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[Michiah-Imla]

In the Greek, this speaks of ongoing habitual sin, not personal sins

That’s not true.

"And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life." (Revelation 21:27)

 

[Grailhunter]

whoever keeps the whole law yet STUMBlES in one point, is guilty

Are you a Jew?

man likes to water down gods standard and claim they are good

The children of God are good and you can tell them by their deeds. As Paul said we are saints...now the Hebrew phrase of saints is holy ones. That is why in some translations the saint appears in the Old Testament.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

if we could not sin first John 1: 9 is meaningless

That scripture is perverted a lot by scripture perverters.

 

[Grailhunter]

They who still have sins have not been born again.

Wrong again. You have the scripture right in your post. Bible confusing to you?

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Bible confusing to you?

No. I comprehend it quite well.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

That’s not true.

"And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life." (Revelation 21:27)

Yep

and it’s not he who stops,sinning, but he who believes that is not condemned

again, you have John confused as he can’t make up his mind

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Are you a Jew?

What their standard is higher than yours?

 

[Grailhunter]

No. I comprehend it quite well.

You sure do seem to be confused.
You are going to sin...your job is to keep to a minimum.
Is it to much for Christ to ask for us to learn from our mistakes? No, of course not.
Whatever understanding that you are getting from the scriptures that God expects us to be perfect...you are wrong.
Whatever understanding that you are getting from the scriptures that we can be perfect...you are wrong.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

That scripture is perverted a lot by scripture perverters.

It’s self explanatory,

just take it at its word

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The children of God are good and you can tell them by their deeds. As Paul said we are saints...now the Hebrew phrase of saints is holy ones. That is why in some translations the saint appears in the Old Testament.

gods standard is still perfection

I am set apart by God, not because of my goodness

 

[Michiah-Imla]

and it’s not he who stops,sinning

You are saying that the things described in the following verse are not sins:

"And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life." (Revelation 21:27)

“abomination” is sin along with everything else mentioned therein.

AND THEY WHO DO THEM WILL NOT ENTER THE HOLY CITY.

PERIOD.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You are saying that the things described in the following verse are not sins:

"And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life." (Revelation 21:27)

“abomination” is sin along with everything else mentioned therein.

AND THEY WHO DO THEM WILL NOT ENTER THE HOLY CITY.

PERIOD.

yep

those who continue in sin will not enter the kingdom

dude, your self righteousness will be rejected by God, just saying

 

[Michiah-Imla]

You sure do seem to be confused.

Your judgment of me is erroneous.

You are going to sin...your job is to keep to a minimum.

There is no scripture that teaches this.

 

[Grailhunter]

What their standard is higher than yours?

We are not Jews...the 613 Mosaic Laws on one hand are inferiors to Christ's teachings and on the other it was the Mosaic Law that stated if you break one you break them all....not Christ's teachings. Christ freed us from the Mosaic Law. If you look to the Law for justification you are severed from Christ and have fallen from Grace...If you have a love for the Mosaic Law, it is best that you just to convert to Judaism. You cannot be in two covenants at once. Christ warned of this when He said that you do not put new wine in old wine skins because the skins will burst and ruin both...same thing about the new patch on old cloth.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

your self righteousness will be rejected by God, just saying

You have no scripture that supports your position. And your only response is to call me “self righteous”.

What do you suppose “self UNrighteousness” will get you?

 

[Grailhunter]

Your judgment of me is erroneous.

You are going to sin...your job is to keep to a minimum.
There is no scripture that teaches this.

So what do you think is the alternative?

 

[Michiah-Imla]

So what do you think is the alternative?

You must obey righteousness. There is no alternative if salvation is a desired thing to be realized.

"Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof." (Romans 6:12)

 

[Grailhunter]

gods standard is still perfection

I am set apart by God, not because of my goodness

No one is saved by goodness. Oh my gosh! How many times does this need to be said!
But sin and sin some more is not the way of Christ, the Apostles, or Christianity as a whole.
Those that believe so, play Christ for fool...He is no fool and will judge you accordingly because He knows your heart.

 

[Grailhunter]

You must obey righteousness. There is no alternative if salvation is a desired thing to be realized.

"Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof." (Romans 6:12)

I agree that it is a goal....but also be sure that you will sin and I will sin.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

I will sin.

"…if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins" (Hebrews 10:26)

In other words; don’t come back running to me again after I saved you once already!

Depart from me, ye who work iniquity!

"I WILL profess unto them… depart from me, ye that work iniquity." (Matthew 7:23)