Jesus Is Our Truth, Reward, And Faithfulness So We Can Lie, Steal, and Fornicate?

[Eternally Grateful]

Are you kidding?

I wasn't on the mount when Christ did his sermon there either, but what he preached was for me and everyone else.

Bizzare

Again, I asked you was you dispersed from the land God promised you because you sinned?

Peter wrote to those dispersed,

can you ever answer a question?

 

[CharismaticLady]

It kills those who obey the law?

Those who keep the letter of the law have fallen from grace.

 

[CharismaticLady]

If sin can separate us from God.

Jesus failed.

He either paid the penalty of sin. or he did not. If he did not. You will not make it to heaven. You will die in your sin.

Period.

Think of it as Jesus said. The truth shall set you free. Jesus frees us FROM SIN. He takes it away from our nature and makes us new creatures in Christ. It is becoming born again. It is an experience and it is supernatural. All that have been born again have had this experience. Those who still desire to sin have never been born again.

Understand now?

 

[CharismaticLady]

What are you talking about? Always trying to confuse the issue, lol. Let me try again, look up the 10 commandments, go to number 4, and read it. Simple.

I asked what New Covenant commandment and you answer with the Old Covenant commandments. Have you ever heard of the New Covenant commandments? Hint, they were not engraved in stone. 2 Cor. 3:6-11; Galatians 4:22- 36

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Think of it as Jesus said. The truth shall set you free. Jesus frees us FROM SIN. He takes it away from our nature and makes us new creatures in Christ. It is becoming born again. It is an experience and it is supernatural. All that have been born again have had this experience. Those who still desire to sin have never been born again.

Understand now?

Yes he does

but he saved us from the penalty of sin.

if I can be condemned by sin again, I am not saved.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Yes he does

but he saved us from the penalty of sin.

if I can be condemned by sin again, I am not saved.

What penalty does an innocent person receive? If you don't sin anymore because you obey your new nature, you are indeed saved.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Yes he does

but he saved us from the penalty of sin.

if I can be condemned by sin again, I am not saved.

"Yes he does" what? You are not being clear.

 

[theefaith]

Sabbath keepers by law are also carnally-minded proselytizers, who pose fellowship or preach Jesus with the sole purpose of recruiting to their Sabbath, and they must ostracize them that remain unconvinced and obey not the Sabbath law.

It is necessary for them to do so, even as Paul commands us to not keep company with them that call themselves Christian and yet are open fornicators. So it would have to be with those who openly defy the Sabbath, if indeed the Sabbath were law of God, just as Nehemiah did by brute force to enforce the Sabbath by the law of Moses. Which was a good work then, but a pernicious and carnal work now.

They will wait a while with the new believer, of course, so as not to run them off, which is an old carnal business trick of the world, but sooner or later they must lay down the real law of their faith: the Saturday-only Sabbath keeping, and if the target does not submit to their rule, then they of course are cast aside as unworthy.

In their recruitment model they 'profusely love' the new recruit only long enough to convince of Sabbath keeping. All such churches do likewise that command carnal ordinances that separate them as really special. Islamists do the same. In the end, they only pose love of neighbor in order to get them into their faith of Sabbath.

It's called soul-getting, not soul winning. They are go-getters for the Sabbath. It's all the work of a carnal mind that commands obedience to a carnal commandment, that no longer is commanded by God, but only by men. They give lip service to the name of Jesus only to recruit in the name of Sabbath:

"This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men." (Matthew 15)

Not to mention tithes

 

[theefaith]

It will be

Again, the greek word their is Ethnos. from hence we get our word ethnicity.

That nation is not the church, for the church is a body of many ethnos. not one

but it was given to the church by Christ
Matt 16:18 keys of the kingdom
Also seek ye first the kingdom
John came preaching the kingdom is at hand
Christ said the kingdom has come
Christ is king Lk 1:32-33
You’re unstuck mate

 

[TheslightestID]

What does that have to do with what he said?

yes he did say that I admitted that

land he required perfection if we want to be saved by following the commands, (those are Moses words which Paul confirmed in Gal 3)

who has lived that standard?

the guy said he did, Jesus told him to sell all he had

so when the guy walked away, did he confirm he did not keep the commands as he said, or did he confirm he was a liar or at the most decieved in thinking he did?

Nothing has changed, that is still your interpretation.

Jesus told him to keep the commandment, and he told him he did, and of course since we are all sinners, I personally understand that to mean he did as well as expected, as well as anyone, the reason the sacrifice system was developed, and if he messed up he did the usual sacrifice for the time and moved on.

At least my assumption is biblical, while you have completely made yours up.

 

[TheslightestID]

Again, I asked you was you dispersed from the land God promised you because you sinned?

Peter wrote to those dispersed,

can you ever answer a question?

No, now there is you answer, and it changes nothing of what I said.

 

[TheslightestID]

I asked what New Covenant commandment and you answer with the Old Covenant commandments. Have you ever heard of the New Covenant commandments? Hint, they were not engraved in stone. 2 Cor. 3:6-11; Galatians 4:22- 36

Let's try this from another angle, what did you want me to answer?

I say follow the comnandment, or number 4 of ten, what would you have me follow?

And what does your scripture have to do with any of this? That says nothing about doing away with tbe commandments.

Bizzare.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

What penalty does an innocent person receive? If you don't sin anymore because you obey your new nature, you are indeed saved.

if we say we have no sin we deceive ourself

How can I have eternal life. If I am deceived if I say I am sinless. And if as you say, If I sin I no longer have life.

This is conditional life my friend

 

[Eternally Grateful]

but it was given to the church by Christ
Matt 16:18 keys of the kingdom
Also seek ye first the kingdom
John came preaching the kingdom is at hand
Christ said the kingdom has come
Christ is king Lk 1:32-33
You’re unstuck mate

that's no an ethnos my friend.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Nothing has changed, that is still your interpretation.

Jesus told him to keep the commandment, and he told him he did, and of course since we are all sinners, I personally understand that to mean he did as well as expected, as well as anyone, the reason the sacrifice system was developed, and if he messed up he did the usual sacrifice for the time and moved on.

At least my assumption is biblical, while you have completely made yours up.

Deuteronomy 27:26
‘Cursed is the one who does not confirm all the words of this law by observing them.’ “And all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’ ”

Galatians 3:10
For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.”

James 2:10
For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.

The law required perfection.

Jesus proved to the man, He did not obey every word (he broke at minimum the first comand by loving his money more than God and you can say he loved it more than his neighbor also

So. By definition. The man was a law breaker. and as such. Cursed by that law. So he was UNABLE to justify himself.

which is what Jesus tried to tell him

Deny it all you want. It will not make your denial the truth

 

[Eternally Grateful]

No, now there is you answer, and it changes nothing of what I said.

Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ,

To the pilgrims of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, 2 elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ:

This is who Peter was written to. So in context. THis was written to them

so unless you can tell me where YOU or I was ever dispersed, What you are saying is in error. No matter how you try to spin it.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

but it was given to the church by Christ
Matt 16:18 keys of the kingdom
Also seek ye first the kingdom
John came preaching the kingdom is at hand
Christ said the kingdom has come
Christ is king Lk 1:32-33
You’re unstuck mate

once again

to all those who say the church is a nation

Was the church promised land. Was it promised to live in peace. Was it promised to be spared from its enemies if they obey. Was it threated to be scattered and have their high places destroyed if they disobey?

Can you show me where this is promised to the church?

 

[Corlove13]

"Sabbath is a way of life (Heb 4:3; 9-11). It is simply "casting all your anxiety on Him," to find that in actual fact " He cares for you" (1 Peter 5:7). It is USING the keys to the Kingdom to receive the resources for abundant living and ministering."

Dallas Willard

 

[Corlove13]

We do not keep the Moral law by trying to keep it.....

We TRUST Jesus for say over everything...
It's about cleansing your heart...
Character, atitude change being learners.
For when the heart is good the deeds are too...
And that is how the Law is upheld
First make the inside clean and the outside will be as well...

Or
First make the tree good and its fruit will be

 

[theefaith]

that's no an ethnos my friend.

Loony tunes now