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Curtis

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Please read Galatians 3:19 KJV verrrrrrrrrrrry slooooooooowly and then you'll understand there is MORE than one law: "It (the law)........was added.......because of transgression.......until the Seed should come."

Why don’t you read it vey slowly, and in context, since the entire letter to the Galatians was against the errors of going back to the law of Moses, against keeping DAYS and times and seasons, and telling them in chapter 4:21 - 31 that the entire covenant given to Moses on Mount Sinai is BONDAGE.

The passage you like to quote says that the law of Moses was not given until 430 years after Abraham, - when it was given TO Moses - and Romans 5:12-13 states that BECAUSE man had no law during that time period from Adam to Moses, though there was sin in the world, it was NOT held against them i e, not IMPUTED to them, because “where there is NO LAW, there is no imputation of sin”.

Rom 5:12 Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned—

Rom 5:13 for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law.

First Paul states clearly that the law was not given until 430 years after Abraham, and that the law did not negate the covenant promise to Abraham about being the father of many nations-

and then goes on to say that the law, (given 430 years after Abraham) was given because it was needed - since as Paul wrote elsewhere, without the law, there is no knowledge of what sin IS,( and we know from Romans that man had no law from Adam to Moses, and therefore God didn’t count their sins against them).

Also Jesus didn’t change the ceremonial day of rest, the 4th command ENDED when the covenant it was part of ended, and the entire Decalogue ended with it - in fact it’s CALLED the covenant on two tables of stone, and that covenant ended, being replaced by a better covenant, founded on better promises- and there are no days commanded to keep in the two love commands that superseded the old ten.

Do the math: Decalogue = old covenant on two tables of stone, and old covenant has ended.

Deu 4:13 And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.

Deu 9:11 And it came to pass at the end of forty days and forty nights, that the LORD gave me the two tables of stone, even the tables of the covenant.

Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.



 

Phoneman777

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No Scripture? Of course not! No where does the Bible say Michael is our God or Savior!
How about you ask Spurgeon, Adam Clarke, Matthew Henry, etc. what the proof texts are, because they are the same ones I and others see as proof. I'm not going to waste time typing up what is readily available for you to read elsewhere, so please stop insinuating the absence of texts is evidence I don't have any.

OK, here's a couple for you:

1) The "Angel of the Lord" that appeared to Manoah and received worship -- which ordinary angels never receive -- said His name was "Secret" -- the EXACT same Hebrew word that is translated "Wonderful" as the name of Jesus in Isaiah 9:6 KJV.

2) Michael is called "the GREAT Prince" while Messiah is merely called "the Prince" which means either Michael is greater than Jesus or Michael is Jesus.
 

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No Sabbath COMMAND in Hebrews! The Sabbath COMMANDS were ONLY for Israel! NOBODY else.
Wrong, maybe most translations don't render it in such a way, but Lamsa's Pishitta accurately does so:
"It is therefore the duty of the people of God to keep the Sabbath". Hebrews 4:9 KJV, Lamsa's Pishitta.
 

Phoneman777

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Don't you even know that 9 of the 10 are in the NT??? But no Sabbath COMMANDS! NONE!
Look, your constant yelling is getting annoying. If you can't engage in a theological discussion -- which is perhaps the greatest depository of controversy -- without becoming emotionally unhinged, then maybe you should avoid them.
 

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How many people have you executed for working on weekends? Or maybe you don't like all the Sabbath COMMANDS?

Exodus 31:15 (NKJV)
15 Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
We no longer live under a Theocracy...but does that mean we're free to break the Ten Commandments? Of course not.
 

Phoneman777

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You are a disingenuous and puffed up child, who has no answer to Scripture that disproves you, and so your resort to copy and paste.

My time with you finished.
I've answered all your baseless arguments, and if I skipped one, I'm sure I can answer it, as well, because a blind man with Holy Spirit discernment can see there is a difference between what God wrote in stone and what Moses wrote on scrolls.
 

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What do you make of this scripture?

"Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ." (Colossians 2:16-17)

It seems to me that the Sabbath that Christians keep is a rest from their own sinful works.

"For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his." (Hebrews 4:10)

In other words, it has a superior spiritual application to the born again believers in Christ. Much like when Paul utilizes this scripture from the law as a greater application to the Church:

"For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen? Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope." (1 Corinthians 9:9-10)

Remember that Jesus said that the priests in the Temple profane the Sabbath and are blameless (Matthew 12:5). And are we not Priests unto God through Christ (Revelation 1:6). And are not our bodies the Temple of God?

"Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?" (1 Corinthians 3:16)

What do you think?
 

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I've answered all your baseless arguments, and if I skipped one, I'm sure I can answer it, as well, because a blind man with Holy Spirit discernment can see there is a difference between what God wrote in stone and what Moses wrote on scrolls.
Really? Ok, once more:

1.Commandments engraven in stone are blessing not cursing and were put in the ark:

"But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, which glory was to be done away: For if the ministration of condemnation be glory much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory. For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious." (2 Cor 3)

The commandments written in stone were the ministry of death and condemnation, not blessing, and they with their glory are done away...

2. The tables written on by God Himself were placed in the ark:

No, those were broken by Moses and then Moses cut out new ones and wrote on those himself, and those were placed in the ark (Ex 34:1,27-28). Therefore, there is no difference of 'handwriting' between the book of the law in the tabernacle and the 2nd set of stones on the mount.

3. The book of the law written by Moses in the tabernacle was placed beside or outside the ark:

No, it place placed in the ark, in the side of it, beside the tables of stone. (Ex 25:21)(Deut 31:24)

There are more Scriptures disproving your points like these that you have not responded to at all, so if you at least respond, even badly, I will take away my judgment of you as a non-answering, disingenuous child, that resorts only to copy and pasting...
 
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What do you make of this scripture?

"Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ." (Colossians 2:16-17)

It seems to me that the Sabbath that Christians keep is a rest from their own sinful works.

"For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his." (Hebrews 4:10)

In other words, it has a superior spiritual application to the born again believers in Christ. Much like when Paul utilizes this scripture from the law as a greater application to the Church:

"For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen? Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope." (1 Corinthians 9:9-10)

Remember that Jesus said that the priests in the Temple profane the Sabbath and are blameless (Matthew 12:5). And are we not Priests unto God through Christ (Revelation 1:6). And are not our bodies the Temple of God?

"Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?" (1 Corinthians 3:16)

What do you think?
Your point would be that necessity of obeying God's law in life outweighs keeping the Sabbath. I.e. if providing for our own and working for our food necessitates working on weekends, then we may be profaning the Sabbath without guilt?

Of course the one thing these Sabbath keeping zealots never address is the fact that no Christian could ever be a soldier, cop, fireman, Governor, etc...or even a full time Walmart custodian.

National Israel did not have such 'work' by way of employment. They were truly citizen-soldiers for life.

Once you return to the carnal ordinances and commandments of the Old Covenant, then you must live as the Old Testament national Israelites and be debtors to the whole law of Moses.

That is what makes these self-righteous carnally-minded posers of great Sabbath-keeping holiness so repulsive. They want to play both sides: national Israelites under law of Moses and saved by grace Christians with the law of Christ:

"So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth."
 

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You seem to have totally missed this part: "and I will write upon these tables the words that were in the first tables, which thou brakest."

Who wrote on the second set of tables? God did. (hands robert derrick a mop)

"And the LORD said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel. And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments." (Ex 34)

The Lord said He would write them again, and then he had Moses write them from His mouth. God has written ALL Scripture. Simple.
 

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You've go to be kidding, right? Everyone knows the absolute heavyweight champ of all "tradition turned doctrine" lies is Sunday sacredness! Not one shred of Scripture establishes it - it's solely on the authority of the Roman Catholic Church alone, and they make it their BOAST to say so, and then mock all non-Catholics for keeping Sunday:

"Therefore the observance of Sunday by the Protestants is an homage they pay, in spite of themselves, to the authority of the (Catholic) church."

Didn't Jesus tell Christians in Judea to pray they would not have to flee on the Sabbath day? Remember, there were no walls around Judea, so His words had nothing to do with locked gates, right?

Didn't Jesus say the Sabbath was made for M-A-N (Gk. "anthropos" which means "mankind") which is a strange way to spell "jew", right?

Didn't Paul make a Grace sandwich using two slices of Sabbath and a succulent slice of Grace in the middle in Acts 13? Have a bite:

13:42 "Paul, preach to us next SABBATH".
13:43 "Y'all got a new day - SUNDAY". Oh wait...he didn't say that...he said, "Continue in GRACE'.
13:44 "The next SABBATH day came almost the entire city together to hear Paul preach".


Mmmmmmmmm, delicioso! :cool:
Correct. Sunday Sabbath keeping by law is just as false as Saturday.
 

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Leviticus 19:17 KJV...failing to spread the "loving rebuke against sin" is hate, right or wrong?
Loving rebuke against sin as God declares sin by Scripture is godly, but rebuke against sin as man declares it is devilish and false accusation against the brethren.
 

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You're still not getting it. The same law can't be both "carnal" and "spiritual". The Law of Moses was carnal because it was a shadowy figure that pointed to the reality of Jesus.

The Ten Commandments are no shadow of anything, nor is the Sabbath. They are a TRANSCRIPT of the character of God. The Sabbath is a MEMORIAL to Creation and also to RECREATION of our hearts in Jesus. Only the unsaved will find Sabbath keeping "grievous", while true Christians will find it a "delight, honorable".
"Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life." (Heb 7)
 

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Some scholars say the Ark had an outside pocket, others saying the Mosaic Law was laid against it. Whatever the case, the point is they were SEPERATE from the stone tablets, which is the point.
Weeds again, eh? The Mosaic Law written in a book was NOT "inside" the Ark, it was outside "in the side of the Ark". The only things INSIDE the Ark were the Tables of Stone, the Manna Pot, and the Rod of Aaron (Hebrews 9:4 KJV). The "tables of the testimony" are not the same as the Mosaic Law (Exodus 32:15 KJV).The Mosaic Law was kept OUTSIDE the Ark so it could be "a witness against thee". How in the world could it be a witness to anyone if it was rolled up INSIDE the Ark? Please keep things Biblical.
You are not getting it. "In the side of the Ark" is not the same as "INSIDE the Ark". I've already shown you that Paul mentions ONLY three things in the Ark, not four things, as you keep insisting.
They were not "exposed to the elements" - they were kept in the Most Holy Place...do ya think there might have been some special power of preservation in there with the very presence of God, the One Who says of His Word that it "endureth forever"?
"Whatever the case, the point is they were SEPERATE from the stone tablets, which is the point."

And admission of error without a confession of guilt. Of course, they were separate, because the first on tables was written by Moses in the mount, and the book was then written by Moses in the tabernacle,a nd both were placed into the Ark of testimony and covenant. (Some 'scholars' speak of an outside pocket to the ark?.....how many Haha's can I put into that one? Childish. Truly grasping childishness)

"The Mosaic Law written in a book was NOT "inside" the Ark, it was outside "in the side of the Ark"."

If it were on the side of the ark, it would say so, but of course God already has your number:

"And thou shalt put the mercy seat above upon the ark; and in the ark thou shalt put the testimony that I shall give thee. And there I will meet with thee, and I will commune with thee from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubims which are upon the ark of the testimony, of all things which I will give thee in commandment unto the children of Israel."

As Moses was writing upon the new tables of stone, the Lord foretold him of more writing to come in a book of testimony from above the mercy seat, which he was also to place in the ark. In the side thereof, beside the tables of stone.

"They were not "exposed to the elements" - they were kept in the Most Holy Place...do ya think there might have been some special power of preservation in there with the very presence of God, the One Who says of His Word that it "endureth forever"?

Sure there was, even as the Lord smote Uzzah when he touched the side of the ark, which had the tables and book of the law written therein.

God didn't want any man touching the ark period, lest they then go inside it. If the book of the law was in some unknown and unscriptural 'pocket' on the side for all to read, then they would of necessity needed touch the side, which was forbidden.

You keep grasping. The engraven stones and the book of the Law were placed inside the Ark as the Lord commanded and as Scripture confirms, and all was done away with their glory, and all was ministry of condemnation and death.
 

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The passage you like to quote says that the law of Moses was not given until 430 years after Abraham, - when it was given TO Moses - and Romans 5:12-13 states that BECAUSE man had no law during that time period from Adam to Moses
Rom 5:12 Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned— Rom 5:13 for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law.
Your entire premise is undermined by the simple fact that the word "law" is referring to the Mosaic Law based on Genesis 26:5 KJV which says Abraham obeyed all kinds of God's laws loooooooooooooooooooooong before the time of Moses.
 

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Do you have any idea how asinine it is to say Christians only have to keep nine of the Ten Commandments? Especially with all the NT evidence for keeping the same Sabbath that was created in Eden?
1. The Sabbath was never 'created', it was commanded.
2. All the NT evidence of a Sabbath commanded in Eden, where?
 

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"Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life." (Heb 7)
Yes, the ''carnal commandment" had to do with the Earthly priesthood, while the Ten Commandments are "holy, just, and good"....two different laws.
 

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1. The Sabbath was never 'created', it was commanded.
Of course it was created in Eden, because that's when it was blessed, according to Exodus 20:11 KJV.
2. All the NT evidence of a Sabbath commanded in Eden, where?
I didn't say there was NT evidence the Sabbath was commanded in Eden...but we know for sure it existed as a commandment BEFORE Mount Sinai.