You can come sit by me at my beautiful lake... and bring froggy with you. You are one I have missed.
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Ferris Bueller
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No, lol, you're trying to portray the 'repentance' argument that you are resisting as a sinless perfection argument. No one is saying 'repentance' means you can't be sinning when Jesus comes back, or else you're going to hell. Stop twisting the argument that way. What you can not be doing when Jesus comes back is purposely living in sin away from the grace of God in unbelief. You can not reject God's grace and have it at the same time.
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Oh, BB, what a sorry argument, lol. You make grace a license to sin when you say sin is lawful for you to do because of grace. You are literally making the 'grace is a license to sin' argument. Grace does not make adultery, for example, legal for the Christian. Grace is not a license to sin lawfully.
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Ferris Bueller
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Temptation is not sin. If it is, Jesus was the sinner the rest of us are. Purposely entertaining temptations, even seeking them out? Now that's sin. That's what this is about. Are you purposely sinning that way? I'm resisting and struggling against sin, not purposely doing it. If I was purposely doing it I would be showing myself to not be born again. That's what John said, not me. So, are you purposely sinning?
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Oh my gosh, BB. You really don't read the Bible for yourself, lol.
Do we have to visit all those scriptures again that tell us love for God expressed in love for others is the sign that you are born again and will enter into the kingdom at the end of the age?
I can't see what the other person is writing...but seen this side and thought I'd add..
Romans 6:16
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Not that it has anything to do with my Salvation , But once again you have no idea what you are talking about.....you “ ASSume” waaaaayyyy too much—- as the world measures these things , I am actually very obedient.....We only have TWO commands, this side of the Cross. Why don’t you know this.....the Two Commands are “ Believe and Love”—— I “DO” those two things.....surely, you don’t think we are under the Commandments Of Moses—— “ Flirting with Moses is cheating on Jesus”—— I don’t expect you Legalists to understand that....with all due respect, when it comes to the deeper things of Faith, most Religionists are “ dim bulbs” .....sorry if the truth hurts...
You are the “Grace Rejector”—- Grace does not exist in your world unless you can show that you don’t need it....you demand that people “ merit” something thst by definition can never be Merited....YOU are the one that “ holds back” the Grace of God.....you say it does not cover “Willful Sins” ....If it doesn’t .....you , me and the entire world are without hope....most of your sins are “ willful” and even though that is terrible , the Blood Of Jesus has got them covered...
If you were ever a Believer for one second , the Holy Spirit was behind it , and you obtained the eligibility and you qualified as one who has “ passed from Death unto Life” —- Jesus promised that you “ ALREADY” have Eternal Life and shall “ NEVER come under Condemnation”
When Jesus says something, “ it’s forever settled in Heaven” .......good luck trying to dismantle a Promise Of Jesus....despite the fact that a “ Scoundrel” might slip through the cracks.....if you were closer to God, you would know that we are all “ Scoundrels”.....isn't Grace Amazing ?
“All things are Lawful for me....” Paul said it.....take it up with him....I don’t understand it either....lol....but he said it....
You can not reject God's grace and have it at the same time.
If this is true....you are in trouble....YOU reject the entire Gospel Of Grace, because you simply refuse to Believe that “ Jesus died for your Sins”.......YOU Pervert the Gospel Of Grace Plus Nothing when you ADD to the Gospel with your claim that , “ Yeah , Jesus died for my sins, BUT He did not die for the ones that I did on Purpose “....You teach a “ deserved Grace” .....it Grace is deserved—— it ain’t Grace....you fail to understand it....
You think that if “ Grace” is what BB claims it is.....the Whole World will just go Nuts! Everybody will go out and Sin up a Storm .....you can’t “perceive” of Grace as being anything other than an excuse to Sin....perhaps that is because of what “ you” and the other Legalists would do—- that fact shows more about the hearts of Legalists than it does anything else.....what you guys don’t “ get” is that Grace is not an excuse to Sin....it is the CURE for Sin.....knowing that Grace covers my sins makes me want to sin LESS ....Not MORE.....you have to live it to understand it....sorry....
If this is true....you are in trouble....YOU reject the entire Gospel Of Grace, because you simply refuse to Believe that “ Jesus died for your Sins”.......YOU Pervert the Gospel Of Grace Plus Nothing when you ADD to the Gospel with your claim that , “ Yeah , Jesus died for my sins, BUT He did not die for the ones that I did on Purpose “....You teach a “ deserved Grace” .....it Grace is deserved—— it ain’t Grace....you fail to understand it....
You think that if “ Grace” is what BB claims it is.....the Whole World will just go Nuts! Everybody will go out and Sin up a Storm .....you can’t “perceive” of Grace as being anything other than an excuse to Sin....perhaps that is because of what “ you” and the other Legalists would do—- that fact shows more about the hearts of Legalists than it does anything else.....what you guys don’t “ get” is that Grace is not an excuse to Sin....it is the CURE for Sin.....knowing that Grace covers my sins makes me want to sin LESS ....Not MORE.....you have to live it to understand it....sorry....
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Nice to have you back ! It’s like a breath of fresh air...
Don’t be a stranger here....all of your posts are valuable....” If God Be for us —- who can be against us ?”
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Paul was quoting Plato. The people of Corinth used Plato's saying to justify their own wickedness. Naturally Paul taught otherwise. Remember, we are known by our fruit, stop and think what it says about us if we return to the things of the world and remember there is no second crucifixion.
Please do not encourage licentiousness, we need to rise above the things of the world, and then, and only then, shall we be living under grace. (Search licentiousness.)
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YEP.... and YEP.... Somehow... the promise of HIS FINISHED WORK seems to offend so many... and I can't figure out why... OUTRAGEOUS GRACE.... GRACE that is ALL about HIM... ALL from HIM.... ALL because of HIM... GRACE that saves the most wretched of sinners and invites the sick and dirty to FEAST at the BANQUET TABLE.... GRACE that COVERS ALL SIN.... It is a CRIME that this AMAZING GIFT gets insulted and mocked by those who THINK they have any part in "helping" and "adding to" the BLOOD of CHRIST.
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Then feast at the Banqueting Table in the presence of the Lord instead of participating in the pleasures of the world.
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Well... if you will notice... my comment was a DIRECT one to Blood Bought... I am sorry that you found the 2nd post I have made in over a month to be so offensive. I have learned in my time absent from the forums... that it really does NOT matter what people have to say... I am choosing who to communicate and NOT communicate with. You are free to ignore my comments if you FEEL they are satanic. I will not be responding to you again. This comment was FREE... LOL
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Ferris Bueller
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You don't understand it because it's not Paul's argument, it's the Corinthians' argument. They were using it to rationalize living in sin, the same way 'Super-duper Grace' theology uses it. Unlawful things don't now become lawful just because those things can be forgiven. That would be making grace a license to do those things. Adultery is still unlawful. Stealing is still unlawful. Grace doesn't make those things lawful now. Sin is still sin, and it's still transgression of the law....
"Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness." 1 John 3:4
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