new version of OSAS?

[BloodBought 1953]

Do you think you are perfect?

Nobody is perfect. Believe in the Gospel Of 1Cor15:1-4, and God will “ impute” you with the Perfection Of His Son.....
“ Abraham BELIEVED God, and God “ COUNTED” it as “ Righteousness”—— That is the ONLY type of “ perfection” that any human being will EVER know—-an Imputed one. Do you Believe what God said about His Son? If you do.....you are “ IN”......Saved Forever!

 

[Grailhunter]

Nobody is perfect.

This I agree with you. And as I said I am dealing with two extremes here. Those that believe that you have to be perfect to be saved and those that believe you can live a sinful life...a sinful lifestyle and go to heaven.

Do you Believe what God said about His Son? If you do.....you are “ IN”......Saved Forever!

No accepting Christ and salvation are the beginning of the journey. Remember....workout your salvation with fear and trembling.
If being saved meant a ticket to heaven there would be no need for Judgment Day. I have already quoted all the scriptures that explain that in the end you will be judged by your deeds. Christ is not going to be judged on how well He saved us. The warning on sinning are throughout the New Testament. Christ and the Apostles set no example or standard for continual sin and reward of heaven.

 

[Tong2020]

I do not think that anything the Bible says is going to matter to you.

God’s words do matter to me and that a lot than what you think. One truth the Bible says is that Jesus, him who was born of the virgin Mary, is the Christ, the Lord, the SAVIOR. And that sure matters to me. The apostles believed and are witness to that. And I believed that as well. Another is that the Bible says of them, that were created by God in Christ Jesus, who are saved by grace. And that they will go to heaven, and not to hell.

Now, you say that there will be some of those who are created by God in Christ to be going to hell. But the bible does not say that, not one of those passages you quoted. And since what God’s words in the Bible is what matters to me, I believe what the bible says and not what you say, at least regarding that.

Tong
R3589

 

[BloodBought 1953]

I know I am.

"For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified." (Hebrews 10:14)

So I must not ruined the perfection Christ’s atonement has given me by returning willfully to sin: because:

"Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?" (Hebrews 10:29)

Another false “ take” on Hebrews 10 .....the Stiff-Necked man pays a high price by taking a verse out of context....and then having to distort 99% of the remainder of the Bible so that it satisfies one misunderstood verse....Nine chapters in the Book Of Hebrews come before the Tenth one... try reading them to understand what is being discussed......The “ willful” sin is the rejection of the Blood Of Christ in favor of the Blood Of animals......Jesus is the “ One Time” Sacrifice for Sins —- deny the efficacy of His Blood and you are left empty - handed.....there is No Longer any other Sacrifice to take away Sins....the Jewish Crowd in Hebrews was given a choice—- go with Jesus or go with the Temple Sacrifice System ....choose the latter and find out that those Old Testament ways of dealing with sins , this side of the Cross, are now worthless.... there is now, “ No more Sacrifice for sin” —— it’s Jesus or Nothing....

 

[Cooper]

That sounds like a yes answer to my question.

And with that, it would be nice to ponder what truth a yes answer to that shouts out about the salvation of God of those whom He created in Christ Jesus. For what it means to thank God by one who keeps believing speaks out that God is Him who keeps Him.

Tong
R3584

Jesus is my constant friend and companion.
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[Tong2020]

Tong2020 said: ↑
If you want to go to heaven, repent unto God and towards faith in Jesus Christ. Jesus is the way, the truth, the life, the resurrection. There is no other way and name through which that man is saved, but Jesus Christ.

Well you know since I am a Christian and you are Christian...that is the beginning. Then you have your whole life ahead of you.
In the end...when you are standing before Christ, how good He did on your salvation is not being judged....guess what...all scriptures say you will be judged on your deeds....and if your deeds were sinful...pack the barbeque sauce cause you are going to need it. As Christ said gnashing of teeth....I am thinking it is like screaming in agony. Beee Goood.

Philippians 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

Big on the work...Ahhhh!

For me at least, Jesus Christ is the beginning and the end with regards my salvation.

If there be any judgment that I would face, Jesus is my advocate ~ He is my Savior, not only yesterday, not only today, not only tomorrow, but until forever.

And what you seem to say there about the gnashing of teeth, don’t scare me a bit. I find peace and rest in the Lord, my Savior, Jesus Christ.

Be good (if one knows what that means).

Tong
R3590

 

[Cooper]

So.....ACCORDING to YOU......Grace is Grace when you prove you don’t need it....Your “Grace “ is there if you earn it by meritorious living.....Grace is “ Unmerited Favor”..... If you “ Merit” it or “ deserve” it....it’s no longer Grace.

How dangerous it is To Reject the Only Thing That ever Saved anyone that was ever Saved.....” by “GRACE” you are Saved.....” May God have mercy on all of you “ Grace rejectors” .....

Salvation is a free gift granted to us by a gracious and loving God, and we need to care for God's gift like our life depends on it, because it does.
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[BloodBought 1953]

Like I said...try your hand at twisting or explaining away these scriptures....
Let me guess! You think they were just kidding when they wrote these scriptures? The OSAS beliefs are based on explaining away about half the Bible. How do you explain them away?

1st John3:8: He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

1st Corinthians 6:9-10 “Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.”

Galatians 5:21 “Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.”

Revelation 21:8
But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

2nd Peter 2:4-22
4: For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment 5: And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; 6: And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly; 7: And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked: 8: (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds 9: The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished: 10: But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities. 11: Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord. 12: But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption; 13: And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you; 14: Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children: 15: Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness; 16: But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man's voice forbad the madness of the prophet. 17: These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever. 18: For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error. 19: While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage. 20: For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 21: For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 22: But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

Any verse that one trots out that “seems” to deny the veracity of OSAS is Guilty Of at least “ One” Of two things....they are ALL either being taken out if context or they do not apply to the “Body Of Christ”....... there are NO exceptions to this....

 

[Cooper]

Any verse that one trots out that “seems” to deny the veracity of OSAS is Guilty Of at least “ One” Of two things....they are ALL either being taken out if context or they do not apply to the “Body Of Christ”....... there are NO exceptions to this....

Unless we lose our faith.
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[Tong2020]

Tong2020 said: ↑
There is no man who is good, only God.

Well were I am from I know a lot of Good Christians and as Paul referred to Christian as saints....that comes from the phrase the holy ones from the Hebrew.

Perhaps, but not in the biblical concept of good, wherein, only God is good.

Tong2020 said: ↑
What man is good are only those who are in Christ, who are created in Christ by God. What makes them good is Christ being in them, and them being in Christ. Other than that, no one can make themselves good.

That is all true...but Christ expects us to be moral and those that are not get judged for their deeds on Judgment Day.

More than be moral even. God wanted us to be conformed to the image of Jesus Christ. In fact, those He created in Christ Jesus, He had predestined in that regard.

Tong2020 said: ↑
God Himself said of the fallen natural man, that every intents of the thoughts of his heart is evil continually, even from his youth.

Is He describing the people that Paul called saints? Did Paul lie?

My statement I think was clear. He was telling us about the fallen natural man.

Tong
R3591

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Salvation is a free gift granted to us by a gracious and loving God, and we need to care for God's gift like our life depends on it, because it does.
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Please elaborate on how we are to “ care for” a free gift......sounds like what you are promoting is not a “ free gift” , but a “ barter”......a “ tit for tat” —— that ain’t no “ Free Gift” —— all one can do with a Free Gift is accept it.....or reject it.....

Personally, I accepted a Free Gift—- That means I never had to do ANY type of Work for it.....I simply Believed, and that is not a Work....

 

[Cooper]

Please elaborate on how we are to “ care for” a free gift......sounds like what you are promoting is not a “ free gift” , but a “ barter”......a “ tit for tat” —— that ain’t no “ Free Gift” —— all one can do with a Free Gift is accept it.....or reject it.....

Personally, I accepted a Free Gift—- That means I never had to do ANY type of Work for it.....I simply Believed, and that is not a Work....

You must have been given dozens of free gifts in your lifetime as birthday and Christmas presents. Do you still have them?
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[Tong2020]

Unless we lose our faith.
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If one was once enlightened and have gift of the Holy Spirit, one who was created by God in Christ Jesus, have tasted the good word of God, if he lose faith in God and in Jesus Christ (if that were at all possible), it is impossible to renew him again to repentance.

Tong
R3592

 

[Cooper]

If one was once enlightened and have gift of the Holy Spirit, one who was created by God in Christ Jesus, have tasted the good word of God, if he lose faith in God and in Jesus Christ (if that were at all possible), it is impossible to renew him again to repentance.

Tong
R3592

That is correct.
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[BloodBought 1953]

Unless we lose our faith.
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Solomon Lost His Faith....
He even built Temples for Heathen God’s so that he and others could “ worship” these False Gods....which included killing babies with rocks....yet , the True God, in His Mercy, told David that he would not Damn Solomon, But that He would Chastise the hell out of him....

God’s Grace and Goodness is what Saves a man— not our own. God can Save whoever he “ wants” to Save .His Word proclaims that He will Save all of those that TRUST Him...there was a time in Solomon’s life that he trusted God....He fell into severe error! God says that if we are “ unfaithful” ,He will “ Remain” Faithful.....we see this principle played out in the life of Solomon....he rejected the Faith Of his youth .....read the story of his hideous life after his faith failed .....God made him miserable ( as He can do us) ....yet He Saved Him in the end....( as He can do us) . Grace does not appear to be “fair” sometimes ...try to learn to Deal with it.....

 

[Tong2020]

Tong2020 said: ↑
If one was once enlightened and have gift of the Holy Spirit, one who was created by God in Christ Jesus, have tasted the good word of God, if he lose faith in God and in Jesus Christ (if that were at all possible), it is impossible to renew him again to repentance.

That is correct.
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Since you agree with that, may I ask, what do you say of those who call themselves Christians who believe that can lose salvation at will and after can be saved again at will?

If I were to have those questions to you, do you believe that you can lose salvation at will? And if you place yourself as have done that, do you also believe that you can be renewed to repentance and at will can gain salvation back?

Tong
R3593

 

[Cooper]

Solomon Lost His Faith....
He even built Temples for Heathen God’s so that he and others could “ worship” these False Gods....which included killing babies with rocks....yet , the True God, in His Mercy, told David that he would not Damn Solomon, But that He would Chastise the hell out of him....

God’s Grace and Goodness is what Saves a man— not our own. God can Save whoever he “ wants” to Save .His Word proclaims that He will Save all of those that TRUST Him...there was a time in Solomon’s life that he trusted God....He fell into severe error! God says that if we are “ unfaithful” ,He will “ Remain” Faithful.....we see this principle played out in the life of Solomon....he rejected the Faith Of his youth .....read the story of his hideous life after his faith failed .....God made him miserable ( as He can do us) ....yet He Saved Him in the end....( as He can do us) . Grace does not appear to be “fair” sometimes ...try to learn to Deal with it.....

Just remember it is GOD'S grace, and OUR salvation. You seem to think you have the Grace of God, if so, can I have some please?
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[BloodBought 1953]

You must have been given dozens of free gifts in your lifetime as birthday and Christmas presents. Do you still have them?
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Of course not....but if God gave me a Promise that said that I would keep them forever and I believed that Promise—— guess what would have happened? If you respond, “ Why BB , you would certainly still HAVE them— God can’t break a Promise!” ......if that was your response—— go to the head of the class....what a Silly analogy....what else have you got? Nothing more fun than “shooting fish in a barrel”.....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

That is correct.
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Correct only when taken in context....it don’t mean what you think it means....

 

[Tong2020]

Grace does not appear to be “fair” sometimes ...

Yes. But I have say, grace is totally different from fairness.

Tong
R3594