Wrangler
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What verse did Benjamin cite to back his claim?
2 Corinthians 3:17
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What verse did Benjamin cite to back his claim?
There are no hooks here to infer that Christ was also present, 'living' before he was born. Why add that in when the scripture I quoted says nothing of the sort. If you can find scripture that does say what you believe then I have not seen it yet.
The verses you quote is a consequence of God's Judgment on Israel.
FYI the current topic we are discussing on this thread is about government and NOT the judgment on Israel as you have falsely interpreted Jeremiah 27 to be
Romans 13 is NOT about obeying earthly governments. There are verses about obeying them, but Romans 13 is about obeying God's government, which involves following his called and chosen ministers.Christians I come across in general tend to use the scripture of Paul in Romans 13 that we must obey Government in regards to our churches being closed and being locked up at home in lockdowns and taking these vaccines etc.
My question is what will those of you who hold to this doctrine as truth do when ALL NATIONS command that we worship satan and take his mark?
Well, I believe that we are supposed to obey government laws unless those laws violate God's laws.
I believe abortion violates God's laws. What should a Christian do, if anything, to shut down abortion clinics?
Christians I come across in general tend to use the scripture of Paul in Romans 13 that we must obey Government in regards to our churches being closed and being locked up at home in lockdowns and taking these vaccines etc.
My question is what will those of you who hold to this doctrine as truth do when ALL NATIONS command that we worship satan and take his mark?
2 Corinthians 3:17
we can see from the various replies here that a percentage are positioned to be snitches when and if a time comes where Government policy conflicts with God's Commandments.
Another verse that supports Franklin's quip is Jesus' famous 'give unto Caesar what is Caesar's' because our liberty is God given and us abdicating what God gave us is not a burden we will suffer.
Romans 13 is NOT about obeying earthly governments. There are verses about obeying them, but Romans 13 is about obeying God's government, which involves following his called and chosen ministers.
Not Caesar. Not a the king and not the President or Prime Minister of a country.
God's governance ie, his character, what he is like and how his reality operates is questioned by the opposition, even warred against. We see this revealed in Jesus' life circumstances.Can you elaborate?
to add, God will direct our path too and also speaks to us through the Holy SpiritI would say it means to obey the government but in the end to put God above everything else
I'm sorry, I don't believe this verse is calling on the followers of Christ to rebel against government.
Well, he said quite a bit. On gov't he spoke about paying taxes, true. And as I said there are other verses about obeying gov't. My point is that Romans 13 isn't one of them.That's an interesting take and you may be correct. However, what did Jesus say?
I looked at a few other versions and while some of the do mention "governing authorities", I see nothing that indicates its a political government. The question is does a Church have a government? The answer is yes, and it was defined and set up by Paul. It may be a far cry from what most Churches have today, but I believe that is what is being discussed in this particular chapter. Since I auspect you will be asking, the gov't of the Church is defined in 1 Cor 12:28 and Eph 4:11.You are twisting clear scripture to mean something it does not. It states right in several bible versions, the scripture it is referring to Government.