Jesus Is Our Truth, Reward, And Faithfulness So We Can Lie, Steal, and Fornicate?

[Eternally Grateful]

I would ask, do you meet the standard of the law of love which you speak of?

No one meets the standard of any law.
Do I love others 24/7 7 days a week 5w weeks a year. No

 

[Eternally Grateful]

If you love God, you'll keep the first four and if you love your neighbor, you'll keep the last six.

Your refusal to keep the fourth commandment proves your "love" for Jesus is divided with your love of lawbreaking aka "sin" according to 1 John 3:4 KJV. Repent now and avoid the rush at doomsday when it will be too late.

My refusal to keep the 4th?

lol you have no idea what I do.
I am amazed you preach, yet you continually bear false witness

which command it that?

 

[CharismaticLady]

If we're free from the law of "thou shalt not bear false witness", then why does the LAST chapter of the LAST book of the Bible say "liars" will not enter the kingdom of heaven? Because we are NOT now nor will we ever be free to violate any of the Ten Commandments and "Christians" who refuse to repent of Sabbath breaking after the Holy Spirit convicts them of the truth of our need to keep it will be wondering how the hell did they end up outside with the rest of the wicked awaiting the fire to fall down from God upon them.

Keeping LOVE does not allow us to be liars. You seem to think that if we are under a stronger law than the Ten Commandments that we will break the Ten Commandments. But that's silly if the law now is STRONGER!

 

[CharismaticLady]

No, it is you who should read it in context. The CONTEXT continuously refers to the seventh day Sabbath rest as a sign that God's people are worshiping the One Who has done everything necessary for their salvation, and Paul here makes so plain that the same sign is for the Church that even a blind man can see it.

I don't know what liberal SDA church you grew up in, but Grace is not a License to steal, lie, worship Satan, or break the Sabbath which Hebrews 4:9 KJV plainly says remains a sign for Christians that we are resting in Jesus for salvation, just as fidelity in marriage is a sign that both are committed to each other, NOT A MEANS OF PROCURRING THAT COMMITMENT.

Please, let's keep cart behind the horse, OK? We obey because we are saved, not in order to be saved, but obey WE MUST.

The 7th day rest was an example. And then he says that ANOTHER day will be appointed - TODAY. Don't you understand it is not the old 7th day, but ANOTHER day?

 

[CharismaticLady]

Hebrews 4:9 KJV says literally resting on the Sabbath day is an outward evidence of the inward rest we have in Jesus, just as baptism is the outward sign of our death, burial, and resurrection in Jesus which should have already taken place within the person being baptized. Sadly, today the church watches many dry pagans go down in baptism and come up merely wet pagans.

Seriously, what more powerful statement of "grace" could there be than God telling those who deserve only to work forever as recompense for the crime of killing His dear Son to "SABBATH" once a week and spend time with Him? There is no other greater statement and is why God chose the weekly SABBATH as the sign that He Creator of all and now ReCreator of our hearts within us.

It is a sabbath rest, but it isn't the same day as before. In fact, it isn't even a physical day. It is now the SPIRITUAL SENSE OF THE SABBATH REST, in the form of the Lord of the Sabbath.

 

[CharismaticLady]

If the Law God wrote in stone was the Old Covenant, then you should be able to substitute "Old Covenant" for "Law" in Romans 3:31 KJV. Please let me know how that works out, OK?

That is because the eternal laws of God are stronger than the Ten Commandments, not weaker. So we by our new nature that has the eternal laws, not the weaker Ten Commandments, written on our hearts. Therefore we naturally keep the stronger laws whereby establishing them.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Then you agree that if we keep the Spirit of the Law, by default we will keep the Letter of the Law. So, why all this confusion about the "Spirit" and "Letter"? The Sabbath, the point of thread. No one argues that refraining from lust means we can disregard the commandment to not commit adultery, so why is it that people argue resting in Jesus means we can BREAK the Sabbath? Several reasons:

They love how things are now and don't wish to change.
They love their job and don't want to lose it.
They love their spouse and don't want to lose him/her.
They love their friends and don't want to lose them.
They love their coveted position in church leadership and don't want to lose it.

They love EVERYTHING but the truth, and don't realize in the end they will be damned because "they received not love of the truth, that they might be saved."

We will keep the moral commandments more perfectly than when the Ten Commandments were the Law, because they are now part of our nature to LOVE. We keep the Spirit of all the old commandments, but to the core of us, not just in an outward action. But the keeping of the 7th day Sabbath can ONLY be kept by the LETTER OF THE LAW, unless you know WHO the Lord of the Sabbath is, and keep faith in Him by the Holy Spirit. Therefore the keeping of an actual day of the week by the letter of the law is obsolete, and was the sign of the old letter of the law covenant. We are not under that law any longer, but a new covenant of the SPIRIT.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Liberty from punishment, of course! The same law that is a Law of Liberty to me is a Law of Sin to those who refuse to repent.

"There is now therefore no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit." See that? Those who are keeping the Spirit of the Ten Commandments are by default keeping the Letter of the Ten Commandments, while those who refuse to repent and keep the Sabbath will in the end suffer the wrath of God "upon every soul that doeth evil".

NO!!!! Liberty from SIN!!!

Those who still sin are under condemnation. Only those who no longer desire to sin and are empowered by the Spirit to love have no condemnation because they ARE NOT COMMITTING ANY SIN! They do nothing against their conscience.

John 8:32-36 This truth shall set you free. Jesus frees us from sin indeed.

 

[kcnalp]

NO!!!! Liberty from SIN!!!

Those who still sin are under condemnation. Only those who no longer desire to sin and are empowered by the Spirit to love have no condemnation because they ARE NOT COMMITTING ANY SIN! They do nothing against their conscience.

John 8:32-36 This truth shall set you free. Jesus frees us from sin indeed.

You haven't sinned since you got saved?

 

[CharismaticLady]

You haven't sinned since you got saved?

Not willful lawless sin of 1 John 3:4, no. The desire to sin was taken out of me literally on 2/9/77.

How do you think I know that 1 John 3:9 is the Truth, and not a myth. Did Jesus sin? Don't you know that we are given the same nature that Jesus had? So if He didn't desire to sin when tempted, it is just as easy for us. His yoke is easy, and His burden is light. That's about His commandments.

 

[amigo de christo]

Dont you know that to whom you yield yourselves servants to obey , HIS servants YOU ARE .
Whether of sin unto death or of obediance unto righteousness .
Now let the glorious Lord be praised .

 

[amigo de christo]

NO!!!! Liberty from SIN!!!

Those who still sin are under condemnation. Only those who no longer desire to sin and are empowered by the Spirit to love have no condemnation because they ARE NOT COMMITTING ANY SIN! They do nothing against their conscience.

John 8:32-36 This truth shall set you free. Jesus frees us from sin indeed.

Only use not LIBERTY for an occasion to the flesh , to serve the flesh .
For if you live after the flesh you shall die , but if you through the SPIRIT do mortify the deeds of the body ye shall live .
Beware , oh beware , for GOD is not mocked , if you sow to the flesh you shall of the flesh reap corruption
but if ye sow to the Spirit ye shall of the Spirit reap ........LIFE EVERLASTING .
Just a few reminders .

 

[amigo de christo]

Remember the pattern . Confess your faults one to another and pray that ye might be healed .

 

[kcnalp]

Not willful lawless sin of 1 John 3:4, no. The desire to sin was taken out of me literally on 2/9/77.

How do you think I know that 1 John 3:9 is the Truth, and not a myth. Did Jesus sin? Don't you know that we are given the same nature that Jesus had? So if He didn't desire to sin when tempted, it is just as easy for us. His yoke is easy, and His burden is light. That's about His commandments.

You have either sinned or you haven't. Please stop the word games.

 

[amigo de christo]

Be servants of righteousness and sin not . Let not iniquity be once named among you as becometh saints .
Time to take a far more serious stance on all doctrinal truth .
Let the KING be praised .

 

[amigo de christo]

You have either sinned or you haven't. Please stop the word games.

Hello my friend . Do not you think it odd that the early church was big on ERR NOT
, let it not once be named , yet today we do all we can to make excuse or downplay sin .
Just ponder and pray on that for a bit . If paul were here , he would be saying LET IT NOT ONCE be named .
Not saying oh we just cant stop . We need to buckle down and get much more serious on things .
For if ye follow the Spirit you would not fullfill the lusts of the flesh . Ponder on that one too .
And remember those who do err , you correct and do so quickly . Always pointing to the pattern JESUS set .
And the apostels later set and kept . be encouraged my friend .

 

[kcnalp]

Hello my friend . Do not you think it odd that the early church was big on ERR NOT
, let it not once be named , yet today we do all we can to make excuse or downplay sin .
Just ponder and pray on that for a bit . If paul were here , he would be saying LET IT NOT ONCE be named .
Not saying oh we just cant stop . We need to buckle down and get much more serious on things .
For if ye follow the Spirit you would not fullfill the lusts of the flesh . Ponder on that one too .
And remember those who do err , you correct and do so quickly . Always pointing to the pattern JESUS set .
And the apostels later set and kept . be encouraged my friend .

If we can't confess that we have sinned then obviously we haven't asked to be forgiven. And that ain't good!

1 John 1:9 (NKJV)
9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

 

[amigo de christo]

If we can't confess that we have sinned then obviously we haven't asked to be forgiven. And that ain't good!

1 John 1:9 (NKJV)
9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Keep the pattern JESUS set and later the apostels set . Yes indeed . Let all that draws breath , all that requires
oxygen to sustain physical life , PRAISE THE GLORIOUS LORD .

 

[kcnalp]

Satan LOVES it when we don't confess we have sinned! He wants our company "forever and ever"!

 

[CharismaticLady]

You have either sinned or you haven't. Please stop the word games.

I said no. That should be plain enough.

I said, Not willful lawless sin of 1 John 3:4, no. Which is the context of 1 John 3:9 and is what Jesus takes away, those sins unto death done on purpose against God's laws. He takes the desire away for those willful lawless sin when He makes us born again of His Own Spirit.