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[Eternally Grateful]

You came back, what would have happened if you had met with a tragic accident?
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I would have died the sin unto death, but when it came time for my eternal destination. god is the one who saved me and gave me eternal life, he perfected me forever,

He is obligated to keep his promise, because it was never based on me (If I had true saving faith when I was supposedly born again and adopted into Gods family)

if a son leave his family, he is still his fathers son. That does not change, a loving father still loves his son no matter what, unconditional love,

 

[mailmandan]

a dog returns to his vomit

a dog who was made a new creature does not return to being a dog

Those who are truly born of God have received a new nature, a divine nature. (2 Peter 1:4) They have been transformed from pigs and dogs into sheep. The change is more than just cosmetic, as in 2 Peter 2:20. These cleaned up on the outside dogs and pigs in 2 Peter 2:20 were never sheep.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Those who are truly born of God have received a new nature, a divine nature. (2 Peter 1:4) They have been transformed from pigs and dogs into sheep. The change is more than just cosmetic, as in 2 Peter 2:20. These cleaned up on the outside dogs and pigs in 2 Peter 2:20 were never sheep.

Amen

his sheep hear his voice, and they follow him

God came after me, and although I was contemplating suicide, he kept me and when I finally heard his voice I came back

 

[Cooper]

An unbeliever has always been an unbeliever, that’s why they where bit his sheep

as Jesus said, he who does not believe is condemned already. They did not change states back to condemnation

remember in John 6. They did not see because they did not believe so they walked away

and 1 John 2. They left because they were never of us, if they were of us they never would have left

a dog returns to his vomit

a dog who was made a new creature does not return to being a dog

You do not understand the meaning of words like unbeliever or backslider.
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[Michiah-Imla]

Rest in the Gospel ....get His Spirit

No one is going to rest in this world! Those who endure to the end will be counted worthy to rest in Christ in the end:

"…we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure: Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:… And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels," (2 Thessalonians 1:4-7)

Because I Rest in the Gospel Of Grace Plus Nothing

Who told you to ignore this scripture?:

"…giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity." (2 Peter 1:5-7)

God ain’t so much interested in what “ You”

"For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord is against them that do evil." (1 Peter 3:12)

You say you sin.

Sin is evil.

Beware. Beware.

you ain’t Obeying....

You ain’t obeying. You are an admitted sinner even now:

"Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof." (Romans 6:12)

Turn in your Scowl for a Smile...

"Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded. Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness. Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up." (James 4:8-10)

"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time. Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations: That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ" (1 Peter 1:3-7)

So the question is:

Will the trial of your faith be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ?

You better do this my friend and stop listening to false teachings:

"Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?" (2 Corinthians 13:5)

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You do not understand the meaning of words like unbeliever or backslider.
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I was a backslider

I was not an unbeliever my friend

a dog returns to his vomit because he was a dog

a backslider gets chastened by God, I know, I have experienced it, a prodigal is a backslider, a dog who walks away and returns to sin is, well, a dog

 

[Cooper]

Amen

his sheep hear his voice, and they follow him

God came after me, and although I was contemplating suicide, he kept me and when I finally heard his voice I came back

That is what the Good Shepherd does, but the sheep do not always return, that is down to us and our stubborn nature. On the other side of the coin, there have been many children who have been the apple of their father's eye, who later have been disinherited.
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[Cooper]

I was a backslider

I was not an unbeliever my friend

a dog returns to his vomit because he was a dog

a backslider gets chastened by God, I know, I have experienced it, a prodigal is a backslider, a dog who walks away and returns to sin is, well, a dog

Do a Bible search on backsliders.
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[Michiah-Imla]

Post# 3588 @Addy

The legalists believe it is their job to ASSESS and JUDGE each Christian's walk

"But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person." (1 Corinthians 5:11-13)

which then sets the stage for them to COMPARE their lives with every one else in order to GRADE their own performance

You are wrong. “We” Bible believers just do what we are told to do in the Bible.

The Grace believers understand that after that point of conversion... they are a NEW CREATION in CHRIST.... and all else flows from that TRANSACTION. It is a one time deal... .it is an ACTUAL event... and this is what the legalists REFUSE to acknowledge and believe.

I acknowledge and believe this.

The accusations that come flying our way are FALSE... all of them...

I just identified a false accusation of yours above.

I have experienced AGONY like I cannot express due to being told I could lose my salvation.

If you don’t do anything to warrant loosing your salvation, there wouldn’t be any agony to be experienced.

Until a person accepts who they are in CHRIST... until a person understands that SALVATION is a PROMISE for those who simply BELIEVE that CHRIST paid the price of sin in FULL... there will continue to be misery... un-necessary strife and unrest.

Until people stop twisting the scriptures and listening to men “there will continue to be misery... un-necessary strife and unrest”.

True born again believers suffer NOW because they no longer do the works of their old self:

"…for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin" (1 Peter 4:1)

So suffer in the flesh now, because:

"For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us." (Romans 8:18)

 

[Addy]

@Michiah-Imla .... I received notification that you have tagged me... and yep... a long post quoting me...
I thought I mentioned to you already that I have no desire to communicate with you AND... I do not
bother to read your posts.... so sadly... all your effort to condemn me has fallen to the way-side. Sorry for all your trouble and the WASTE of
internet ink.

If you note... when someone can show me they are human and willing to communicate properly... I am more than willing to engage in conversation with them.... on the other hand... those who come here to purposely take CHEAP pot shots at one another... very QUICKLY get on my LAST NERVE... therefore I tend to dismiss them without much fuss.

Have a nice day.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Post# 3606

a dog returns to his vomit because he was a dog

There you go.

If you sin are you not a dog still?

If you’re not a dog, it’s impossible for you to do dog things.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

I received notification that you have tagged me... and yep... a long post quoting me...

@Addy

Most of my post contains scripture.

Unlike others’ posts that contain nothing but a soap box rant of what their teachers taught them to say…

But I guess you prefer the flattery of your echo chamber…

 

[Eternally Grateful]

That is what the Good Shepherd does, but the sheep do not always return, that is down to us and our stubborn nature. On the other side of the coin, there have been many children who have been the apple of their father's eye, who later have been disinherited.
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Jesus said his sheep,hear his voice and return

thats what sheep do.

he did not say they might return.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Do a Bible search on backsliders.
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I have been one my friend

a backslider goes backwards

we can’t fall into a position we were before salvation, we would have to be more powerful than God

 

[Michiah-Imla]

we can’t fall into a position we were before salvation, we would have to be more powerful than God

Where in the Bible did you extrapolate this teaching?

On the other hand there is this warning:

"For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame." (Hebrews 6:4-6)

 

[Cooper]

I have been one my friend

a backslider goes backwards

we can’t fall into a position we were before salvation, we would have to be more powerful than God

I said to read what the BIBLE says about backsliders.
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[Eternally Grateful]

I said to read what the BIBLE says about backsliders.
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I have my friend. That why I have been paraphrasing scripture

and my experience and what the Bible says are in agreement

 

[Addy]

Most of my post contains scripture.

Most of your posts are filled with condemnation and mis-interpretation of the scripture you post. Just saying...

These forums are filled to the brim with condemners... they spend all day long pointing their gnarly fingers at others...
their beady eyes staring to and fro to find innocent victims to accuse... You are one of many...

 

[Cooper]

Jesus said his sheep,hear his voice and return

thats what sheep do.

he did not say they might return.

Tell that to the lost sheep of Israel.
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I have my friend. That why I have been paraphrasing scripture

and my experience and what the Bible says are in agreement

You are so wrong. Millions have gone astray and never returned.

The 1 sheep that does return is the exception, and the cause for great rejoicing.
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[BloodBought 1953]

Unless God quickens the spirit of the natural man, opening his spiritual eyes and ears, he will not really understand the gospel. Now, we see people hear the gospel, and some receive it and some don’t, some believe and some don’t, isn’t it? Have you wondered how could some reject such an amazing grace?





To see how all of this plays out in God’s Plan, one need go no farther than to check out the experience of “ Lydia, the Seller Of Purple “ Found In Acts 16....... It was said that God “ opened her heart” to receiving the Gospel .....Had that not happened, Lydia would have heard, considered it “ foolishness” and gone on about her business.....

All of this just proves the verse, “Nobody comes to God lest the Spirit draw him”...... the initiative to Save is God’s .....

All you foolish people out there that think that you will get Saved ,” when you are ready” , perhaps on your death- bed , might want to consider that you ain’t really the one in control.....