Jesus Is Our Truth, Reward, And Faithfulness So We Can Lie, Steal, and Fornicate?

[theefaith]

Where in the world did you get the idea that Christ came to change the Sabbath, when He Himself said not one jot or tittle shall pass from it until the heaven and Earth pass?

"My covenant will I not break nor alter the thing that is gone from My lips." -- Psalms 84:34 KJV

IOW, "My covenant (our agreement that I will bless you if you obey Me) shall I not break nor alter the thing that is gone from My lip (the Ten Commandments)."

The old covenant and old creation are fulfilled now we have a new covenant and a new creation

 

[Brakelite]

The old covenant and old creation are fulfilled now we have a new covenant and a new creation

Please explain the etymology of the word fulfill, and how it equates to your idea of complete replacement.

 

[theefaith]

Please explain the etymology of the word fulfill, and how it equates to your idea of complete replacement.

Christ replaced david Lk 1:32-33
The church replaced Israel matt 21:43
The new covenant replaced the old Heb 8:13 Lk 22:20
New creation 2 cor 5:17

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Christ replaced david Lk 1:32-33
The church replaced Israel matt 21:43
The new covenant replaced the old Heb 8:13 Lk 22:20
New creation 2 cor 5:17

Christ did not replace david
And the church did not replace Israel

Heresy!

 

[Brakelite]

Christ replaced david Lk 1:32-33
The church replaced Israel matt 21:43
The new covenant replaced the old Heb 8:13 Lk 22:20
New creation 2 cor 5:17

All good, and agree mostly. I would argue that the church actually becomes Israel, but that's another discussion. What you didn't do was connect any of the above with that idea of Christ fulfilling the law. There is no etymological connection with your idea of replace.

 

[robert derrick]

Yes, there was a change, it was necessary in order to accommodate a new priesthood that wasn't under the law... The law that said the children of Levi were the only ones who could officiate as priests. That law had changed. We are all now priests. This has nothing to do with the ten commandments, which were not given through the hands of the priesthood. The priesthood and laws pertaining to their ministry had not yet been given.
That's love. That's the law of Christ. That's the new covenant. It's that love that Christ promises to write upon our hearts and minds. It's His law.

'Jesus did not come to change the law' Mishandling of Scripture. He came not to destroy the law.
"He came not to change (all) the law" Adding to the Scripture

"it was necessary (to change the law of the priesthood) in order to accommodate a new priesthood that isn't under the law...We are all now priests." Must add to Scripture to keep the doctrine of Sabbath commandment

""This (changing of the law) has nothing to do with the ten commandments, which were not given through the hands of the priesthood. The priesthood and laws pertaining to their ministry had not yet been given." Misstating Scripture.

No law came through the priesthood, but through Moses from God, which law was under the priesthood (Heb 7:11), made by commandment of law. (Ex 28)

The book of law given under the priesthood was by God to Moses in the tabernacle, after given by God to Moses on tables of stone. These writings are separate, and both were put in the ark, with the tables in the midst, and the book beside them in the side of the ark.

The first 10 commandments were given with His judgments together at the same time (Ex 20-23), which Moses ministered to the people and then wrote down himself. If commandments separate, then so the judgments. If obey commandments by law, then must obey judgments, which are equal to the commandments, which includes His statutes:

"To walk in God's law, which was given by Moses the servant of God, and to observe and do all the commandments of the LORD our Lord, and his judgments and his statutes." (Nehem 10)

"In that I command thee this day to love the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply." (Deut 30)

Must keep His judgments and statues with His commandments in order to live and multiply and be blessed. They with the commandments are of blessing, and if they are of cursing, then so are the commandments.

God made no distinction nor separation in His One Law, only men, who are debtors to do the whole law, or at least all the judgments and statues and commandments.

 

[robert derrick]

All good, and agree mostly. I would argue that the church actually becomes Israel, but that's another discussion. What you didn't do was connect any of the above with that idea of Christ fulfilling the law. There is no etymological connection with your idea of replace.

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil." (Matthew 5)

Separating the law and prophets from destroy and fulfilling is as separating commandments of the law from the law.

"For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

Many jots and tittles have passed from the law, when the law was changed. (Heb 7) Therefore all the law and the prophets have been fulfilled by Jesus, as He prophesied He would.

Any other reading is wresting Scripture to keep false doctrine, which is the 1st step to 'proving' what cannot be proven plainly with written Scripture.

 

[robert derrick]

It's a Commandment. You keep arguing against me. It's not my Sabbath day... It's God's. It's His authority you deny. And it doesn't matter of it's "moral" or not. God says, remember the Sabbath to keep it holy. You don't. Why not? Because you don't think it's the "law of Christ"??? Who was it who wrote those laws on tables of stone? You keep rounding on me as if I wrote the law. As if I have the right or authority to condemn you to hell if you disobey. I'm just saying, it is written, thus saith the Lord... It wasn't me who said, If ye love Me, keep My commandments.


KJV Isaiah 58:13-14
13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
14 Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

Do you get it? It isn't me you would be obeying here. It isn't about me. It's not my holy day. It's Jesus' day. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath. Not me. Not my church. Jesus. And He says remember. And you have no, absolutely no excuse or valid biblical reason not to obey. It isn't about your justification. It isn't about working your way to heaven... Even though there may be thousands of Christians who treat it that way. Sidetracking to issues such as that are just that... Sidetracking. Avoidance. Straw men.
The Bible, God's word says, remember. The Roman church says we've changed it to Sunday. The Protestant church says Rome is right, we'll honor Rome's day also. Others don't like to honor any day, so they imagine Jesus said somewhere, honor Me instead. He didn't. Not did He say, nor did any of the apostles say, choose any one of the seven... choose you own day..
God commanded it. He didn't need to do it a second time. He didn't need to remind you after saying the first time, remember to keep My day holy. It's His day. He has a right to command reverence. He has that authority and the Christian Church denies Him that right. Instead of second guessing Him and devising reasons to ignore Him, how about simply saying,
Not my will but thine be done.
You can ignore me, rubbish my opinions from dawn to dusk, and the world won't blink, and not will I. But you really really do need to have good solid sound biblical reasons for ignoring God .

Not arguing against you, but your law, by which you cause argument among many.

Unless you and your Sabbath are one and the same, and you take it as argument against you.

 

[robert derrick]

thou art a priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek

True. Jesus is the High Priest of His priesthood.

And what that has to do with low Catholic priests in the Catholic religion, I don't know.

Jesus Christ is High priest of His holy priesthood, of which all His believers are made priests and kings to God.

 

[robert derrick]

careful. You are speaking of your brothers and sisters here. Oh, and the millions of Sabbath keepers through modem history, many of whom were martyred for their faith, and the millions who are currently of that mind. You are letting your emotions run away with you and your frontal lobe has gone AWOL.

And I'll ask once more.

I reject the Sabbath as law of Christ, nor as commandment of God for Christians to obey, and so I do not keep any Sabbath whatsoever by law.

And I am your brother or sister, even as you insist I treat you as such?

 

[Brakelite]

Not arguing against you, but your law, by which you cause argument among many.

Unless you and your Sabbath are one and the same, and you take it as argument against you.

Not my law, nor my Sabbath. Your argument is with God.

 

[amigo de christo]

Christ did not replace david
And the church did not replace Israel

Heresy!

exactly sister . Christains are both believing jews and believing gentiles .
Its all israel that is not of israel . The unbelievers were cut out of the tree . Only the believers , both jew and gentile believer
are in the tree . There was always a remnant of Israel that looked for the savoir . And now even the gentiles who do beleive
are grafted into the tree . We didnt replace anything , we became part of it . The promise unto Abraham
was always about JESUS CHRIST the true seed . Who would bring together as one , both believing jews and gentiles .
SO LET THE KING BE PRAISED . And no matter what , never believe the tales of the R double C or the R C square .
Whichever term you prefer it all spells out the same .

 

[amigo de christo]

Let all that has breath praise the glorious wonderous Lord .

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Post# 852

exactly sister

Um, doesn’t @Eternally Grateful ’s profile say “male”?

 

[CharismaticLady]

The whole law has not yet been fulfilled. The day of atonement is not complete. Christ hasn't left the sanctuary. The Feast of Tabernacles hasn't been celebrated. That's in the new earth. So this fulfillment you're speaking of, sorry, Christ has only fulfilled Passover, first fruits, and pentecost. They were the spring festivals that Christ met. The autumn festivals beginning with feast of trumpets are not complete. A way to go yet

So then you must keep all the festivals if that law has not been fulfilled.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The whole law has not yet been fulfilled. The day of atonement is not complete. Christ hasn't left the sanctuary. The Feast of Tabernacles hasn't been celebrated. That's in the new earth. So this fulfillment you're speaking of, sorry, Christ has only fulfilled Passover, first fruits, and pentecost. They were the spring festivals that Christ met. The autumn festivals beginning with feast of trumpets are not complete. A way to go yet

So Jesus did not fulfill the day of atonement?

funny since he said it was finished,

 

[CharismaticLady]

And so, you say 'OSAS' is a myth, in that they who hold this acronym excuse sin by grace.

Is this correct?

Unfortunately, yes. But those who don't use OSAS as an excuse to sin may be okay. You see we DO have assurance for those who do as Christ commanded and abide in Him.

1 John 3:18-24
18 My little children, let us not love in word or in tongue, but in deed and in truth. 19 And by this we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before Him. 21 Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence toward God. 22 And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight. 23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment. 24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

Now there is a reason they are able to keep His commandments, and that is that they truly repented and have received the Holy Spirit. Many in the church have not and are still carnal. I was for 30 years until I finally truly repented, and now that I have received the Spirit, I can hear His voice and only pray what He tells me to pray, and, therefore, ALL OF MY PRAYERS ARE ANSWERED. That seems to be the "test."

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Unfortunately, yes. But those who don't use OSAS as an excuse to sin may be okay. You see we DO have assurance for those who do as Christ commanded and abide in Him.

1 John 3:18-24
18 My little children, let us not love in word or in tongue, but in deed and in truth. 19 And by this we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before Him. 21 Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence toward God. 22 And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight. 23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment. 24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

Now there is a reason they are able to keep His commandments, and that is that they truly repented and have received the Holy Spirit. Many in the church have not and are still carnal. I was for 30 years until I finally truly repented, and now that I have received the Spirit, I can hear His voice and only pray what He tells me to pray, and, therefore, ALL OF MY PRAYERS ARE ANSWERED. That seems to be the "test."

If, while attempting to be justified by Christ, I am found to be a sinner is God a minister of sin?

Paul answers this in Gal 2

what was his answer?

 

[theefaith]

Christ did not replace david
And the church did not replace Israel

Heresy!

Explain those verses then

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Explain those verses then

How about you explain how david was ever greater than Jesus

and how the body of Christ was a nation of sinners who rejected Gods provision having to be removed from their land 3 different times