Michael is Jesus?
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Ok, you keep your phony Michael savior. I'll stick with Jesus the real Savior!
2 Timothy 1:10 (NKJV)
10 but has now been revealed by the appearing of our Savior Jesus Christ, who has abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel,
Brakelite
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If Michael is the only begotten Son of God, who incarnated as man and was then named Jesus and was the Messiah, declared as Head of all the angelic host and will stand up and return at the last day to destroy the enemies of God and with His voice raise the redeemed dead to life and the righteous living to immortality, then yes, He is God.
God is called our Savior many times in the Bible. Jesus is called our Savior many times in the Bible. Where is Michael? He ain't!
quietthinker
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Brakelite
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If he is one and the same, He is. An angel doesn't have the power of authority to raise the dead. But Jesus does.
KJV 1 Thessalonians 4:16
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
That voice, that shout, that cry that raises the dead in Christ to immortality, comes from the same person.
KJV John 6:39-40, 44, 54
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
Who is doing the raising up of the dead?
KJV John 5:19-29
19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.
21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.
22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, (who's voice????)
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
KJV 1 Thessalonians 4:16
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
Why don't you take it a verse at a time rather than the smoke screen! Michael is NEVER called God nor the Savior in the Bible! ONLY God and Jesus are called our Savior!
Brakelite
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Yeah, Jesus is our God and Savior and God is our Savior, not Michael. You have ZERO Scripture! Michael is not my Savior!
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Brakelite
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I think the time has come for me to leave this conversation lest you be tempted to dig a deeper hole than the above. Been nice chatting. God bless.
Maybe you should start a thread about Scriptures that say Michael is our Savior VS Scriptures that say God is our Savior and Jesus is our Savior. Put up or ...
PS: I have LOTS of Scriptures! You haven't given even one.
quietthinker
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It is you kcnalp who is befuddling the ideas because they don't suit you instead of joining the dots well and making no big deal of it.
This befuddling sets a precedent of operation for you, for if you do it with one matter you open the gates to do it with another....pretty soon eisegesis becomes the norm instead of exegesis and you can make the bible say or not say whatever takes your fancy.
Michael is your God and savior? Jesus is my God Savior. You have ZERO Scripture.
Ziggy
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God is in all and through all. God is all in all.
Some with a little measure and some with a lot.
Each individual is a part of God.
Otherwise there would not be life in us.
Am I my brother's keeper?
Yes.
You share the same life.
Michael is Jesus, Jesus is God and we are all a part of God.
We once were inseperable, oneness.
A distance grew like splintered light, like atoms in the universe.
Multiplying himself through his creation.
And each of us is a part of Him and a part of each other.
And yet individual and unique.
Amazing isn't it?
Hugs
Some with a little measure and some with a lot.
Each individual is a part of God.
Otherwise there would not be life in us.
Am I my brother's keeper?
Yes.
You share the same life.
Michael is Jesus, Jesus is God and we are all a part of God.
We once were inseperable, oneness.
A distance grew like splintered light, like atoms in the universe.
Multiplying himself through his creation.
And each of us is a part of Him and a part of each other.
And yet individual and unique.
Amazing isn't it?
Hugs
Michael is God? No he isn't! . That's why you avoid what the Bible says about Michael! Satan wants to give you a phony savior!
Ziggy
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Would it surprise you then, that Satan was also a part of God at one time.
That seperation was permanent and became death.
He was circumcised, cut off, and yet still survives in people that have been infected with his death.
Like a really bad virus that spread across humanity.
Satan has been defeated.
Death where is thy sting.
And yet the spread of death lingers, like a curse.
Until we are healed.
Rev 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
Michael is a part of God, Jesus is a part of God, We are a part of God.
God is all in all.
Jhn 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
Jhn 15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Remember now thy Creator in the days of thy youth, while the evil days come not, nor the years draw nigh, when thou shalt say, I have no pleasure in them; While the sun, or the light, or the moon, or the stars, be not darkened, nor the clouds return after the rain:
In the day when the keepers of the house shall tremble, and the strong men shall bow themselves, and the grinders cease because they are few, and those that look out of the windows be darkened, And the doors shall be shut in the streets, when the sound of the grinding is low, and he shall rise up at the voice of the bird, and all the daughters of musick shall be brought low;
Also when they shall be afraid of that which is high, and fears shall be in the way, and the almond tree shall flourish, and the grasshopper shall be a burden, and desire shall fail: because man goeth to his long home, and the mourners go about the streets:
Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern.
Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
Hugs
That seperation was permanent and became death.
He was circumcised, cut off, and yet still survives in people that have been infected with his death.
Like a really bad virus that spread across humanity.
Satan has been defeated.
Death where is thy sting.
And yet the spread of death lingers, like a curse.
Until we are healed.
Rev 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
Michael is a part of God, Jesus is a part of God, We are a part of God.
God is all in all.
Jhn 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
Jhn 15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Remember now thy Creator in the days of thy youth, while the evil days come not, nor the years draw nigh, when thou shalt say, I have no pleasure in them; While the sun, or the light, or the moon, or the stars, be not darkened, nor the clouds return after the rain:
In the day when the keepers of the house shall tremble, and the strong men shall bow themselves, and the grinders cease because they are few, and those that look out of the windows be darkened, And the doors shall be shut in the streets, when the sound of the grinding is low, and he shall rise up at the voice of the bird, and all the daughters of musick shall be brought low;
Also when they shall be afraid of that which is high, and fears shall be in the way, and the almond tree shall flourish, and the grasshopper shall be a burden, and desire shall fail: because man goeth to his long home, and the mourners go about the streets:
Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern.
Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
Hugs
The SDA church wants to have it both ways in many areas. They believe that you can have your cake and eat it too.
1. Jesus is God, but He is also Michael the archangel.
2. Salvation is by grace through faith, but it also includes works.
3. Christ finished His work of redemption, but continues His work in the heavenly Sanctuary.
4. Others are also Christians, but Sunday worship means that they have taken the Mark of the Beast.
5. People are saved, but they are still subject to "an Investigative Judgment".
All of this confusion is because of a lady who was rather confused -- Mary Baker Eddy. If the SDAs would say "Enough of that, and let's stick to the Bible" all these anomalies would disappear.
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