jesus' body.

These are all clear and certain statements.

Accept them, reject them, twist them whatever, but there it is.

Much love!

Accept them as total truth . FOR TRUE IT IS . AND SO IS THIS , IF you continue and dont be moved away from the HOPE OF THE GOSPEL .
BB is wrong my friend . You need to correct him .

 

[Cooper]

Again...Take it up with Paul—— HE is the one that said if Anybody came along and Preached any “ Gospel “ that differed with his , be “ ACCURSED”...... that means damned.....once again, I see what you are saying and I understand it .....nevertheless , just like when he said , “all things are Lawful to me” .....the man SAID it......I’m just passing it on.....

I am quoting your post. I do not agree with it. Please do not hold me to what you said.

Paul was quoting Plato. He did not agree with it. Please do not hold Paul to what Plato said.
.

 

[marks]

Accept them as total truth . FOR TRUE IT IS . AND SO IS THIS , IF you continue

Except your "IF" does not appear in the promise. The promise is to His children, and it is sure. Believe it!

Does it say . . .

"Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, if we continue in our faith, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is."

No! It does not!

We are now sons of God, and when we see Him, we SHALL be like Him. Such a wonderful promise!!

Much love!

 

[marks]

The one who has been raised with Christ , having died with HIM , WOULD BE HEARERS and DOERS and would take
every warning and every promise as Truth . How often paul even reminded the church
IF , IF ye continue , grounded and settled and dont be moved away . YET BB SAYS WE CAN STOP BELEIVING .
YA GOTTA CORRECT that man . OR you are destroying your own witness .

The point @Blood Bought 1953 is making is that salvation and rebirth are what I'd call transactional, as oppose to conditional, which is to say that rebirth is forever, not something doled out moment by moment based on your current state of mind.

If you've died and been raised with Him, then that is something that actually happened to you. And if that has happened to you, then you will, as an absolute matter of fact, you WILL appear with Jesus in glory when He is revealed. You WILL be revealed WITH HIM.

You will! Regardless of what your state of mind is today or a year from now.

That is the nature of a promise. God has committed Himself to us to see to it that these things remain just as true as when He said them.

Much love!

 

[amigo de christo]

Except your "IF" does not appear in the promise. The promise is to His children, and it is sure. Believe it!

Does it say . . .

"Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, if we continue in our faith, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is."

No! It does not!

We are now sons of God, and when we see Him, we SHALL be like Him. Such a wonderful promise!!

Much love!

This is called taking one meaning to imply that something else written in another place , does not count .
WE gotta learn the entire of what is written . Their are other places where these other reminders were given as well .
We cant just take one verse and use that to justify a belief that man taught .
So let me leave us with JESUS own words . Be FAITHFUL UNTO DEATH and i shall give you a crown of LIFE .
But he who endures unto THE END the same shall be saved . WE cant take those reminders and make them void
just cause we follow an acroynm . Folks have made a golden calf out of an acroynm . KISS THE SON , not the calf .
THUS heed HIS reminders , HEED His words and all the words of the apostels . KISS not the acroynm
KISS THE ONE WHO IS ABLE TO KEEP US FROM FALLING . YEAH i say , KISS HIM .

 

[marks]

You realize you are debating with a man , BB , whom i personally witnessed calling the law DUNG .
DO you realize how blasphemous that is . He dont . The law was NOT FROM THE MIND OF MOSES , GOD GAVE IT .
Most folks dont even know what a legalist truly is . Instead if we do as did paul and others
and warn against sin , and warn and remind that we must continue in Christ , they call THAT LEGALISM .
SO that just made JESUS and the apostles ALL legalists . Talk about a delusion .

Philippians 3:4-11 KJV
4) Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:
5) Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;
6) Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.
7) But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.
8) Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
9) And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
10) That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
11) If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

Much love!